User talk:Algabal

Flanagan
You're welcome. =) I really liked the image; I found it at Ned Rorem's website using google images, but since Ned Rorem is still alive and we have kind of weird Fair use restrictions in images of living persons, I figured I really had better crop it. When I cropped him out I had to crop Virgil Thomson too or it would look weird. But I think the result was still quite nice. Glad you liked it! — coe l acan t a lk  — 14:35, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Helping out with the Unassessed Wikipedia Biographies
Seeing that you are an active member of the WikiBiography Project, I was wondering if you would help lend a hand in helping us clear out the amount of unassessed articles tagged with. Many of them are of stub and start class, but a few are of B or A caliber. Getting a simple assessment rating can help us start moving many of these biographies to a higher quality article. Thank you! --Ozgod 20:07, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

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Richard Gere
As a person who has been involved in the discussion of various rumors related to Richard Gere, I thought you may be interested to know that due to the unwillingness of FNMF to find consensus on this issue I have taken the discussion of the Gere/Crawford letter to the BLP noticeboard. . Please feel free to comment. Sparkzilla 10:20, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your comment. I can't believe I have spent most of today dealing with this issue. It's fun to get a grasp on policy though.


 * BTW, unlike the marriage rumors it is not important that Gere address the gerbil legend for it to be notable. It already has notability in publications about urban legnds. Now it is known that the gerbil urban legend is also not a BLP issue it can be argued for inclusion on the following content grounds: WP:RS - sources are reliable WP:Note - legend is notable and WP:Weight not given undue weight in the article.


 * In the case of significant public figures, there will be a multitude of reliable, third-party published sources to take information from, and Wikipedia biographies should simply document what these sources say. If an allegation or incident is notable, relevant, and well-documented by reliable published sources, it belongs in the article — even if it's negative and the subject dislikes all mention of it. If it is not documented by reliable third-party sources, leave it out. Sparkzilla 16:30, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Sondra Prill
Hi there,

Sorry about the late response. I'll try to email you an MP3 of Sondra Prill's "Nasty Boys", but unfortunately, I'm very busy, so it might be some time before I can send it to you. Thanks for asking nicely though. I appreciate that. :-) Talk to you later. -- Mr. Sinistar 04:27, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Little-known cultural figures
If you have an interest in writing articles abt little-known cultural figures, try your hand at Raynor Heppenstall - a most remarkable writer. (Hope I spelled his name right.) PiCo 06:20, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It appears that he already has one (Rayner Heppenstall), but thank you for the recommendation. He seems quite fascinating. Algabal 07:01, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Biography Summer 2007 Assessment Drive
 WikiProject Biography Summer 2007 Assessment Drive! WikiProject Biography is holding a three month long assessment drive! The goal of this drive is to eliminate the backlog of unassessed articles. The drive is running from June 1, 2007 – September 1, 2007.

Awards to be won range from delicacies such as the WikiCookie to the great Golden Wiki Award. There are over 110,000 articles to assess so please visit the drive's page and help out!

This drive was conceived of and organized by Psychless with the help of Ozgod. Regards,  Psych less Type  words! .

Your opinion would be greatly appreciated
Hello there, I am a fellow member of Wikiproject jazz. I was wondering, if you had a moment to spare, if you would be willing to give your opinion on a matter at Categories for discussion/Log/2007 June 15 concerning a category I created. The category is, and it has been proposed that the article be merged with Musicians of New Orleans and American jazz musicians. This is precisely why I created the category, because it seemed to me the birthplace of jazz music and continous modern symbol of jazz certainly deserves a category unto itself. Regardless of your opinion, I would greatly appreciate your input there so as to have a discussion over the matter. Thanks. (Mind meal 03:24, 15 June 2007 (UTC))

New categories for jazz musicians
Hello fellow member of WikiProject Jazz! I am delivering this message to all members of the project to inform them of a major addition to the evolution of this project. Please see Category:Jazz musicians by genre to familiarize yourselves with the new categories for jazz musicians. Most of the genre categories contain sub-genres in their drop-down menus, so be sure to open them up! I am sending this to everyone to speed up the population of these categories. The sub-genres have been carefully researched to ensure they belong under their corresponding "mother genre"! And please, when in doubt do not categorize something via an assumption. Well, that about covers it! Any help in this regard will be greatly appreciated.(Mind meal 05:41, 25 June 2007 (UTC))

Calvin Coolidge
I am not sure what is wrong with the picture that you nominated it for deletion. It is not a copyright violation as far as I can tell, and would most likely not offend someone. Is there any other concerns other the picture?--Manforman 13:04, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It serves no purpose on Wikipedia, as it is a Photoshop used as part of a stupid, unfunny hoax (inserting hoaxes into otherwise normal articles is unacceptable on Wikipedia). It is also not being used as any part of any other article. Algabal 21:55, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yah, I'll just admit it was a hoax.--Manforman 22:38, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Thomas Holley Chivers
Thanks for getting the article for Thomas Holley Chivers started. I'll be adding to it in the next week or two, if you'd like to keep an eye on what I'm doing. What a great focus you have, working on obscure cultural figures! If you get any others started that related to Edgar Allan Poe, feel free to give me a heads-up! I'm thinking Elizabeth Ellett might be a good one. --Midnightdreary 00:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm looking forward to seeing what you do. Chivers was a fascinating character. Who could forget lines like: "Many mellow Cydonian suckets / Sweet apples, / anthosmial, divine, / From the ruby-rimmed beryline buckets / Star-gemmed, lily-shaped, hyaline"? Algabal 01:07, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

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Thomas Holley Chivers
Hello! As the original creator of the Thomas Holley Chivers article, I wanted you to take a look. I think I'm going to end up nominating it for good article in the next day or two but I thought another set of eyes would be helpful first. Would you mind giving it a quick once-over and see if you catch anything? Thanks! --Midnightdreary (talk) 18:53, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Invitation
Hi! maxsch created an RFC for myself User:Florentino floro - Requests for comment/Florentino floro I would appreciate it if you would take a look. Max created this upon message to my adopting parent User:Diligent Terrier here vis-a-vis the pending User:Diligent Terrier/Florentino floro and Maxschmelling (created on 18:38, 18 May 2008 by Diligent Terrier) Thanks.--Florentino floro (talk) 05:25, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Request for clarification
Requests for comment/Florentino floro was deleted on "00:32, 20 July 2008 by Wizardman (Talk | contribs)-("Requests for comment/Florentino floro" ‎ (two people have not certified basis for dispute within 48 hours).
 * I respectfully quote the rules: "In order to remain listed at Requests for comment/User conduct, at least two people need to show that they tried to resolve a dispute with this user and have failed. This must involve the same dispute with a single user, not different disputes or multiple users. The persons complaining must provide evidence of their efforts, and each of them must certify it by signing this page with &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126; . If this does not happen within 48 hours of the creation of this dispute page (which was: 21:29, 17 July 2008 (UTC)), the page will be deleted. The current date and time is:, 29 July 2024 (UTC)."
 * The page, after having been deleted by the administrator was restored, with only ONE certification and endorsement:"Users certifying the basis for this disputeUsers who tried and failed to resolve the dispute.:#TheCoffee (talk) 08:35, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * My question, please: Are not, 2 endorsers required, lest fatal deletion results? Since, after 48 hours, now, more than, per math computation, if I am not mistaken, no 2nd required certification was posted. So, must the Requests for comment/Florentino floro remain or be deleted. Respectfully submitted, awaiting your kind comment. Thanks.--Florentino floro (talk) 10:48, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for you kindness and neutral contributions to settle our dispute. Regards.--Florentino floro (talk) 14:58, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


 * If there is any continuing dispute or controversy, just let me know and I will be happy to contribute my opinion. Don't let these current complaints alienate you from Wikipedia. Algabal (talk) 03:03, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I have placed a response to your position on the talkpage of floro's RFC . With all due respect, if you do not see problems with floro's editing, you aren't looking closely enough. maxsch (talk) 17:56, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

User:Flaminsky vis-a-vis User:Cma and IP address of Max
Thanks for your message on my talk page.

Request for enlightenment on the interpretation of Wiki rules
Question: Is a case of Suck puppetry the proper mode of action here? Please do answer this query.
 * Sock puppetry The general rule is: one editor, one account. Do not use multiple accounts to create the illusion of greater support for an issue, to mislead others, to artificially stir up controversy, to aid in disruption, or to circumvent a block.User:Flaminsky = User:Cma
 * Circumventing policy - Sock puppets may not be used to circumvent any Arbitration Committee or community sanctions, including blocks, bans, and probations. Evading sanctions will cause the timer to restart, and may lengthen the duration of the sanctions.
 * Meatpuppet is a Wikipedia term of art meaning one who edits on behalf of or as proxy for another editor.User:Flaminsky
 * Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets If you think that someone is using sockpuppets and wish to get further people's comments on the matter, you should create a report at Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets and follow the instructions there.

Who is User:Cma?/Dom/Dominique Gerald Cimafranca
User:Flaminsky, deleted due to vandalism, created User:Cma. Who is Flaminsky and Cma? This is answered by Cma's edit of link: - which clearly and unequivocally showed that Cma is: Filipino Wikipedian and blogger:Dominique Gerald Cimafranca or "Dom" Village Idiot Savant | Web site: http://www.sketches.kom.ph, Dumaguete City, Philippines Before joining IBM, Dominique worked with Digital Equipment Corporation as a firewall and Internet consultant. He has been involved in customer engagements in over 18 countriesThe Camel and the Snake, or "Cheat the Prophet", Open source development with Perl, Python, and DB2; Jetspeed,
 * Evidence:
 * Dominique Gerald M. Cimafranca is an IT Specialist for IBM Asia-Pacific's Emerging and Competitive Markets team. In this role, he works on Linux, Digital Media, and Life Sciences opportunities. Prior to this, he also worked for IBM's NetGen and e-Business teams. He is responsible for the first RS/6000® SP-based ISP installation in Asia. He has been working with IBM since 1997 and is co-author of a firewall RedBook.
 * Web site: villageidiotsavant.blogspot.com ; http://www.sketches.kom.ph
 * Google, http://www.google.com.ph/search?hl=tl&q=Dominique+Gerald+Cimafranca+&btnG=Maghanap&meta=
 * DOMINIQUE CIMAFRANCA, 37, IT WORKER, DAVAO, MINDANAOnews.bbc.co.ukDominique Cimafranca: Nothing has changed in Philippines politics
 * Dominique Gerald CimafrancaDumaguete, Philippines
 * Cma blog;, , Cmas's 5 blogs,Friendster

Why did Cma/Dominique Gerald Cimafranca delete by edit the link?
Answer: Cma made a mistake of exposing his identity in Wikipedia, amid Cma's only agenda in Wikipedia: Surveillance and police investigative journalism as blogger contra all those who might be :inflicting their wrath through letters, blogs, Photoshop contests, and other zany means of reaction" commited by a specific User:Florentino floro. Cma committed a mistake that Floro is anti Gma. Floro never voted since 1965 and is apolitical, a pure scientist, and hater of psychic phenomena, closed Catholic though, but respect skeptics and atheists so much. The predictions and prophecies of Floro were all over internet, since Floro as lawyer is aware that Floro cannot Libel, defame or attack anybody lest he be indicted. Thus, Floro's wit, cleverly used religion and free speech by using Cryptology: angels, imprecation, etc. all protected by Wikipedia and USA Philippines laws and policies. [ -philippine-defense-squad.txt v 0.1- This text file seeks to become a comprehensive listing of all instances of times when Filipinos overreact to criticism (both deserved and undeserved) by descending upon the subject like a swarm of angry bees and inflicting their wrath through letters, blogs, Photoshop contests, and other zany means of reaction. Anyone who figures out how to contact me is welcome to contribute. * the spoon incident in Canada, which really turned out to be the fault of the boy; * former Chief Justice Isagani Cruz's comments against gays; *Inquirer inaccurately reports that Malacanang tells people to forget EDSA II. Bloggers furious. Other contributors (contact me if I've forgotten to add you): 1. Dominique Cimafranca for various entries - [[User:Cma]]; 4. Michael Gonzalez : Malacanang: Forget EDSA II - User:TheCoffee, Filipino Wikipedia administrator
 * We can’t trust gov’t with population funds DOMINIQUE GERALD M. CIMAFRANCA (via email)
 * Please edit or shorten this if TLDR due to complicated matters, which I must raise before the Rfc must proceed. Regards, and Thanks. --Florentino floro (talk) 11:05, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Revision history of User:Cma
Cma deleted the link *Location of CMA's personal website Nintendo optical disc -philippine-defense-squad.txt v 0.1- This text file seeks to become a comprehensive listing of all instances of times when Filipinos overreact to criticism (both deserved and undeserved) by descending upon the subject like a swarm of angry bees and inflicting their wrath through letters, blogs, Photoshop contests, and other zany means of reaction. Anyone who figures out how to contact me is welcome to contribute. * the spoon incident in Canada, which really turned out to be the fault of the boy; * former Chief Justice Isagani Cruz's comments against gays; *Inquirer inaccurately reports that Malacanang tells people to forget EDSA II. Bloggers furious. Other contributors (contact me if I've forgotten to add you): 1. Dominique Cimafranca for various entries - User:Cma; 4. Michael Gonzalez: Malacanang: Forget EDSA II - User:TheCoffee, Filipino Wikipedia administrator This article lacks information on the importance of the subject matter. If you are familiar with it, please expand the article, or discuss its significance on the talk page. add -
 * (cur) (last) 14:55, 21 February 2008 Cma (Talk | contribs) (1,466 bytes) (undo)
 * (cur) (last) 05:06, 30 October 2006 Cma (Talk | contribs) m (undo) -Cma created and identified his website that was already created:*Location of CMA's personal website When opened Cma's link showed and identified Cma as: - Gods, gameGoDS is a homebrew go game for the Nintendo DS.
 * (cur) (last) 03:53, 16 June 2006 RoryBot (Talk | contribs) (BOT- bypassing cross-namespace redirect using AWB) (undo)
 * (cur) (last) 16:37, 2 October 2005 Cma (Talk | contribs) (Did a subst instead of a category so my ego wouldn't actually be transcluded.) (undo)
 * (cur) (last) 09:31, 1 October 2005 Kjkolb (Talk | contribs) (removed "importance" tag, it was showing up in the category) (undo)
 * (cur) (last) 04:34, 15 September 2005 Cma (Talk | contribs) (Category: Filipino Wikipedians) (undo)
 * (cur) (last) 16:21, 24 August 2005 Cma (Talk | contribs) (undo)
 * (cur) (last) 04:25, 18 August 2005 Cma (Talk | contribs) (undo)
 * Flaminsky was deleted, and Flaminsky edited by a) using Cma user name, created the page with details and added a website to be created soon:Future location of CMA's personal website[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Cma&diff=next&oldid=17673895
 * (cur) (last) 05:33, 17 June 2005 Flaminsky (Talk | contribs)
 * Sorry about the Mel gibson edits, just playing around too much on my part, -FlaminskyUser:Flaminsky -Why was my page deleted?

Vandalism

 * Please do not edit other users' User pages. Please click the "Discussion" tab to put messages on a user talk page.   ral  315  05:34, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Please refrain from adding nonsense to Wikipedia, as you did to Oregon. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. VegaDark 05:46, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

User contributions of User:Flaminsky

 * 05:42, 2 August 2006 (hist) (diff) Oregon # 05:33, 17 June 2005 (hist) (diff) User:Cma # 04:23, 16 June 2005 (hist) (diff) m Mel Gibson

IP Address of User:Maxschmelling
With all due respect, may I please write hereunder, a very important - critical fact of this discussion. Max used an IP address and later asked apology for not using Max's username. This is utter bad faith, which might have caused the mediator/s to be misled. At any rate, I write this for the better solution of this dispute in good faith::Max admitted:
 * "I promise to be terse. It is not irrelevant to bring up evidence of a conflict of interest. You have a personal stake in "coconut healing oil" and thus what you choose to write about it should be critically viewed, especially if there are questions about the sources you use as evidence. 59.183.139.189 (talk) 06:57, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I wasn't logged in when I wrote this, but it was me. maxsch (talk) 12:28, 23 June 2008 (UTC)"
 * This is direly important in this discussion, since Max admitted per research that Max replied from India, Bombai.

Lookup IP Address: 59.183.139.189Hostname:triband-mum-59.183.139.189.mtnl.net.in ISP:Mahanagar Telephone Nigam Ltd.Organization:Mahanagar Telephone Nigam Ltd.Proxy:None detectedType:Cable/DSL, Country:India State/Region:16-City:Bombay, Latitude:18.975, Longitude:72.8258--Florentino floro (talk) 06:57, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that it is direly important. In fact I think it is pretty much irrelevant. I was passing through Mumbai, using an unfamiliar computer and I wasn't logged in. I soon added my username to the unsigned comments so that no one would be misled. I am not from India, but as I have said before, my natioanality is of no importance to this dispute. maxsch (talk) 14:02, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Shiva, Mumbai, Bombai
Requests for checkuser--Florentino floro (talk) 11:05, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Falsification?
Hi, may I ask your view on this, but before you read it. This one first. 

Florentino floro (talk) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and Happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Florentino floro (talk) 13:32, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Florentino Floro
I have plenty more arguments on the RFC talk page as to why Floro makes Wikipedia worse; check the primer if you don't want to bother going through all of max's links above or my links in the talk page. Again, we never said all his edits are bad, we said many of them are. I mean, just look at the incoherent rant on this very talk page. --Migs (talk) 11:39, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * also, I responded specifically to your statements in the RFC, my response is also in the RFC talkpage . You picked one edit of floro's that was indeed reasonable. But how can you say that it is typical of his edits when it is only one out of 5000? Please look at the diffs of all the edits I have put in the RFC before saying that there is no pattern of bad editing. Then maybe look at the mediation page User:Diligent Terrier/Florentino floro and Maxschmelling. It is indeed the responsibility of the person starting an rfc to show that there is an issue, but I feel that I have. maxsch (talk) 16:04, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Glass Ceramic
You deleted my edits without any reason or purpose. You really dislike me, don't you? You spend most of your time on here adding entries and edits to historic people that others couldn't give two hoots about. Who the hell cares about a character named "Roger de Beauvoir"? I've reinstated my edits, and ask that you stop your spiteful behavior.
 * Good one! Algabal (talk) 01:02, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Please see this poor child's history of unprovoked vandalism on my user page, as well as personal harassment here and elsewhere.  (talk) 01:06, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

You still failed to answer my question? I used to work in Retail, oh most wise one. I know how these appliances work and the do's and dont's of ceramic cooktops. Stop this game of cat and mouse. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.39.173.71 (talk) 03:55, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

I have checked his edits and contributions to this page. Yes, he seems to have a history of vandalism and pointless rants, but there's nothing about his posts on this topic that requires deletion or editing. I've researched his claims, and he does seem to be correct about his information regarding glass-ceramic ranges. Therefore, I'll let it stand. Don't be so hard on him. He's more of nuissance than a problem. As it is, I'll let his edits stand, at least for this article.


 * Henry_kane (talk) 3:34 AM, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks: but the nuisance has been mainly directed at me personally over the course of nearly a year, so if you were me perhaps you wouldn't be so forgiving! Algabal (talk) 08:35, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. And he has been warned to stop his antics. I've got him on my "watch" list. Let me know if he causes any further problems for you or your page.


 * Henry_kane (talk) 9:15 AM, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Polbot errors
How can we get this bot switched off? Like you I've been correcting its errors but User:Quadell doesn't respond.-- Klein zach  09:59, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I don't know. There must be an admin board we can report the problems on. Algabal (talk) 20:52, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Florentino floro
perhaps this edit will help convince you that floro's behavior is in fact detrimental to the encyclopedia. maxsch (talk) 05:26, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Re: Query on User:Cma vis-a-vis User:Flaminsky Hi, may I respectfully ask you some time to share your view on this. Essentially, I asked the WP:ANI on the validity of User:Cma vis-a-vis User:Flaminsky, - re Vandalism.
 * And if you have more time, please share more thoughts on the Rfc Requests for comment/Florentino floro where you contributed. Thanks. --Florentino floro (talk) 09:39, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi
Hello, greetings. Please, if you may have some free time, visit my query to my parent User:Diligent Terrier here in User:Diligent Terrier/Florentino floro and Maxschmelling where some users had recently filed comments. This is in relation to the present Rfc Requests for comment/Florentino floro. Cheers.--Florentino floro (talk) 12:22, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

David O'Neil
SatyrTN prodded the article on September 14 - see. Regards,John Z (talk) 01:14, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Also, thank you greatly improving the article with information I didn't know. I have to keep my eye out for people trying to erase these writers from our history by deleting them from Wikipedia! Algabal (talk) 01:24, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Just sayin thanks, for your comment on our RFC-this and the epilogue. Cheers.--Florentino floro (talk) 06:10, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Again, thanks, and let me explain
I received your kind message,and thus, I find the need to clarify, why I took pains, long hours and days to create my Userpage. First, Florentino Floro's reliable sources are just so few, and journalists worldwide, copied just 5 paragraphs of the 75 pages decision, which allegedly ruled I am psychotic and not insane. Thus, I had to inform all Wikipedia editors that what is told or said in Florentino Floro - is what journalists said, and not what is true based on Wikipedia approved reliable sources. Second, each line and paragraph of my Userpage, is supported with verifiable links, and I added humor, so that it will not be boring. How? Of course, I copies user pages of about 20 administrators. Third, in my talk pages from Archives 1-3, of more than 100,000 editors and 1,500 administrators, I failed to find more than 3 who would complain about my Userpage creation. I desire, that if readers and editors would read Florentino Floro and find that I edit Wikipedia, they will not be afraid of me/my articles / contribution, and since, allegedly since, I had been labeled psychotic. Also, 99% of us, Filipinos are Catholics/Christians, and under our, UK, and USA constitutions, our belief in angels and dwarves are protected by religious freedom. I am careful however on this, since I respect so much, skeptics, atheists, etc. Cheers.--Florentino floro (talk) 11:51, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Floro and the RFC
Algabal, if you think that the RFC failed, you don't understand what it is. The WP:RFC/U is a forum for other editors to comment on Floro's editing behavior and many editors did just that. Some were positive comments about Floro, but there were at least five editors who expressed misgivings about things floro has done and advised him to do change his editing style. None of the complaints are "invalid", and you are the only one who claims they are. I hope you didn't want the RFC to "fail", that would indicate a desire on your part to hinder the functioning of wikipedia. Instead I hope you would join me in encouraging floro (and his adopter User:Diligent Terrier) to listen to wizardman's debate cloasing advice. Specifically, Floro should be more careful to follow the wikipedia notability guideline and that diligent terrier should be more involved with his adoptee. maxsch (talk) 16:24, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Have you considered looking at some other areas of Wikipedia where your diligence might be better applied? Algabal (talk) 02:02, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * What max chooses to do with his time is irrelevant. The quality of edits is what is important, and that's something that a good deal of Floro's edits are lacking; the intervening admin acknowledged as much the need for Floro to heed Wikipedia guidelines, and reverting edits which do not adhere to those guidelines is perfectly fine. It doesn't constitute any "direct confrontation". Max has been more than fair with Floro; you'll notice that he leaves Floro's few good edits alone, and sometimes even takes the trouble to fix the ones which are just bordering on bad. --Migs (talk) 02:47, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It was merely a friendly suggestion, I see no reason for you to make a comment on it. I disagree, of course. I have not observed any problematic trends in Floro's edits on Wikipedia articles. Hmmm, so many people in contact with me over the Floro controversy. And they're using pseudonyms! I can't even keep it together. :) Algabal (talk) 03:20, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Here is another example of a typical Floro edit: here he adds the fact of a pregnancy to a famous celebrity's page: . How can anyone say this is non-notable to the subject? Algabal (talk) 03:29, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, if you don't see a problem with floro's edits, you aren't looking closely enough. One edit doesn't prove anything. You consistently overlook his bad edits and point out relatively innocuous ones. Why, for example, did you not respond here two months ago? I can only assume it is because I was right. You have shown no intention of actually engaging on the pertinent issues. So, why are you so intent on saying floro is a good editor and obstructing his further wikipedia education? maxsch (talk) 04:20, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * On the contrary, I have repeatedly examined the edits of Florentino floro, looking for the trends you identify, and have yet once to identify them. As such, I have rightly concluded that your complaints are faulty, just as so many others have. I see no reason to engage in vigorous, long-winded debate all over Wikispace when an examination of his recent edits to Wikipedia articles would so readily debunk your accusations. Algabal (talk) 08:35, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way, I'm not familiar with WP policies on harassment, but I'm beginning to wonder whether your actions towards floro qualify as such. Algabal (talk) 08:37, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, before making that kind of accusation, you probably should familiarize yourself with WP policies. I am trying to make wikipedia a better encyclopedia, if you disagree with my methods, I'm sorry. But I find it pretty frustrating that you make broad statements about how good an editor floro is, and then don't reply when I provide evidence to the contrary. I never said all his edits are bad, but I gave plenty of examples of bad ones, and bad patterns, on the RFC. You have not "debunked" anything. I started this conversation on your talkpage because you made a comment on Floro's talkpage that the RFC failed. I think you are giving floro a dangerously wrong impression by saying that. I don't think it failed, and I would hope you aren't trying to undermine the comments that were made there. maxsch (talk) 16:26, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems like you're making the presumption that anyone who disagrees with you about Floro is somehow intentionally tying to deceive, corrupt Wikipedia or something else. Trust me, it's actually quite possible to examine a corpus of data (i.e., floro's edit history) and come to a different conclusion than another. And yes, I have debunked your claims sufficiently to satisfy myself. The ones that strike me as irrelevant (i.e., the notion that, gosh, he's eccentric, or, well, his comments are too wordy) strike me as not worth responding to. Algabal (talk) 02:22, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I have two points to make. 1, you can think floro is a good editor if you want, but you had a lot of opportunities in the RFC to actually talk about your reasons. You offered one reasonable edit of his and a dismissive tone. You have convinced yourself, but you haven't made your thought process available to anyone else. Plus, when you were asked point blank what you thought of specific edits that were accused of being conflict of interest, you avoided the question. You may have done a lot of looking into his edit history, but you never engaged directly with the criticisms of him that were offered in the RFC. 2, Assume good faith. You accused me of criticizing floro's userpage after the RFC "failed". You said it was harassment and basically that I was looking for new ways to torment him. For starters, I wrote to him in good faith and in very reasonable language about my concerns about his userpage before the RFC was closed. I asked him to think about the fact that his userpage is extremely long. It was just a coincidence that the RFC got closed the next day (an unfortunate coincidence, but not my doing). And, I don't think the RFC failed. I think it was one step in a long process of making floro a better editor. When you say it failed, I think you are (perhaps inadvertently) standing in the way of constructive criticism from a number of concerned editors. Can you try to be more careful? maxsch (talk) 03:15, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Note that I don't speak for max. I'd like to add that "gosh he's eccentric" is in fact quite relevant because he insists on actually reflecting this in his edits. On the RFC, max linked to edits which Floro inserted, claiming that it's notable because he sees the future or even because he caused it through curses. These delusions extend to both the article namespace and the talk namespace as well, where he accuses us of conspiring against him, and even tries to convince people that we are somehow connected to disasters such as plane crashes in India. Eccentricity is all well and good when it's sandboxed to your personal life, but it's very clear that he has shown very little improvement in delineating the area where his personal beliefs end and the actual guidelines for notability begin.
 * I agree that there are good edits mixed in with the bad, but I stress that the ratio of good edits to bad is very low for someone who's been here for two years. I agree that he is trying to make Wikipedia better. I respect that you want him to stay and improve. However, to actually say that he's a good and invaluable editor is a stretch--he has a very long way to go, and saying that our accusations are faulty is just going to convince him that he is in the right and does not need to listen to editors who disagree with him. --Migs (talk) 05:28, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia and Wisdom

 * Hi, I browsed-researched deeply and found the instant problem in User:Diligent Terrier/Florentino floro and Maxschmelling.

..."Hi diligent, xxx I would like some resolution. On a more personal note, the whole affair has made me consider retiring too, too much of my good brain power has been sapped already. maxsch (talk) 13:30, 23 June 2008 (UTC)"
 * I consulted a Wikipedia doctor, and the diagnosis is - of 22 adoptees and 9 Archived pages of my adopter User:Diligent Terrier, these 2 Filipino editors are unique as far as Wikipedia discussion on talk pages, are concerned. On a sour note, my resigned adopter User talk:Ianlopez1115 almost committed suicide because of these, but I fed him with Wikipedia humor called Ignore I will never ever forget your kindness and compassion to a jobless judge in a pretend world vis-a-vis User:Cma (Mr. Dominique Gerald Cimafranca), student of my own alma mater's franchised outlet Ateneo de Davao, and 14th place in Philippines blogs. I don't desire that because of our raging edit war, too personal, too close for comfort, and aftermath of the most painful Rfc ever, that your talk page would be turned by rage messages to a blog. But I thank these 2 for Wikipedia humor, without which, we cannot JUMP with joy and eat our prize. Cheers.--Florentino floro (talk) 09:59, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

User:Florentino floro/Learned Treatise:Legal-Academic Values of Compleat User Page
Hi, thanks for your fight for truth. I created this Sub Page, since here in the Philippines, Wikipedia was junked by corrupt college professors, etc. Hence, the necessity of Completeness of a User Page, if the user, like me, would like my article to be treated as Learned treatise. Regards and Best of luck. --Florentino floro (talk) 11:37, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting, thanks. Algabal (talk) 03:20, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Many editors and administrators who watched our Rfc are confused ... If your examine the voluminous Archived Talk Pages of User:Diligent Terrier, my adopter, you would fail to find insecure and problem messages-editors, as in our Rfc. Max, Cma and my Rfc case is so simple: it is a very simple personal enmity between, or rather against me by User:Cma. But I ignore all these, since, in my law practice, since 1984, I saw many insecure and mentally deranged litigants, lawyers, judges ... even court fist boxing and gun fights. I just kept my cool. Let them argue against a blank wall. Do not destroy your day by replying to their unceasing anger posts. At first, I was so lazy to read, the long-tons of Wikipedia rules and policies, but I was forced, and I learned because of this Rfc. It is a dead end for them. I had better editing plans for problem editors: a) Let them daily revert my edits, since later, I have b) a bulk re-add of my deleted edits. For example, I plan to revert all Max September reverts of my edits, IN TIME. But they will now know when. BTW, in law practice again, the worst error a trial lawyer will commit in court is to get angry. I made so many enemies, since I ignore all of them. It is fun seeing them in full rage. Just now these guys wanted my entertainment, but I want them to pay me, so I invited all of them to register in Wikipedia, since most of them are so angry and post nonsense.
 * Seriously, I am more concerned about our Philippine colleges' junking Wikipedia because of their huge loss in corruption publishing. Thus, I created this User SubPage to deal with this. It is serious. It is not only interesting but, I must do act on it in talk pages. I plan to put a message there to save my legal articles created from being junked by college thesis requirements here. Regards.--Florentino floro (talk) 13:05, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Invitation-request to comment on ANI, Max v Floro & Floro v Max, for blocking
Hi, may I please request you to submit some comment on myand User:Maxschmelling's twin petitions-complaints on the Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents for blocking. Despite the long RFC, where Max lost, and was warned not to stalk me, since September 25, Max refused to stop stalking me and my edits. This is a sad day for Wikipedia. Cheers.



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No, its not. Not at all. Stalin and the USSr is actually a very small portion of Robeson's life you just are buying the generic, rote line. Also there is PLENTY of unflattering and "Robeson is responsible foR everything Stalin ever did" rhetoric that you seek in the separate article ABOUT HIS BELIEFS IN SOCIALISM. The intro mentions the Stalin peace prize too. Btw, few black groups are now distanced from Robeson. you need to read more books-the baseball and anti-lyching legislation, anti-colonialism and pro-Africa is WELL DOCUMENTED in CIA and FBI files! Crack open a book or ten as I have. thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.124.141 (talk) 19:38, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

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