User talk:Allack

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Hello. I've noticed that you've been editing Chip's Challenge to include information about an upcoming game called "Chuck's Challenge". Is Chuck Sommerville actually involved in this project (i.e., actively taking part in it)? Eric119 (talk) 20:44, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes he is see http://www.niffler.co.uk/people.htm

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Facebook page
Please don't ad spam to the Chip's Challenge article. this edit is not appropriate for Wikipedia. Nothing has changed since the last time you tried this, Wikipedia is still not a platform for promotion. Read WP:NOTADVERTISING if you don't believe me. Grayfell (talk) 20:33, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Again? I'm not sure if you looked at the links. Could you please review them as you'll fine the page is 3 days old and it's designed so people have the freedom to ask questions about Chip's Challenge rather than doing it here on wiki. Allack (talk) 21:21, 19 May 2013 (UTC).
 * I'm talking about your consistent history of promotional edits. The Facebook section doesn't belong. Also, you do not need to copy this conversation to my talk page, and any new conversations go at the bottom of a talk page. Grayfell (talk) 21:34, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I placed it on both pages as reading the wiki article on replying it said you may not see it if it's only here. I did know that articles should go at the bottom. If you want I can edit it for you. We clearly have different views on promotion. I was simply letting people know where they could openly discuss Chip's Challenge if they wanted to. However if you think that is advertising then I shall not re-edit the post. Perhaps it could be a simply external link at the bottom? Allack (talk) 21:46, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you, but you do not need to edit my talk page. In the future, you might consider using a Talkback, but you don't need to in my case. If you create two identical discussion threads it becomes impossible for other editors to know which one is active, much like spaghetti code.
 * As for the Facebook section: You should read WP:ELPEREN. Facebook links are not generally used as external links (I don't believe this qualifies as one of the few exceptions). Since you know Sommerville, you have a conflict of interest. If I were you, I would at least limit my Chip's Challenge related edits to what is supported by strictly factual WP:SECONDARY sources. Grayfell (talk) 21:59, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * We already had the conflict of interest discussion with several other wiki admin last year, and it was decided by them that there was no conflict of interest. As wiki needs people who are knowledgeable on the subject matter they are editing.Allack (talk) 22:06, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure where you got that impression, but I've read those discussions, and I don't agree. You have acknowledged this involvement, and the majority of your article edits have been to promote Chuck Sommerville or Chuck's Challenge. The remainder of your edits have been otherwise related to Chip's Challenge. I've linked to WP:COI too many times, and I'm sorry, I know that may seem condescending. I want to make absolutely sure you have read it. It's clear to me that you have an apparent conflict of interest. Your (hypothetical) COI wouldn't prevent you from editing, it just means you need to be more cautious about those edits. Regardless, I felt your edits were inappropriate, which is why I reverted them.
 * Your profile talks about your professional experience as a video-game developer. Since you are knowledgeable in that area, I encourage you to contribute to some of the many other articles that need expert attention. WikiProject Video games might be a good place to start. Grayfell (talk) 00:09, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Verifiability and recentism
A couple of points: Your info about Desura is presumably accurate, but is not WP:VERIFIABLE, which is a core policy of Wikipedia. Second, just because Desura no longer sells the game doesn't mean it should automatically be removed from the page. Wikipedia isn't a directory of sales sites, it's an encyclopedia. If it was important enough to include when it was recent, why is it no longer worth mentioning now? It probable isn't, but then, neither is all the ad-like bits about Steam and Google Play. Hopefully the changes I have made to the article address the Desura issue.

The article isn't even about Chuck's Challenge 3D, it's about Chip's Challenge, a much older and more historically significant game, so including this level of detail is already pushing the limits of soapboxing. If you can find any WP:SECONDARY sources about Chuck's Challenge, especially ones that specifically mention Chip's Challenge, that would go a long way towards mitigating these problems. Finding (non-user-submitted) reviews on established game sites and magazines seem like it might be a good starting point. Grayfell (talk) 22:52, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Talkback
Grayfell (talk) 23:44, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Talkback
Sometimes talk-back can be a little annoying. If you would like me to stop using it, just say the word. Grayfell (talk) 00:39, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Talkback
Grayfell (talk) 10:24, 8 March 2014 (UTC)