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question on Latin Patriarch
Hi Alfion!

I noticed you made some changes on the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem page -- generally good for content and style. However, there was one point where you seemed to remove a piece of information. The article originally said this:

"In 1889, the Ottoman Empire allowed the Catholic Church to re-establish its hierarchy in Palestine. "

You replaced it with this:

"The title Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem was restored as a residential office in 1847 for Bishop Joseph Valerga."

Was the 1889 re-establishiment of a full Catholic hierarchy in the area a result of permission given by the Ottoman government, as the article originally stated? If so, it seems to me that that's useful information to keep, as it illustrates the degree of control over religious affairs held by the Ottoman government at that time. --Jfruh 00:40, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I am not very good at this messages thing. Here's trying. My feeling was that the expressions used in the original version were a bit confused, so much so that I cannot really work out what they mean. I lived in Jerusalem and absorbed a bit of the lore. It may be that in 1889 the Ottoman authorities granted some civil status to the Latin Patriarch (millet head or something?), but I thought this sort of thing went back to the mid 1850's and in any case the wording about a hierarchy is not an obvious way to express it. Since the Latin patriarchate is a one-diocese unit (and has no bishops structurally under him), the only thing I can think of is that it means all the Catholic Churches, i.e. also the Catholic Eastern Churches in the area were generally legalized in 1889. But there is no hierarchical structure linking them all. All things considered, I felt that the assertion was more disorientating than informative. Perhaps I was a bit heavy-handed. Sorry. If you are interested in readjusting the text, I will not interfere further. I did not go looking for the article this time, but found it again by chance, so I did not set out to tackle the article specifically, but just reacted.

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