User talk:Alexturnbull23

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Speedy deletion nomination of William Turnbull (Artist)
A tag has been placed on William Turnbull (Artist) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

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Alex Turnbull
If you are, indeed, the real Alex Turnbull, you should not be editing articles of which you are a subject. If you are not Alex Turnbull, you should not be impersonating him. In either case, your edits are highly problematic. I suggest you stop. ---  RepublicanJacobite  The'FortyFive' 14:13, 14 June 2010 (UTC)


 * the above comment is not quite correct, for, as it says in our policy WP:COI, you may edit, provided you do so objectively. It is not advised, because experience shows that a person will have great difficulty writing an objective article about themselves. If you think you can do it right according to the guidelines, do so.
 * To use the material here, you must explicitly license the rights to the material according to our licensing using the CC-BY-SA and the GNU  licenses, as explained in WP:COPYRIGHT and WP:Donating copyrighted materials ; these  give everyone in the world an irrevocable license to reuse and alter the material, even for commercial purposes.
 * However, I do not advise you to do this, but to rewrite the article, using the film and other published material, particularly exhibition catalogs & published 3rd party reviews as a reference: Otherwise the tone will not be encyclopedic and the material will not be suitable. You   need to write like an encyclopedia article, not a press release--don't praise him, say what he has done, emphasising where he has exhibited and what major museums own his work. Don;t give general statements about his style and influences; give the most specific ones you can find, and make sure they are based on references providing substantial coverage from  3rd party independent published reliable sources, print or online, but not blogs or press releases, or material derived from press releases.      DGG ( talk ) 15:18, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

re William Turnbull (Artist) moved to User:Alexturnbull23/William Turnbull (Artist)
Since you are not William Turnbull but rather a relative, and since after all you did produce a documentary on the subject, I have no problem with you writing an article on William Turnbull.

However, the article as it currently stands has some serious problems. I'm sure that all this can be worked out in good time:
 * It's too long. Too much personal info. We are mainly (not exclusively) interested in his works rather than his life.
 * It's not divided into sections.
 * There's no lead.
 * It does not have the somewhat dry and scholarly tone expected of an encyclopedia article.
 * There are no proper references. This is very important, articles must be properly referenced.
 * The assertions and proofs of his notability are scattered and buried throughout the article. Notability is very important (articles that don't prove or at least assert it are removed) and needs to be clearly presented.
 * It looks like it's been pasted from an existing source, although I'm not sure that this is the case. If it has been copied or partly copied from a previously existing published (web or paper) document), we cannot use it, even if you wrote the source document yourself, except under special circumstances (see FAQ/Copyright etc.).
 * It is not "wikified", that is the format of quotes and so forth are not in the usual wiki format.

I'm sure that all that sounds like a great lot, and this is one of the reasons many of our articles are written by practiced editors rather than one-time single-subject experts such as yourself. However, please note that:


 * 1) I want this article to exist since the subject appears to be notable, and
 * 2) I, personally, thank you for contributing this article which I expect will be valuable in future.

And I'm sorry if it appears that you were greeted with rather more objections than praise.

Now. Here is what I am going to do.

I am going to move this article out of public article space and into your private userpace here on Wikipedia. I will do this by renaming William Turnbull (Artist) to User:Alexturnbull23/William Turnbull (Artist) It is in this new location that I propose you and I work on it together. When it is ready to be "published", we will move it back into public article space. OK? Herostratus (talk) 04:36, 15 June 2010 (UTC)


 * OK. I'm not going to work on this article right now, but will on-and-off over the coming days. You do not have to contribute to this, but it would help a lot. A couple of things you could do is work on shortening and toning, sectioning, and looking up references. Cheers, Herostratus (talk) 04:44, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm still here, I haven't forgotten, just been busy. Herostratus (talk) 04:20, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, done. I have edited this page to article quality. However, in the meantime, someone had created a new version of William Turnbull (artist). So I moved our version to William Turnbull (Artist) (note the difference in capitalization and merged in the material from the new article. Eventually someone will perform a history merge and the article under the name William Turnbull (artist) will be the correct article. Cheers, Herostratus (talk) 02:42, 3 July 2010 (UTC)