User talk:All Rows4

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bad edits or vandalism?
G'day All Rows4,

you threw out my edit of Plan_Dalet with the apparent grounds: "this is not a blog." Perhaps not, but it (wiki) is supposed to be a reference source - or so I presume(d). I made another edit to a related article, also thrown out, on grounds: WP:V = "Material added to articles that is not attributable to a reliable, published source appropriate to the content in question may be removed," my accent on *may,* but you must be familiar with all of WP:V.

What stimulated my edits was this: "The meeting significantly advanced Herzl's and Zionism legitimacy" - an impossibility given the subsequent theft of most of Palestine by invading alien Zionists; that wiki thus contains a statement not attributable to any reliable, published source - unless such a source contains lies.

IF wiki is to be useful THEN it needs major revision, to revert to a *true* history.

BTW thnx for telling me something I already knew ("1 revision rule.") As if I would persist in the face of yours or any other's rejection.

regards, wiφ 16:51, 21 December 2011 (UTC). — Preceding unsigned comment added by WiPhi (talk • contribs)


 * I am happy to hear you were already aware of the 1 Reviosn rule. Seeing as you are a new editor with less than 10 edits, that was not obvious to me, but I'm glad you took the trouble to familiarize yourself with it. You should now do the same for a few other policies, such as WP:NPOV and WP:V. I think you will find that if you charge into editing sensitive topic areas such as the Israeli-Palestinian conflict using POV, emotive terms like "theft" and "invading alien Zionists" you will (a) not convince anyone; (b) find your edits routinely removed based on the WP:NPOV policy and (c) find yourself blocked for disruptive editing. Take care. All Rows4 (talk) 22:40, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions warning
What's this all about? I've edited E1 (Jerusalem), extensively, so I am aware of the Arbitration committee decision you are referencing. Do you have any issues with my editing on that article? All Rows4 (talk) 22:14, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Reference errors on 29 March
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May 2015
Hello, I'm Happysailor. I noticed that you recently removed some content from Battle of Shuja'iyya with this edit, without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, the removed content has been restored. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. - Happysailor  (Talk) 19:11, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

You just supported the unexplained removed, or rather a removal based on descriptive phobic hatred, of material sourced
to two major league American scholars, on a quibble over a technicality. That means you support the removal. If you do, then go to the talk page and argue why that eminently solid source and its details should not be there. Otherwise you are assisting an anonymous hatemonger's disturbances of normal collegial editing. Thank you. Nishidani (talk) 16:29, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I oppose people removing content based on false pretense - there was no vandalism in that edit you reverted. I have no opinion on the validity of the edit itself (other than correctly evaluating it to be non-vandalism)- that's's something for you to work out with the other editors on the article's talk page. All Rows4 (talk) 16:33, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The prior editor 'removed content based on a false pretence'. Check the edit prior to mine. 13:22, 22 May 2015 (UTC)Nishidani (talk)
 * Removing content, even based on false pretense, is not vandalism. Please read WP:VANDALISM, as I suggested. All Rows4 (talk) 17:12, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

You don't seem to grasp what constitutes vandalism and what doesn't. I suggest you familiarise yourself with wikipedia rules before continue editing.

Cheers!

Solntsa90 (talk) 21:45, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I actually have a very good grasp of what is and isn't vandalism. Here is a quote from WP:VANDALISM for you to read, and memorize: "Even if misguided, willfully against consensus, or disruptive, any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia is not vandalism. Edit warring over content is not vandalism. " All Rows4 (talk) 21:53, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

It is no longer good faith when you refuse to familiarise yourself with the rules on editing certain articles; Then, it constitutes vandalism. Solntsa90 (talk) 22:22, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * we'll resume his discussion when you come back from you inevitable block for edit warring. Reread what I bolded above. All Rows4 (talk) 22:24, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Jerusalem is not legally in Israel, or Palestine, as per both International law and wiki arbitration
I highly suggest you read this.

Solntsa90 (talk) 21:32, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I am not interested in your opinion. There are sources that place these locations in Israel, and you may not remove them. All Rows4 (talk) 21:34, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

It is not an opinion, but a fact that Jerusalem is not in Israel, as per the international ongoing arbitration between Israel and Palestine to reach a peace agreement; Since Palestine too has claimed Jerusalem, it cannot legally belong to Israel under these conditions, and this is something that even the USA agrees on.

With that said, if you keep on vandalising Jerusalem-related articles, I will have to get a moderator involved to see forth disciplinary action against you.

Cheers!

Solntsa90 (talk) 21:36, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:VANDALISM before you repeat these false allegations. Do it once more and you'll be up in an administrative board. All Rows4 (talk)

Go for it. I've been part of the wiki Israel-Palestine project for a while now, and I'm well aware that Jerusalem is not considered part of Israel, and as you've been instructed to read the arbitration relating to the location of Jerusalem as per wikipedia (let alone international law), you are knowingly vandalising wikipedia. Solntsa90 (talk) 21:44, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Possible subject of interest
Thought you might be interested in the ongoing discussion about sock-puppetry and ip-falsifying software at Impact of paid editors and false ip software on admin elections

Cheers,

Scott P. (talk) 00:13, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

RFC
An RFC about an article that you have recently commented on is ongoing at: Talk: Dennis Hastert -  Cwobeel   (talk)  00:21, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I commented there. All Rows4 (talk) 22:31, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

RFC closure challenge
The closing of an RFC in which you participated, is being challenged at WP:AN -   Cwobeel   (talk)  00:15, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

WP:AE
I have opened a request at WP:AE concerning you. Kingsindian &#9821;&#9818; 15:23, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Notification
The prior notification (March 2014) needs to be renewed since more than 12 months has elapsed, per comments at WP:AE. Johnuniq (talk) 00:52, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Civil and collegial editing, and assumptions of good faith

 * Having reviewed the situation on the talk page that spurred this all on, I wanted to leave you the following warning.
 * Wikipedia operates as an encyclopedia everyone can edit, but also one everyone edits together. That collaboration requires a certain amount of cooperation, which requires a certain amount of assuming good faith of other editors and collegial behavior.  WP:AGF is important.  Our civility is one of our five pillars, the core community values for the project and encyclopedia.
 * "That source does not say that, please review" would have been a neutral or constructive way to engage in feedback over the claims that started all of this. Feedback on reading and interpretation of sources is necessary.  However, forming and promoting the opinion that it was intentional source fabrication and continually repeating it was not collegial or civil.
 * This is particularly important on pages lots of people disagree about. The higher level of real world conflict requires more not less of editors in that area.
 * Please don't go around flinging dangerous accusations around like that again. It's corrosive to the normal important discussions Wikipedia has to have.  Again, reasonable and constructive feedback to an editor misinterpreting a source is very different than accusing them of doing so maliciously.
 * I don't believe that the incident that happened, nor your subsequent discussions, justify any official Arbitration Enforcement actions. However, people who keep this type of behavior up over extended periods of time do eventually disrupt normal discussions enough that they will get sanctioned.  So, this is a somewhat informal warning.  This behavior was not OK.
 * I am going to be closing the Arbitration Enforcement request between the other editors' backing off and the overall picture just not justifying any administrative or AE intervention. However, that discussion and this warning will remain in the record.  I hope you avoid such unnecessary confrontations going forwards.  They don't help the encyclopedia or your editing.
 * Thank you. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 02:59, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Spurious allegation of 1RR violation
DavidHeap (talk) 04:59, 5 July 2015 (UTC) Perhaps you are unaware of the wikipedia definition of reverting : my edit to Freedom Flotilla III at 01:26, 4 July 2015, does not "restore to a previous version" of this page, because no previous version ever said "began releasing". It is a new edit, not a "revert" as you claim, and furthermore, my change in line with the undisputed facts (some of the Marianne crew are still in prison as of July 5, 2015 ). Perhaps you would like to withdraw your spurious allegation and apologize? Or shall we elevate this? I note (above) that this is not the first complaint against you.