User talk:Allen3/Archive9

DYK for 5th Arizona Territorial Legislature
The DYK project (nominate) 18:03, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Charles Silent
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for 10th Arizona Territorial Legislature
The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

User talk page
Hi! Are users allowed to delete they're user talk page content? If yes, could you give me some page where I can see that?-- Edgars2007  (Talk/Contributions) 15:00, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, big thanks to you!-- Edgars2007  (Talk/Contributions) 15:17, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for 8th Arizona Territorial Legislature
The DYK project (nominate) 18:03, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for 9th Arizona Territorial Legislature
The DYK project (nominate) 18:03, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Deletion Review of Last-minute rescue
As you participated in the AfD for this article, I am informing you of a deletion review currently in progress for the article. The creator of the article wants to discuss what constitutes original research. The article as it currently appears is userfied to User:George Serdechny/Last-minute rescue. Thank you. CycloneGU (talk) 19:55, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Wilhelmine Reichard
Hi, I see you moved the hook to prep; however, I was still waiting for the page creator to link it to other articles, as it is a complete orphan with no other pages linked to it. Yoninah (talk) 12:23, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Charles Austin Tweed
The DYK project (nominate) 18:06, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Prep 3
Hi, I see you moved List of La Sierra University presidents to prep. I just reviewed this a few hours ago, noting that it was just a list. The page editor added background information which really belongs in the main article, La Sierra University. Also, the references aren't formatted. I for one would not approve this hook. Best, Yoninah (talk) 10:40, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Your complaint is obviously based upon outdated information. User:Dr pda/prosesize.js shows the article currently contains 2097 characters (345 words) of readable prose size. --Allen3 talk 11:41, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * That's not what I'm talking about. This page, as its title states, is a "list" to accompany the main article. You can't just slap "background" or "history" on it to make it suitable for DYK. All that background belongs in the main article. Yoninah (talk) 14:55, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I see I'm not the only one thinking along these lines. A merge discussion has been going on at La Sierra University since April. I added merge tags to both these pages. Yoninah (talk) 15:14, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Please don't change hooks just because you are unfamiliar with the rules of English grammar. As someone has rightly pointed out, "its" is just as correct as "it". Many thanks, Ericoides (talk) 07:52, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Q2 - Heathrow
Could you remove my hook for Heathrow from Queue 2 so that I can return it to the suggestions page? It was one of three suggestions but I feel it is the least interesting of those. Harrison49 (talk) 18:32, 11 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Harrison49 (talk) 18:44, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Your reversion of a bot error
I wish you would have let me know about this error when you reverted it. It would have saved me from having to make the same fix to several hundred other talk pages where the bot made the same error since April 4, once someone else finally let me know about the problem. Anomie⚔ 23:02, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Glossary of association football terms in P2 at DYK
Hello Allen3, I notice you moved this article from DYK to the P2 area, but it was decided the image shouldn't go with it. The removal of the image is detrimental to the impact of the slightly quirky hook, so I'd like you to either move it back to the DYK waiting area until it can have the lead image or adjust the P2 area so the image goes with it. It's one of those hooks that really does need a picture. Hope this makes sense? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:12, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Apparently it's now in Q6 (as User:Harrison49 has been kind enough to let me know), please move it back to holding or delay it until such a time the image will be able to go with it. Cheers!  The Rambling Man (talk) 21:30, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Queue problem

 * Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know this needs fixed asap please! BarkingMoon (talk) 02:59, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for George Tyler Wood
Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Pryor horses
Excellent work by Tim1965 here. Glad it's going to be a lead DYK. I was going to put in a lead slot but you beat me to it, but it's there and that's what's important. We don't get many horse articles. Nice selection!BarkingMoon (talk) 11:00, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Image for DYK - Millennium Mills
Hi, if it's not too late, please add this image to Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2: - Fayenatic (talk) 12:54, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks very much for your prompt reply. I'll leave it. I didn't know there was a rule that only one picture would be included. - Fayenatic (talk) 14:40, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Please take more care
Hi,

Can you please take more care when moving DYK to the prep area. You moved Owen Crowe to the prep area when a question had yet to be answered. Thanks Lightmouse (talk) 15:44, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

OTD staging areas
Thanks for helping out with that!  howcheng  {chat} 20:45, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

July OTD observances
I was doing these, and I noticed you were also doing it, so I will stop and leave it to you, so that I can focus on the blurbs instead. Also, I wanted your opinion: I started creating Selected anniversaries/Holidays and observances as a "master list" of everything, but then I thought maybe we would want to create an article List of holidays and observances by month or something like that. Would you be interested in taking that up?  howcheng  {chat} 17:03, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Real Color Wheel new artical
I now have my Copyright for Real Color Wheel and want to re-start my Real Color Wheel page. Or do I need to since I have this WikiHow page? http://www.wikihow.com/Use-the-Real-Color-Wheel If I do this I would like your support. Don (talk) 08:12, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Forth Valley Royal Hospital
Hi i added the above article to Template talk:Did you know as a suggestion. Its not been looked at. Have i done something wrong its the first time if nominated it so not sure if i have made a mistake. Sorry saw your an active member so thought id ask for advice. Thanks. Warburton1368 (talk) 22:38, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * thanks Just thought I'd maybe done it wrong haveing never tried it before. Warburton1368 (talk) 12:43, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Tokyo In Tulsa entry
In researching the Tokyo In Tulsa Wikipedia entry I noticed that you had deleted it in 2009 as a "non-notable convention". Considering that TNT just wrapped up its fourth year and is planning to expand to four days in 2012, I think it has become a convention of note. Therefore, I am working on a new Tokyo In Tulsa entry. OKNewshawk (talk) 06:37, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK nom for Estevan Ochoa
Hi Allen, I have reviewed your nomination at Template:Did you know nominations/Estevan Ochoa and I have a question regarding the hook. Could you please see my comments and reply at the nomination page? Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:03, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Peter Hansborough Bell
Hello! Your submission of Peter Hansborough Bell at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath Peter Hansborough Bell and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Gamaliel (talk) 15:24, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Joseph P. Allyn
Hello! Your submission of Joseph P. Allyn at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Silver seren C 01:27, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Replied again. Silver  seren C 19:24, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Allen? Silver  seren C 01:33, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Peter Hansborough Bell
The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Joseph P. Allyn
Materialscientist (talk) 16:03, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Estevan Ochoa
Orlady (talk) 21:52, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

vandalism
I ask to consider acts of vandalism party user:Neftchi in article Lezgistan Lezgistxa (talk) 21:21, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

John Titus
I reviewed your article on Titus for DYK, here. Everything checked out and I readily passed it. Good work. IvoShandor (talk) 07:45, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for John Titus (jurist)
Allen3 talk 12:09, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Edmund Francis Dunne
The DYK project (nominate) 12:02, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/List of international cricket centuries by V. V. S. Laxman
Hi, May I know why the picture was not featured even after I included that. -- Commander (Ping Me) 13:29, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Rugby DYK
Could you please put the promotion of Template:Did you know nominations/List of Rugby World Cup red cards on hold for a couple of days so that it ties in with the finals at the weekend. violet/riga [talk] 21:54, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry - I forgot to check the queue length and assumed that it would be happening earlier than the 21st. Good work!  violet/riga [talk] 22:06, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for John T. Alsap
Thanks from me Victuallers (talk) 12:03, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for DeForest Porter
Thanks from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 00:03, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Argo Tea DYK queue position
Since 90% of this company's cafes are in New York City and the Chicago metropolitan area, wouldn't it be better if this hook ran in a 8AM to 8PM NY time slot when those people will be awake?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:56, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Survey for new page patrollers
Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of Wiki Media Foundation at 10:59, 25 October 2011 (UTC).

DYK review of Francis Alfred Broad
Thank you for your DYK review of the article Francis Alfred Broad. Much appreciated. I noticed that you commented "... many of the article's sources are offline ..." and "... so WP:AGF on this concern". If you do need to see the source of the hook citation (Simms) then it is available on-line here --Senra (Talk) 15:53, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Thank you for all the hard work you do with DYK prep.

LauraHale (talk) 03:41, 29 October 2011 (UTC) 

DYK Review
Hey, thanks for passing it. Thanks for the input. :)  Toa   Nidhiki  05  19:08, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Expansion?
Hello, I was looking at Walt Smallwood, which is in prep area 2 right now. The expansion was from 1,765 to 4,574, which is not 5x, and it was promoted. Am I missing something? Bar Code Symmetry  (Talk) 19:33, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion
As a participant at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion, would you take a look at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 00:06, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Prep question
I just moved a DYK hook to a prep area for the first time. in the instructions it says "N13: After adding an entry to a preparation area page, remove it from the suggestions page. Make sure to include the article name, date, nominator, and creator under the "Credits" section to allow others to return it if a dispute arises." at Did_you_know/Preparation_areas. but in T:TDYK it does not mention removing the article sub page from T:TDYK and I noticed that after I closed the subpage, although in edit mode it still appears in T:TDYK once you refresh T:TDYK the subpage no longer appears in view mode. Why is this? And can the contradictory instructions be updated? Pumpkin Sky  talk  13:35, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I've figured out how to pass an article but still wonder about the contradictory instructions. Pumpkin Sky   talk  01:26, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Straw poll over at DYK
Hey there, there is a straw poll going on at Wikipedia talk:Did you know about whether or not to enact technical changes to DYK tools. Your input would be much appreciated. P.s. I am sending you this message based on your heavy involvement in DYK, rather than at random. I hope this is ok. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 17:56, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for wasting my time
Dude, instead of totally undoing that prep1 and putting it back in the noms page, why didn't you make a holding prep set or something. That wouldn't harm anything and it was a really good prep set. Now please put it all back together. Pumpkin Sky  talk  00:09, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That's no excuse for you to dismantle it. You could have saved it. Your argument is very weak. Now put it back....And I guess you didn't read what I wrote above well as I didn't ask you to ignore Christmas, only to save the set for a day. Pumpkin Sky   talk  02:36, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * BUT A DEVIL CAN APPEAR ON CHRISTMAS?!?!?! IS THIS A JOKE? Pumpkin Sky   talk  11:32, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Christmas, Arizona
Gatoclass (talk) 16:03, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Solomon Warner
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:01, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Unattributed != uncited
See response on my talk page. Wasted Time R (talk) 00:57, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK Issue
Hello! Your submission of Hardin Richard Runnels at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! -- Lord Roem (talk) 19:56, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Pie Allen
The DYK project (nominate) 20:03, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Hardin Richard Runnels
Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:33, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for preferred walking speed
Please pull this one out of the prep area you are building. I've determined that my approval was premature. --Orlady (talk) 17:58, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Rescheduling DYK for Research Works Act
Dear Allen3, thanks for reviewing and promoting DYK/RWA. I noticed that it is now scheduled for Sunday, Jan 15, 8am - 4pm UTC. That is a time when most of the people likely interested in the hook are asleep. Do you think you can move it to a working day's afternoon UTC? Thank you! --Mietchen (talk) 15:37, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Mildred Lewis Rutherford DYK nomination
Hi, I've responded on the nomination page to your comment. It's a new article, not an expansion. It was in my sandbox. Lady of  Shalott  15:03, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I saw you promoted it; thanks! Lady  of  Shalott  19:05, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

MSU Interview
Dear Allen3,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, were it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.

So a few things about the interviews:
 * Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
 * Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
 * All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
 * All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
 * The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.

Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 06:24, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Territorial courts
In addition to John Titus (jurist), would you say that all of the following territorial judges would technically be federal judges at W&J alumni?
 * Andrew G. Miller
 * Samuel Dexter LeCompte
 * Ethelbert Patterson Oliphant
 * Thanks.--GrapedApe (talk) 22:42, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Richard Elihu Sloan
The DYK project (nominate) 16:37, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Joseph Henry Kibbey
The DYK project (nominate) 00:22, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Rabih Mroué
Hi, you added this to Prep 4, but I noted on the nomination that this hook needs quote marks because it is lifted from the source. Could you use the ALT instead? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 13:15, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Dumb Things DYK
Cheers for sorting that. Images don't always show up on my computer so I missed that one during my review. Paul MacDermott (talk) 15:20, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Re: DYK of Rated R: Remixed (Which you sent to the prep area)
This is not the hook that we decided on. This is. Why has it been changed? Aaron  &bull; You Da  One

Talkback
Aaron  &bull; You Da  One 01:11, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

the doon school dyk
Hi allen,

Do forgive me but I didn't understand your recent comment on the Doon school DYK submission. I started expanding the article only in December 2011 and you say there is no sufficient expansion? Also, is it necessary that the article has to be five-fold expanded before the inclusion in DYK? Can't the quality of the article compensate for it? Thanks! &#58;: Merlaysamuel :: (talk) 12:08, 18 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I rejected the DYK submission. DYK is for articles that are substantially new, meaning the entire article is content new to Wikipedia or the article was expanded 5x very recently. (See Did you know for details.) Since this article is very large, a 5x expansion is essentially impossible. --Orlady (talk) 14:50, 18 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply. I agree that the article is not new. It's 5+ years old, but the fact or the'hook' of DYK was recent (2012). I really don't understand what does DYK submission has got to do anything with Article size or expansion. After all, isn't DYK all about interesting trivia and facts? And that's what i had in mind when i submitted it. Please do correct me me if I'm wrong. Many thanks :)

&#58;: Merlaysamuel :: (talk) 15:27, 18 March 2012 (UTC)


 * The main purpose of DYK is to call attention to new article content in Wikipedia. It does so by highlighting interesting facts from new articles and articles that have recently been significantly expanded. (Most of the 5x expansions featured in DYK took the article from a short stub to a fairly substantial article.) --Orlady (talk) 17:50, 18 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for replying. So do you mean that the Doon School can now never qualify for DYK, regardless of how many interesting facts it has?

&#58;: Merlaysamuel :: (talk) 19:19, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The issue of "how many interesting facts" the article of a proposed hook may contain is not a factor in DYK eligibility. To qualify for DYK the article would need to be expanded from its current 28093 characters of readable prose to roughly 140000 characters of readable prose.  While it is theoretically possible that such an expansion could be performed, from a practical standpoint there is little likelihood that enough additional sourced material could be located to allow for such an expansion without resorting to original research or creating some other problem. --Allen3 talk 20:39, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Okay thanks. I now understand what DYK really is. I used to think that it carries interesting facts and trivia for any article. But little did i know that the articles have to be recently expanded. thanks for the clarification! &#58;: Merlaysamuel :: (talk) 21:10, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Gemma McCluskie DYK
See Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:50, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Oakland Medical Center
I finished expanding the article further.LuciferWildCat (talk) 03:53, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Any update?LuciferWildCat (talk) 13:41, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Urgent review request for Template:Did you know nominations/Anthony Davis (basketball)‎
I have had an urgent review request at Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know that is being ignored. Can you review this?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:40, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk tirumala Venkateswara Temple
I was not aware that posting that message on administrators talk page would be considered canvassing.

I am not intending to get any one sided opinion on this, if that was so, why would I choose Administartors, every user I chose to post on was an administrator and I felt they are the ones who will be unbiased. I saw advertising on the RFC page and thought that was the way to go. Please revert your views on the talk page which says I am trying to canvass if you may think fair.

I am doing the RFc for the first time.

Pavan 02:43, 12 April 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pavn123 (talk • contribs)

Peter Feldmann promoted?
Sorry, but how does this review = promoted? I was the first reviewer, and brought in some objections; the second reviewer reviewed a hook that was explicitly withdrawn by the nominator. As we stand, the entire hook hinges on a fact that the nominator has said, on the very nom page, is no longer verifiable.

The article needs some rewriting (per the nominator) and the hook needs to be formally verified subsequent to that. I really don't see why this was promoted when the discussion was still ongoing. Dahn (talk) 21:27, 12 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Allen, I'm looking at the nomination page as we speak. What I see is the following: you picked up a hook that was neither approved nor rejected, and for which there is no approved or rejected symbol; you suggest that it is impossible to read through the arguments without such visual clues, yet you were able to pick up on my comment about what idiomatic use goes with "Jewish belief". I'm not here to criticize you for the sake of conversation, I'm here to tell you to move the hook back from the queue, precisely because you ignored the rules you invoke - the hook was passed without being approved. That is an evident fact, regardless of how inept you suggest I am when it comes to communicating it. I apologize for the inconvenience, but building up rhetoric around that mistake doesn't make it a lesser mistake,. Regards, Dahn (talk) 14:33, 13 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I was under the impression that, as a constructive long-term contributor to DYK, I would deserve more than this wall of silence treatment. If it weren't an actual requirement that I would be spending time on the QPQ nomination, I would also try and ignore blunders such as this one, it's not like anybody but me cares; but I'm told I have to, then I'm told it's an irrelevant task, and that I'm wrong to even bring up the issues I see. If it weren't for WP:POINT and the fact that I'm a decent person, this reaction of yours would simply teach me to pretend I actually review hooks, and just pass every one I need to pass in the QPQ process. Dahn (talk) 11:43, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

OTD April 15
I don't want it to seem like I'm completely overruling you on Selected anniversaries/April 15. I personally prefer to rotate as many article as possible every year, so I took out all of the ones that were repeated from last year. The other ones I replaced were the Arab revolt (ineligible) and the 1989 Hillsborough disaster, because Hu Yaobang (same year) became eligible again, so I like to reward the editors for doing the cleanup with a Main Page appearance. In other words, feel free to continue updating OTD as you see fit. I try to leave in any articles that other people swap unless circumstances dictate otherwise. Thanks. — howcheng  {chat} 11:36, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Tent city university
I saw that you deleted this article. But it is recreated. I m not sure that is it the same person who re-created it with new username or not. But just informed you. Thanks!  Yash  t  101   11:50, 14 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply. You are doing great work, Keep it up and Happy editing! :)  Yash  t  101   14:07, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Special date requests at DYK
I may have a DYK request to add to the section you removed here. Do you think it is too late now to put requests up for those dates? If so, would it be possible to put a note somewhere on what sort of lead-up time is needed for special date requests? I've seen some requests get put in right at the last minute, and some requested weeks in advance. It seems to depend largely on who responds to the request. Is it unlikely, for example, that if the queues were filled, that changes would be made after that point? Or is the bottleneck the reviewing time? Carcharoth (talk) 02:12, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. I'd missed that instruction you pointed out. That, and the more detailed explanation you provided, were very helpful. I'll go ahead and nominate the article(s) anyway, when ready (hopefully later today), but may suggest a different date (whether that is accepted or not, I don't know, but I agree it is far too late now for this weekend). Carcharoth (talk) 10:23, 15 April 2012 (UTC)