User talk:Alfonse3839

Lane's Stochastics
George Lane published a different formula for Stochastics in an uncopyrighted book in 1998. Can we use it?

Where do you want me to email you a pdf copy of it?

All technical analysis is subjective, how can anything stay up?

Hello,

No the formula published in the "uncopyrighted book" can not be published in Wikipedia, because all Stochastic formula's published by George C. Lane and derivative works are a copyright of George C. Lane and his company. Reproduction is prohibited without his company's consent.

Since technical analysis is subjective I don't know how any technical analysis information could be published in an encyclopedia, and be credited as facts with encyclopedic value. Subjective material in my opinion should not be in an encyclopedia.

AlfonseLaw LLP (talk) 18:48, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Administrators Noticeboard/Incidents
Hello,. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Wuh Wuz  Dat  14:32, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

November 2009
Your account has been blocked from editing Wikipedia because it appears to be mainly intended or used for publicity and/or promotional purposes. Please read the following carefully.

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See also Appealing a block for more information. Toddst1 (talk) 15:29, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * You have been unblocked per your request to be allowed to change username. Please do so as soon as possible to avoid a re-block.  --  X damr  talk 16:05, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

{{tlx|unblock-auto|1=70.173.234.67|2=Autoblocked because your IP address was recently used by "AlfonseLaw LLP". The reason given for AlfonseLaw LLP's block is: Changing username."

AlfonseLaw LLP → Alfonse3839

 * Reason: Change username at administrator request. Syrthiss (talk) 16:44, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Changing username
I would STRONGLY suggest that you go directly to Changing username and change your username. You were unblocked to change your name, not to continue your editing under your current name. Wuh Wuz  Dat  16:59, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Hello, I made the request. Thank you. AlfonseLaw LLP (talk) 17:04, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Then I would suggest that you sign out, and sign back in with your new name, as your edit history still shows you using the old name. Wuh Wuz  Dat  17:08, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

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November 2009
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Stochastic oscillator. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. The edit(s) in question are as follows:, --4wajzkd02 (talk) 17:04, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

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For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. For more details about what, exactly, constitutes a conflict of interest, please see our conflict of interest guidelines. Question: Are you claiming copyright for the work in question? If so, you have a conflict of interest. If not, by what authority do you delete information? --4wajzkd02 (talk) 17:08, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

4wajzkd02, does Wikipedia have a license from George C. Lane and/or his corporation to publish his copyrighted work? The formula for stochastics is protected by US Copyright law. All derivative works are prohibited. I have made modifications to the article so that it states factual information without violating US copyright law.AlfonseLaw LLP (talk) 17:15, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You have been directed to bring your concerns, with clear documentation of your standing, to WP:OTRS, and to not violate Rules regarding edit warring in the interim. Also, if you have a conflict of interest, you should follow the policy provided for disclosure and with respect to further edits. Finally, please note the WP:INDENT and kindly precede subsequent responses with one more colon (":") than the preceding comment (e.g., should you respond to this, your response should have two colons inthe beginning of each paragraph ("::"). Regards, --4wajzkd02 (talk) 17:27, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

WP:OTRS
Rather than edit war on the articles in question, I would suggest that you take your (so far, unsubstantiated) claims of copyright to WP:OTRS and file a ticket there. If your claims are valid, oversight may be used to remove the questionable material from the articles histories. Wuh Wuz  Dat  17:07, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Or in short, email info-en-c@undefinedwikimedia.org. Stifle (talk) 17:10, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the e-mail address to your legal department. I will send a formal e-mail on Monday. Alfonse3839 (talk) 16:39, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for continued editing during period of unblocking for username change before username change went into effect. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest this block by adding the text below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first. Toddst1 (talk) 17:08, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

So far, all of your edits have been removing formulae from Stochastic oscillator, claiming that the formulae are copyrighted. You haven't offered any evidence that the formulae are copyrighted (is it even possible to copyright a mathematical formula?) You haven't responded to the requests from various editors who don't understand your edits and would like you to explain more clearly why you think these formulae are copyrighted. And you don't appear to be interested in volunteering with Wikipedia other than making this specific edit. For those reasons, I'm reluctant to unblock at this time, but I'll leave your request open so another administrator can also review it. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:43, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yahoo! Answers says that, no, math formulas can't be copyrighted. Of course, that doesn't meet Wikipedia's criteria for reliable sources, but I also found this old information page from Berkeley Lab which also says that mathematical formulae are not copyrightable. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:50, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Hello,

Yes, "original works" formulae are protected by US Copyright Law when formulae can be perceived with an aid of a machine or a device. This applies to the stochastic oscillator. Take a look at the picture in the Wikipedia article, the red and blue lines produced by computer software is the result of the formulae/computer source code. The formulae are the proprietary computer source code for the red and blue lines (the "stochastic oscillator"). George C. Lane copyrighted the formulae for the same reason many major software companies such as Microsoft and Apple copyright their source code. Proprietary computer source code for algorithms and formulae are protected by US copyright Law. You can find this information on the US copyright office website located at www.copyright.gov. http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl122.pdf. Title 17 section 102 http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#102 Alfonse3839 (talk) 18:13, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll ask again:
 * What is your standing to make a copyright claim?
 * What is your relationship with George C. Lane?
 * Will you disclose your Conflict of Interest, if any?
 * Please use colons to indent your replies.
 * Thank you, --4wajzkd02 (talk) 18:47, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No need for a questionable copyright claim; when and if the Foundation receives a DMCA takedown notice, the information will be removable. --jpgordon:==( o ) 19:01, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * True. I'm not sure that this user should be unblocked, though. --4wajzkd02 (talk) 19:15, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * As for "The aid of of a machine or a device", as mentioned above, I can utilize my high school math skills from 30 years ago to calculate those simple formulae with pencil and paper, and plot them on graph paper. When any of those are legally considered to be a "machine or device", you may claim these formulae are copyright. Until such time.....sigh....perhaps your alleged legal "expertise" and free time can best be used elsewhere. Wuh  Wuz  Dat  19:44, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

I have no relationship with George C. Lane. I am an attorney who respects proprietary information, invention and US intellectual property law. I was going to donate some of my free time combing through Wikipedia entries for proprietary information that seems to slip through the cracks. This was one of the first articles I found related to financial topics that I am familiar with. I planned on making edits to other articles in my spare time before I was quickly blocked. Alfonse3839 (talk) 19:24, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Pardon, but from your description of yourself as an uninvolved third party, it seems you have no standing to make your copyright claim. I am sure you will properly represent yourself when you contact WP:OTRS. Good luck, --4wajzkd02 (talk) 19:50, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * BTW, "I was going to donate some of my free time combing through Wikipedia entries for proprietary information that seems to slip through the cracks." sounds like it will generate quite a bit of administrator workload. I reiterate my suggestion w.r.t. blocking, and also note this diff from User:70.173.234.67 --4wajzkd02 (talk) 19:57, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Comment from (twice) blocking admin
I'll tell you that usually people like you are perfunctorily unblocked when their username is changed. However, you've presented a different argument.

Your claim that:


 * $$%K = 100 \frac{\text{closing price} - \text{price low}}{\text{price high} - \text{price low}}$$

"are the proprietary computer source code for the red and blue lines (the "stochastic oscillator")" is baloney. That is not source code for any compilable or machine-interpretable computer language that results in red and blue lines - it is the non-proprieteary source code for rendering a mathematical formula. The resulting formula may have been used to create source code in programming languages bit it ain't source code for red and blue lines and the formula itself is not source code.

Given that, I'm granting your unblock request for changing your username, but indefinitely blocking you for your stated intent to continue disruptive editing. Toddst1 (talk) 20:16, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for stated intent to continue disruptive editing. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest this block by adding the text below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first. Toddst1 (talk) 20:22, 14 November 2009 (UTC)