User talk:Alex 21/Archive 47

The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power
Thank you for attempting to keep the peace, unfortunately this is not the first time at this article that I've had to deal with this sort of thing. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:12, 17 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Oh, I've got no doubt. I've had the page on my watchlist for years and often read the discussions; I tend to get the vibe of fans who want to distance the show from Tolkein's works, despite whatever the sources say. I've also personally had issues with the editor in concern myself. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 09:19, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

You (season 5)
Due to the Hollywood double strike, it cannot premiere this year as filming has just begun. Courtesy, Variety. Kailash29792 (talk)  05:47, 26 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Okay? I don't believe I've said anything contrary. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 05:48, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Star Trek: Prodigy
Hey, do you have any thoughts on what to do with season 2 being released early by a French broadcaster? I'm mostly unsure how we should be handling the dates in the episode table and the dates/network in the series overview table. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:00, 28 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I did see your post at the Wikiproject and completely forgot to respond. It's so annoying, this sort of release. I think we keep the dates entirely US, keep the Season 2 table and credits with the French sources but with TBA dates in the table and overview, and include it as a note in the date column (and maybe change the header to "Original US release date"?). It's kinda like Anne with an E Season 2, which released in full on Netflix before the Canadian release, but we stick with the latter. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 11:14, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Cool, I was thinking of something like that but wasn't sure what sort of precedent was being set. Thanks for the response :) adamstom97 (talk) 11:25, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Episode Summary/Synopsis Restoration?
Hello. I was rather astounded to see so many TV series episode summaries/synopses removed with the mass retitling of articles that appear to be listed in your "sandbox/NCTV" section. I was also surprised that they are not even viewable from the history of either the articles or the original titles, now made redirects. Your comment "clean-up will likely need to proceed as soon as possible after this (as, for example, episode summaries won't be viewable on season articles)" from March 25th suggests it is temporary, or is such a massive removal of these summaries and synopses now permanent, and as near as I can tell, done with little discussion other than just being part of an agreed upon mass article retitling? Surely something this big wasn't done so nonchalantly, and is only a temporary side-effect of the move, right? Thanks.98.97.5.175 (talk) 12:36, 30 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Sorry, found this a bit late for the above, so I guess that means the restoration is imminent. Still, I'll be pacing back and forth until the content comes back.98.97.5.175 (talk) 12:47, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The summaries are still there, they are just temporarily hidden until the table codes get updated to match the new article titles. - adamstom97 (talk) 12:51, 30 March 2024 (UTC)


 * (I guess being called a stalker can be a good thing? ) Glad to hear that, though as I wrote the above, kinda answered my own question and wanted some reassurances. The changes without an obvious trace gave me a "Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia" feeling, kinda like Beverly Crusher that one time.98.97.5.175 (talk)
 * I have responded at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television). Yes, it is a temporary situation; please do not assume bad faith. Cheers. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 02:37, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm a Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here! (Australian season 10)
Can you please add I'm a Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here! (Australian season 10) to your NCTV sandbox, so it can be moved to I'm a Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here! (Australian TV series) season 10? I created the article I'm a Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here! (Australian season 10). Yours sincerely, Bas (or TechGeek105) (talk to me) 11:01, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @TechGeek105 ✅ The NCTV sandbox moves have all been completed, so I moved this one manually. Cheers. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 11:03, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Futurama (season 8) episodes


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Moving categories
Re: through, please: Thanks. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 14:19, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 1) move all the pages categorized in the old category to the new category
 * 2) leave redirects from the old to the new


 * This is what I've done, yes, example.
 * Is there a need for redirects?
 * -- Alex_ 21 TALK 14:30, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Why are redirects needed? They just pollute the search results when I'm searching for incorrect titles. Any fix should not be based on the old style. Gonnym (talk) 15:25, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * If there are no more links to the old cats, then I suppose they can be deleted, but that is a rare occurrence from what I've seen, and at the very least take some work to accomplish. Also, leaving #Rs is more user-friendly for those not aware of the transition.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  15:51, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Re: Cat-a-lot: if you move too quickly between categories, it will skip over pages with no warning. You need to refresh the old category after a Cat-a-lot move to confirm that the old cat is emptied. 57 pages were not moved from seasons 3, 4, 5, 6.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  16:05, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I've added the list to CfD speedy requests. Don't waste your time manually doing this when a bot can do this in two days (or sooner if the admins there decide). Gonnym (talk) 16:07, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah, I didn't realize that there were pages skipped, my bad. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 22:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Help moving a page
Hello, I was wondering if you could help me rename my article. I would like to move the article Backrooms (web series) to Backrooms. Is there a way to move it to that title in a way that I’m still credited as the page creator. A couple of my articles last year were moved to redirect pages and because of that, I am no longer credited as their page creator. The person who made the redirects are now credited as page creator. The reason I want to change the title is because there are no articles in main space with the title “Backrooms”, I don’t think my article should need “(web series)” if there are no other articles with that title. If you can help I would really appreciate it. Key limes (talk) 02:49, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @Key limes is an undisambiguated title, and should redirect to Back room (a disambiguation page), while Backrooms (web series) should stay where it is. Whoever is credited as "page creator" is really irrelevant, as Wikipedia is a collaborative effort. --  Alex_ 21 TALK 04:48, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Empire of Death
Hello, and thanks for creating Empire of Death (Doctor Who). I notice that Empire of Death redirects there. There are two other uses for disambiguation: Do you think we might pull the four entries into a disambiguation page at Empire of Death, rather than a set index? Or should the set index be a third entry in the dab page instead? Thanks, Wikishovel (talk) 08:51, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * List of criminal organizations in DC Comics
 * Paul Koudounaris


 * @Wikishovel Absolutely, I wasn't aware of those two situations, so thank you for bringing them up. I'll convert the whole thing to a disambig page. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 09:24, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Hawaii Five-0 season infoboxes
Hey, I figure you know the infoboxes better than I do. The season infoboxes for Hawaii Five-0 aren't automatically linking properly between seasons after the title changes. Am I just missing something? I thought it may have been something to do with the disambiguation in the middle at first, but MacGyver and Magnum P.I. season infoboxes are working as intended. The Doctor Who (talk) 21:42, 21 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Tagging @Gonnym in this. After some debugging, Hawaii Five-0 (2010 TV series) season # is trying to pull the next season's link as Hawaii Five-(#+1) (2010 TV series) season (#+1), so it's replacing all numbers in the show's title with the next/previous season number. I feel like this is an issue with Module:Infobox television season name, specifically getArticleTitleAndPipedLink. Thoughts? -- Alex_ 21 TALK 10:56, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Should be fixed now. Let me know if other issues arise. Gonnym (talk) 15:28, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * season 9 still isn't linking to season 10. Everything else is working, including 9 to 8 and 10 to 9. The Doctor Who  (talk) 16:09, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @TheDoctorWho hopefully fixed now. Gonnym (talk) 16:34, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Fixed for me. Thank you so much! The Doctor Who  (talk) 16:36, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

British Television Viewing Figures
Hiiii, me again. Hoping you have a moment to help me understand some data. I setup a ratings table similar to what has been used on recent DW articles at Line of Duty series 4 (I used Doctor Who series 10 as a starting point for myself). I'll use Episode 6 as an example, I have a source stating that it was viewed by 7.5 million overnight. Meanwhile, BARB gives me consolidated figures at 9.82 million and 28-day data at 10.4 million. From what it appears to me, shouldn't the Total viewers = Overnight + Consolidated? And if so should total viewers be less than 28-day viewers? Because 7.5 + 9.82 = 17.32 (total) which is greater than 10.4 and didn't quite make sense to me. I don't edit many articles for British shows though, especially not when it comes to viewing figures, so I'm not sure if I'm just interpreting it wrong? The Doctor Who (talk) 05:05, 28 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Happy to help! Let's take a look at Episode 6. There were 7.5M overnight viewers, and 9.82M viewers within 7 days. That means there were 2.32M consolidated viewers (9.82-7.5), so the values for Viewers / Consolidated / Total / 28-day should be 7.5 / 2.32 / 9.82 / 10.4. So, to answer you, is correct, and should total viewers be less than 28-day viewers is correct. Hope that helps! --  Alex_ 21 TALK 05:27, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah, got it. Was quite literally just doing my math backwards because I was plugging the number from Barb into the wrong field here (which I only did because the names were the same). Thank you so much! The Doctor Who  (talk) 05:43, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

The Boys season 4 characters
Doesn't the fact that a character appears in the trailer count as official/verified??? As Also Ashley and Ezekiel Marco camino 10 (talk) 21:41, 5 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Marco camino 10 No, you need to provide a secondary source per WP:V and WP:RS. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 07:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

TV show season article titles
I just noticed that this move has been done. I asked some questions about the old convention using parentheses in 2020 which led to you reviving the discussion a little while later, and I also saw your involvement in the recent RFC. I wanted to thank you for carrying the torch on this issue! That's been bugging me for so long and I think it's good that it changed. --superioridad (discusión) 21:00, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Happy to help! It's something I'd been hoping would happen for a while. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 21:12, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Stranger Things season 5
I have another question, because Jeff Sneider is not a source for the title of the episodes of Stranger Things but in the Marvel articles, yes? I hope you answer, thank you :) Marco camino 10 (talk) 20:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * YouTube is not a source, is what I'm saying. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 21:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks :) Marco camino 10 (talk) 21:41, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Episode table and parts color
If a TV season has official story arc titles listed as separated part headers, do they all need to be a single attributed color or can they split colors per part? GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 05:59, 12 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @GalaxyFighter55 The standard practice is both, based upon whether it's an actual part (as opposed to a mid-season break) and separate posters. If there's separate posters, typically we split the parts by the primary colour of the poster; e.g. List of Heroes episodes Season 3. Sometimes they can be the same; e.g. List of Stranger Things episodes Season 4. Sometimes, articles have a combination of both; e.g. List of Futurama episodes Season 6/7 then Season 8. It's realistically up to the editor implementing it. Hope that helps! -- Alex_ 21 TALK 06:07, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Word counts on script-plotlength.js
Can you re-check your script if it has some bugs? When I use it to know the total word count of each episode summaries of Death's Game it exceed by one word. See my diff and this other user's diff.  98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂  •  [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]   12:06, 12 May 2024 (UTC)


 * This script is only means as a guide and unfortunately won't be perfect. The script simply likely has a different word-counting method than Word does; one word difference is a minimal separation. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 12:17, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

script-plotlength.js
Hi Alex... was trying to use your (very handy!) plot length script on From (TV series) and it didn't seem to be working—I just get a blank pop up instead of the plot length summary like it used to generate. If you have a chance, can you take a look? I'm wondering if maybe the changes you would have had to have made to the episode templates to accommodate the recent TV series naming convention change may have b0rked it? —Joeyconnick (talk) 19:02, 5 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Joeyconnick Hey! Happy to help. I tested the script on that particular article and it seems to work for me - this is the result. There may be an error with the script through another browser (especially with the recent changes) - could I ask you to open your browser console (typically the F12 key), run the script, then see if any errors pop up and paste them here (or screenshot)? Cheers. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 07:18, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks Alex... I'm on the latest Chrome on macOS Sonoma 14.4.1.
 * Here's a screenshot of my console (after running the script).
 * And here's a look at my results when I run it (in dark mode). Empty results.
 * Just tried it on another page with episode summaries: The Flash season 1... same issue. —Joeyconnick (talk) 19:37, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That's weird. No errors, and it works on the Flash article for me as well. I'll have to take a deep look into it over the weekend. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 21:14, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Definitely no rush or pressure. —Joeyconnick (talk) 23:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * So... this is embarrassing... I was trying to use the script while editing the page(s) in question. When I run them on the page in view mode, i.e. before hitting "Edit source", it works as expected. I assume that's the expected behaviour? —Joeyconnick (talk) 17:45, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh, absolutely! The scripts determines the length of the plots are they appear rendered on the screen, rather than how they appear through wikitext. You can then preview any edits you make, and the script will work on the previewed rendering of the plots as well. Looks like that's one thing off my ToDo list then. --  Alex_ 21 TALK 02:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

On this note... I just used the script over on Rogue (Doctor Who) and it returned a plot length of 1096 words. However, when I edit the plot section section, show the preview, and run the script again, it calculates the length properly. I used to be able to run it properly without previewing the plot section directly. Not too hard to do, but just thought I'd mention it in case it was unintentional. I haven't checked to see if it's limited to that page yet. The Doctor Who (talk) 06:25, 9 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @TheDoctorWho Cheers, I've been able to fix that now. (Still not sure why it's not running for other editors, unfortunately.) -- Alex_ 21 TALK 06:41, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

"The Doctors (Doctor Who)" listed at Redirects for discussion
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The sort categories alphabetically script does not work
I tried reinstalling it but when I click "Sort categories" it does nothing. The only thing that works is the edit summary. Turtletennisfogwheat (talk) 07:27, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Running time of episodes
Any clues as to why you deleted my helpful insertion of running times of episodes? When episode lengths are different it’s useful to know of these.. 2A00:23CC:D214:101:78EB:3A02:842B:4A7F (talk) 22:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

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DYK for The Devil's Chord
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DYK for Boom (Doctor Who)
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Promotional images for Doctor Who episodes
Hi there, I noticed you uploaded promotional images for Space Babies and the Devil's Chord. However, you previously removed the promotional posters for all episodes in Series 9 and 10, and I wanted to clarify what policy you used as a basis for those as opposed to the new photos, as I would like to see those seasons with infobox images as well. Flabshoe1 (talk) 23:07, 18 May 2024 (UTC)


 * As far as I can recall, those "promotional posters" across those episodes where actually simply screenshots of the episodes, as randomly chosen by an editor - those are not promotional posters. These are actually promotional posters, created released to promote each episode individually, exactly the same as every episode of Series 7 (bar "A Town Called Mercy", which adds contextual significance). -- Alex_ 21 TALK 03:51, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, that makes sense to avoid random screenshots. However, I notice that many of the images removed were not screenshots but actually specially made promotional posters made for the individual episode, while other promotional posters from the era still remain.
 * Pages with promotional posters:
 * S8E2-E9, S8E12
 * S9E2, S9E8, S9E12
 * "The Husbands of River Song" and "The Return of Doctor Mysterio"
 * Pages missing promotional posters:
 * S8E1 "Deep Breath" poster
 * S8E10 "In the Forest of the Night" poster
 * S8E11 "Dark Water" poster
 * Special "Last Christmas" poster
 * S9E1 "The Magician's Apprentice poster
 * S9E3 "Under the Lake poster
 * S9E5 "The Girl Who Died" poster
 * S9E6 "The Woman Who Lived" poster
 * S9E7 "The Zygon Invasion" poster
 * S9E9 "Sleep No More" poster
 * S9E10 "Face the Raven" poster
 * S9E11 "Heaven Sent" poster
 * S10E2 "Smile" poster
 * S10E3 "Thin Ice" poster
 * S10E5 "Oxygen" poster
 * S10E6 "Extremis" poster
 * S10E7 "The Pyramid at the End of the World" poster
 * S10E8 "The Lie of the Land" poster
 * S10E9 "Empress of Mars" poster
 * S10E10 "The Eaters of Light" poster
 * S10E11 "World Enough and Time" poster
 * S10E12 "The Doctor Falls" poster
 * For the pages missing their promotional posters, I can go ahead and reupload them. Flabshoe1 (talk) Flabshoe1 (talk) 00:41, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * See, now there's a difference. Those are promotional images, which, yes, are released for every episode as part of the weekly marketing, and typically released with a multitude of other similar pictures (example), of which we would have to (again) pick one at random. They are not, however, promotional posters. One could look at any of those images for S8/S9/S10 randomly, and not be able to identify which episode is was released for. Do you see a difference between the S7 and S14 posters (here is the rest of S14's), and those images? Each poster immediately identifies the episode. "The Husbands of River Song" is a promotional image (and yes, should therefore be removed); "The Return of Doctor Mysterio" is absolutely a promotional poster. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 08:24, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I argue that each poster is immediately identifiable to the specific episode as it contains elements exclusive to each episode, even lacking the accompanying text. Additionally, the poster is clearly differentiated from the other screenshots/images, as they are heavily edited with all the cast together posing, showing that rather than an image of a random scene it is a specially designed poster. Flabshoe1 (talk) 13:27, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * These are clearly not posters. They don't have the text that is expected to appear on a poster, they aren't in the typical poster shape, and they are very obviously promo shoot pictures which is a whole separate thing. - adamstom97 (talk) 13:48, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 1. "Typical poster shape". The accepted posters for all episodes in Series 7 are in the same shape (example: Asylum of the Daleks) so this has no bearing on the discussion.
 * 2. "Obviously promo shoot pictures". The only thing that distinguishes these from other posters is the lack of text. For example, the accepted cover of Twice Upon a Time was initially released textless as a promotional image for the episode marketing just like these photos, but later used with text. Would you argue that this is a promo shoot picture and not a poster then? They are not wholly separate things as you say, but rather the same minus text.
 * I understand that these posters lack text, but that is the only distinguishing factor. In every other way, the photos are specially designed posters for each episode that immediately identify them. Flabshoe1 (talk) 14:12, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The two examples you provided have been turned into posters. The other ones you provided have not. - adamstom97 (talk) 14:30, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I would like to back up adamstom here if you look at the text less poster for TUaT, you cant identify it as being that without already knowing the episode. Compare that with say Nightmare in Silver which has a poster which says "Nightmare in Silver" therefore being easily identifiable. I tried at random selecitng a promo image and identifing it knowing the episodes and I only got 3/5 of them. Some of these with prior knowledge you could guess like Smile, but Heaven sent is just a room. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 17:57, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Would you argue that this is a promo shoot picture and not a poster then? They are not wholly separate things as you say, but rather the same minus text. Absolutely. The textless image would simply be a promotional picture. The BBC then using it with text to directly advertise the episode, as it is currently used in the article, makes it a promotional poster. So yes, it's the text that makes the image/poster identifiable to the episode, as it means it is directly advertising that episode, rather than being a singular promo image out of another dozen. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 21:14, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Makes sense to me, thanks for explaining it clearly and concisely. Flabshoe1 (talk) 13:58, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Tagging in this discussion, where I provided clarity on what a promotional poster is. --  Alex_ 21 TALK 00:59, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

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Precious anniversary
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