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This is a notify test
Hi,, this message is a test to check the notifying template across wikis. If you see it, please respond below. Alexandre Hocquet (talk) 16:53, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Scientific communities
I saw your edit to scientific method. You may be interested in Ludwik Fleck's description of denkkollektiv, from (1935) Genesis and Development of a Scientific Fact, translated from German into English in 1976. Fleck's 'denkkollektiv' (thought collectives) are Scientific communities in which facts are constructed social concepts. --Ancheta Wis   (talk  &#124; contribs) 08:46, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Copying licensed material requires attribution
Hi. I see in a recent addition to Computational Chemistry List you included material from a webpage that is available under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License. That's okay, but you have to give attribution so that our readers are made aware that you copied the prose rather than wrote it yourself. I've added the attribution for this particular instance. Please make sure that you follow this licensing requirement when copying from compatibly-licensed material in the future. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 22:31, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks Diannaa, it was actually the purpose of the "Academic peer reviewed" template I had added at the beginning of the references list. Alexandre Hocquet (talk) 22:35, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not following you. It looks like the content was copied from that article to Wikipedia, not the other way around. So attribution is required. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 22:41, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Indeed Diannaa. I did add this template to notify that the Wikipedia article is directly imported from the academic paper. You should have a glance at the article talk page to check the process. It is based on the "Wikipedia_articles_published_in_peer-reviewed_literature" policy and an example is Circular permutation in proteins. Note that I'm ok with your changes, I just want to explain what I've been doing.Alexandre Hocquet (talk) 22:56, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * You need to say the material was copied. The way I did it is correct and the way you did it is wrong, so sorry. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 22:58, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure it is and I believe we should discuss it and reach consensus Diannaa. You seem to prefer to shoot and then talk. What is, according to you, the difference between Circular permutation in proteins and Computational Chemistry List that justifies a difference in template ? (Also, shouldn't we discuss it on the talk page of the article itself so that the people interested in the improvement of the article can join? Alexandre Hocquet (talk) 23:08, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Circular permutation in proteins was copied from Wikipedia to an external place; your copying was in the opposite direction. That's what justifies the difference in the direction the attribution must go. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 23:12, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Nope Diannaa, this is the other way around. Circular permutation in proteins was copied to Wikipedia from Plos. Please check Talk:Circular permutation in proteins and this blog post about the process to understand the procedure. If you're convinced, please cancel your revert, and if you are not, I'm happy to further discuss it. Alexandre Hocquet (talk) 23:41, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, you are wrong. You copied from an article published elsewhere, did you not? Adding a template that says the opposite is inappropriate and incorrect. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 00:06, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I can see why you think that template is okay for this instance. But think about these points please: (1) Your template does not specify that the material is released under license, and does not specify what that license is. (2) Only part of the article appears in both places. (3) Both Wikipedia and people who re-use the content elsewhere online are obligated under the terms of the license to state which license the content is released under, and include a link to the license. The license states: "Attribution — You must give appropriate credit, provide a link to the license, and indicate if changes were made." — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 00:28, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * OK Diannaa, I believe there is a huge misunderstanding here, and I am continuing this discussion on Talk:Computational Chemistry List because I believe it is of interest to all the contributors watchlisting it Alexandre Hocquet (talk) 05:15, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

On WP
You may have seen them before, but I have often found Omer Benjakob's articles about WP (Haaretz) interesting. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:17, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks . I wasn't aware of this work. I came across this piece and I am putting it in my to-read list. Thanks for pointing this out.Alexandre Hocquet (talk) 16:31, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

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