User talk:AllenGinsberg

Instead, why not try Janine Vega? Ginsburg was great, but there were women Beats, too.

Her laughter flew

uncontrolled from the throats

of the ancient queens

as they swigged another ale down

broke another neckbone

and threw it to the dogs

She laughed in the midnight graveyards

with adept yoginis, who sang to each other

in secret

surrounded by bones jutting through

the earth and the grinning skulls

they reeled in ecstasy

&middot; Katefan0(scribble) 04:38, May 1, 2005 (UTC)

Janine Vega
She was Peter Orlovsky's lover, and friends with Herbert Huncke and Elise Cowen. In Dream Record, Ginsberg talks about her -- "At the dock, Elise peering over her eyeglasses, Janine whitefaced blond in black jacket waving scarf, & Lafcadio with half smile, fluttering straw hat ambiguously &mdash; Peter above deck cupping his hand to heart in a Russian cap &mdash; and when I called their names I saw them, drifting away with their skulls." She was one of the Beats -- there were many women Beats that have just never gotten the attention that the guys did... artists, poets, writers. Mary Fabilli, Diane di Prima, Joyce Johnson, Hettie Jones, Denise Levertov, Jan Kerouac. More. &middot; Katefan0(scribble) 14:31, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * You are a strange one, and yet I feel like you're someone I'd hang out with, as bizarre as that seems. Why not really contribute instead of pissing in corners? &middot; Katefan0(scribble) 22:03, May 2, 2005 (UTC)

Not Really--it's more of a vague notion
I wouldn't classify inclusionism as a philosophy per se--it's a term that gets thrown around a lot but hasn't been thoroughly worked out in any systematic way. For a working definition--ie, for the purposes of this encyclopedia--I would say that it means including information, facts & figures, even when their reliability is somewhat questionable or of uncertain origin. It's a much more humble type of ethic than deletionism, which assumes that the deletionist can prove that so-and-so actually did not say X or Y, or that something is definitively not true. This doesn't mean we should include all facts & figures, just that we should allow for the fact that sometimes the facts are erroneous, and even when they're not, they often downright lie1. OBElliott 02:27, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Stroking pussy cats
Um... wait, what? Did I miss something? Or do you normally start conversations from the middle? What do you mean? --Dmcdevit 04:38, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, I am a he, not a she, I don't know where you got that idea. But I just didn't understand where your random comment came from. Have we talked before? --Dmcdevit 22:17, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

French
Actually, I am some portion French, from an ancestral standpoint. Descended from Huguenot ancestors who settled on Staten Island after the revocation of the Edict of Nantes. &middot; Katefan0(scribble) 20:20, May 5, 2005 (UTC)

Comment on the berries
Re: your comments to me from before. It wasn't Postal Service that got so much attention; it was Radiohead's W.A.S.T.E. that got so much attention from Mojo-- cf. Thom Yorke's comment to Der Spiegel of May 13, 2004: "It was supposed to stand ofor "We Await Silent Trystero's Elderberries," from the Thomas Pynchon book The Crying of Lot 49, in which the Trystero was not a man's name, but a mail service in which a message was encoded, carried & read by many different parties, all of whom took some different meaning out of it > it all contributes to an overwhelming sense of paranoia, like the reader might die at any minute, or be kidnapped in Pennsylvania." AllenGinsberg 00:26, 13 May 2005 (UTC)