User talk:Alniko

Please stop VANDALISING the pages
Hi Alniko aka Nik aka Nikolas,

Please sign up at the bottom of your editings, when you are making some entries in the discussion pages (talk_pages), using your user_name and user_talk with the date/time stamp. And please understand that wikipedia is not a soapbox (WP:NOT) to advertise your feelings (passion for your city and hatred for the other).

I can judge you from the messages by you to a soap box (skyscrapercity) and your blogs related to Cochin (cochinmasala, voxcochin, etc). I can make out how much hatred you are carrying to your neighbouring city. I got to know about your aggressive passion for Kochi. I can understand your colour-blinded prejuidice. But Wikipedia is not the stage for you. See, how many times you vandalised the pages of both Thiruvananthapuram(history) and Kochi(history). You have been editing from the IP addresses :203.199.213.66 and 203.199.213.67 (from Chennai using the ISP of VSNL)

There are certain norms for the editing in Wikipedia. " Wikipedia is not an advertising service. Promotional articles about yourself, your friends, your company or products; or articles written as part of a marketing or promotional campaign, may be deleted in accordance with our deletion policies." For more information, see Spam. Also read Wikipedia:Five_pillars You can be even blocked, if you are not complying to the norms. --Samaleks 12:04, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Who is the vandal ?
Actually Samalek, you don't deserve a reply. If you insist on one just do one thing - take the message you send me and interchange Kochi & Thiruvananthapuram and also Nik & Samalek. Done ?

Anyway, you are a paid mercenary of a  minority hate-mongering fringe from Trivandrum. I am determined to deal with your kind. Hence do not message me on this topic. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alniko (talk • contribs).

Please corporate.
Dear Nik,

Sorry if I hurt you in my previous message. Let me explain.

You were constantly editing to proselytize your thoughts. See, the majority here in Wikipedia hates such attittude. It doesnt matter whether it is a guy from tvm or from ekm (infact many members who are reverting your edits are not from the either cities - even me; or may be from your city itself).

For the editions, we normally arrive at a consensus through discussions, and will go by logical conclusions. Here the majority feels that you are doing vandalism in the pages.

You can see that irrespective of the places they belong, many users are reverting your editions. Deepu, who is a constant editor in the Kochi/Kerala related articles, hails from Kochi. But he goes by logical conclusions and is ready to accept facts without any prejuidice.

Hope you understand me. Infact, here in wikipedia, for the countries/states/districts/cities related articles, all are forced to follow the technical statitics which is officially published by the concerned governments.

Whether or not they are derived with vested political interests, an encyclopedia reflects that.

I also agrees that there are more skyscrapers in Kochi than in Tvm. But, we have to follow the official declarations. Please visit the |official city site of Kochi.

You can enter your details about Greater Cochin in the wikipedia articles viz. Urban Agglomeration of Kochi or Kochi Urban Agglomeration or Kochi UA. Infact, all these links redirects to a common page : Kochi UA.

HAPPY EDITING in those pages. Hope you will corporate.

And last but not to be the least; The development of Kochi is not at all dependent upon Wikipedia or your editions. Kochi is a booming economy and you can definitely contribute to that by many means. Wikipedia, or your previous stage Skyscrapercity, cannot block that.

So please refrain from vandalising the pages.

--Samaleks 13:08, 27 July 2006 (UTC)Talk

Please stop hate.Hate will never help you
Dear Nik, You have boycotted Skyscrapercity since the administrators did not allow you for your hate campain. Now you are doing it here. Just tell me one thing. As you know I am working here in Kochi. How can a city with length from Palarivattom to Thevara and breadth from Marine drive to Vytila is larger than a city with length from Sreekaryam to Thiruvallom and breadth from Airport to Vattiyoorkavu?

Also consider the population and wards based on population. Do not try to fool the people. You may be correct that appartment buildings(skyscrappers) are more in Kochi, this is because of the lack of space due to huge water body. In terms of other infrastructure like roads, huge R& D educational campuses and IT, Kochi is nowhere in comparison with Trivandrum. Kochi has advtantages in many other ways.Look at the first green airport,vallarpadom,LNG terminal etc. Understand those facts. Stop this hate campain--Sathyalal 03:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

That's a better tone !
Samalek

You have not mentioned a single instance of my misquoting a fact. I do not agree, like most of the world, if you say that Kochi is the second largest city. It does not matter which city you belong. What matters to me is that you are wrong. I have mentioned this in a talk elsewhere. If you are deciding a city by the boundaries set by politicians, then you will see that they keep changing regularly. This is due to an odious practice by our politicians called gerrymander. So I and 99% of this world, including 99% of Trivandrumites (of course, people like the above "lal" do not belong to this sane majority) go by the word of census authorities, which is the correct technical definition of a city. I treat your opinions with full respect they deserve. For example, CPM kept on expanding Trivandrum corporation because it suited it to win elections, while Congress tried to scuttle it. Both Congress and CPM stalled expansion of Kochi corporation as both were worried over their prospects in elections after expansion.

Final word on this is that technical definition is the one that matters, as proved by JNNURM. '''Kochi was the only city from Kerala to be chosen under JNNURM as a million plus city''', while Tvp'm managed get in only becoz it was capital.

Thanx

RE:State of Art
Hi AlNiko,

Please sign up when you make remarks. Or else, i will find it difficult to reach back to you. Here, Kochi refers to the city corporation of Cochi .See the fact box. The city mayor's name, population, density, etc are entered there. That means the page Kochi is refers to the city corporation of Kochi.

I too agree with some of your arguments. But, since the page is about the corporation, please stop the repeated edits.

There is another page about the Greater Cochin (Vishala Kochi). You can find the page here : Kochi UA.

Post the new projects, and related stuff there. You can expand that page.

Cheers, -- Rajith Mohan :) (Talk to me...) 13:18, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Reason for my revision
Hello Alniko. I thought I'd clarify the reasons for my revision of the Kochi article. The article is written based on the guidelines set by Indian cities Wikiproject, and we have to follow it strictly in order to get the article to featured status. The article has to be dressed up in summary style. When doing that, only the most relevant things should be written on this page. All excess information should be moved to the respective sub pages like Economy of Kochi, Geography of Kochi, where it can be elaborated. Hence, the list of companies in Kochi are to be given in the Economy of Kochi article under the Information Technology section. Another thing to keep in mind is that everything should be written in a neutral way. We need to follow all these policies on wikipedia. I'd really appreciate it if you could list out the problems with this version of the article that is bothering you. We can discuss it out, and then later decide. Please do not keep reverting the article. Looking forward to your reply. -- thunderboltza.k.a.D e epu Joseph05:09, 1 August 2006 (UTC)~

RE: Re: your message
Its OK. Even I am not fully accustomed to the rules and guidelines of Wiki yet. It will become digestable as you proceed. Btw, the Kochi Economy page is here :. You can expand it as it still lacks many info (for eg; the Retail section). You should include only the most relevent points, otherwise, it will appear as an ad.board. Include the links to all the information you are inputting. For eg; if you are including a sentence like, "Infopark is the largest tech park in Asia"; you have to provide the links (official links are more desireable), which confirms that. For any disputed information, discuss in the talk page, and reach in a consensus. Deepu is really trying very hard to get the article on Kochi featured in Wikipedia (there are already two featured articles related to Kerala : Kerala and Black pepper). For getting it featured, we have to comply to the guidlines. It would be better if you can go through those.

By the way sign your notes with ~  (enter 4 tild signs (~) after your notes) or use the signature icon in the edit bar.

Cheers, -- Rajith Mohan :) (Talk to me...) 07:52, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Be Realistic
Dear Nik, If you are trying to say that a park with constructed area of just 4.5 lakh sqft(0.45 million) is the biggest in Asia and crying that people are not allowing you to put that information, imagine what people will think about you

Let me ask one interesting question. Then it should be the park with highest revenue or exports. But why it is a mere 65 cores? It is the smallest I have worked in India.

Please try to be realistic. Please look at the mirror before blaming others.

Also be very specific and tell me what is beyond east of bypass in Kochi? What is there in the south beyond Marad(8 km from the city center). Towards the North east Kakkanadu(just 10 km from the city center) is like a remote village and is included in the population. Towards the north at least up to Kalamassery I agree that it is urbanized. You have to consider that all these areas are included in Kochi population, even though they are less populated compared to Trivandrum suburbs.

But in Trivandrum, Technopark is very populated area and is extended till Attingal(around 36 kms towards north). Tell me, in the stretch (City-Sreekaryam-Kazhakkutom-Technopark-Kaniyapuram-Pallippuram(20 KM) stretch) which area is not populated? Currenty beyond sreekaryam is not included in the TVM population.Similarly south of Trivandrum(Karmana-Balaramapuram-Neyyattinkara-Parassala) is very crowded till the border(around 40 Kms) and East extends up to Vattiyoorkavu and West up to airport. If the politicians do real justice, Trivandrum will be many times larger than Kochi. --Sathyalal 04:49, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Ha... court jester of Wikipedia is here again... thanx for the laugh riot
>>If you are trying to say that a park with constructed area of just 4.5 lakh sqft(0.45 million) is the biggest in Asia and crying that people are not allowing you to put that information, imagine what people will think about you << I hate replying to such jerks. But just to give a sample read the italicised statement quoted above. I dont know how he dared to insert his dumb ideas into my mouth.

Despite being such, what he mentions "makes sense". Trivandrum city is a very crowded area with population density $$ \frac{745,000}{194} = 3850 $$ per sqkm. And thats just the 194 sqkm city corporation. Outwards you move, it wears thinner. Take 632 sqkm icluding Kochi corporation. It has more than 2.5 million population (see Greater Cochin page). That makes population density $$\frac{2500000}{632} = 3955$$. Corporation area has population density $$\frac{650000}{94} = 6914$$per sqkm. Just take 194 sqkm including Kochi corporation it has more than 1.2 million population. Now which is crowded or dense ? Kochi or Trivandrum ? Why is Kochi's boundary smaller than Trivandrum ?

Whatever the answer, I am sure the above lal's head is dense - in fact thick - nothing goes in ! Poor thing is still in the evolution, may have reached anthropoid state at best !

Warning
This is regarding your repeated edits in Kochi, Thiruvananthapuram, Kerala pages. You are reverting the pages constantly, which is against wikipedia's 3-revert rule. Further more, your reverts after so many editions from other users is causing an extreme revert, where all the newer informations are lost. Please stop. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's NPOV policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Furthermore, reinserting the same commentary multiple times may cause you to violate the three-revert rule, which can lead to a block. Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. --Samaleks 06:49, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Alniko, Nikolas - Better you stop vandalizing pages with vested interests or you will be banned

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by User: (talk • contribs).

Warning again
''There have been situations where a user has exhausted the community's patience to the point where he or she finds themselves blocked. Administrators who block in these cases should be sure that there is widespread community support for the block, and should note the block on WP:ANI as part of the review process. With such support, the user is considered banned and must be listed on List of banned users (under "Community"). Community bans must be supported by a strong consensus and should never be enacted based on agreement between a handful of admins or users.''

You're on the vandalism page.

Adhere to the Neutral Point of View
Please stop. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's NPOV policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Furthermore, reinserting the same commentary multiple times may cause you to violate the three-revert rule, which can lead to a block.

Stop your personal attacks
Please do not make personal attacks on other people. Wikipedia has a policy against personal attacks. In some cases, users who engage in personal attacks may be blocked from editing by admins or banned by the arbitration committee. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Please resolve disputes appropriately. Thank you. --Samaleks 11:35, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

You are doing the personal attacks along with your reverts. Stop that, else you will be banned. --Samaleks.. Talk. 08:39, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Stop the reverts and biased edits
And stop your biased analysis which is a form of vandalism. Please respect other's points. The majority of the editors are reverting your edits. That implies that you are the only one trying to create a mess.

Moreover your comments are personal. Hope you will co-operate. Else, I will be forced to take action against you.

--Samaleks.... TALK 11:35, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Not adhering to neutral point of view, Final Warning
This is your last warning. The next time you violate Wikipedia's NPOV rule by inserting commentary or your personal analysis into an article, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. -- Rajith Mohan :) (Talk to me...) 02:38, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

On Mundum Neriyathum: Again
The following comment (appearing in red colour) by me was deleted by the user Samaleks. See the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAlniko&diff=68604711&oldid=68594219

It was confirmed by the user Kjrajesh, who contributed the image, that the lady in the photograph was wearing a mundum neriyathum'' (See south india talk page). I was wrong.MANOJTV 12:07, 9 August 2006 (UTC)''

The above comment was made in the context of an editing war that had been going on in the Kerala page on an image uploaded by the user Kjrajesh. Since the whole thing started with a change made by me, I wanted to interfere and make my stand clear. That is what I did.

But why did Samaleks delete the comment, without even giving an explantation? If s/he is not the same person who appears under the UserID Alniko, he has no right to do so. How can one user delete the comment in a discussion page of some other user?

What right this user (who indulges in vandalism of his own) has to take action against some other user?MANOJTV 06:43, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * It was an accidental deletion. I am very sorry for that. I know very well, that I dont have right to delete the message from another user's talk page. Since, it was not intentional, I hope you will take that up in light spirits.

Thank you. --Samaleks 07:26, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Personal attacks and edit war
This is your last warning. If you continue to make personal attacks or engage in edit war, you may be blocked for disruption. -- thunderboltza.k.a.D e epu Joseph08:09, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Please stop personal attacks
Alniko, please stop your personal attacks. Thiruvananthapuram subburbs are more populated than Kochi. And also Thiruvananthapuram and Kochi are not 1 million cities. That is why they are getting only 80 % of the funds. If you are still not convinced I can cite the relavant articles here. But Trivandrum city is more populated, Subburbs are more populated and even the district is more populated. Please check any official data. Also you did not answer my specific questions.

-- Sathyalal Talk to Sathya 12:49, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Last warning for Alniko
This is your last warning. If you continue to make/ engage in edit war, you may be blocked for disruption. You are continousely removing the picture of Technopark. Also the survey results etc. You run hate blogs against the city and now you are determined to remove the facts from Wiki. This is visible from the way you remove technopark pictures-- Sathyalal Talk to Sathya 12:36, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Aug 11, 2006. Vandal Sathyalal reported to wiki vandalism fight unit.

Again your hate is visible
Alniko, your intentions are clearly visible. You do not have any thing specific.You just wanted to create problems and chaos in Thiruvananthapuram page, because you are jealous of the city and that turned into hatred. (due to same you are running hate blogs against TVM). I could not stop my laugh at your figures put above. Chenkal slum in TVM has population dencity 25000p/sqm). So can I say that TVM population is 25000*194? Your cochin population math is similar like this.Kochi is too small.If you go to Marad or Kumbalam(10 km from the city) population dencity is less than 500. Places like Kizhakkambalam,brahmapuram etc are yet to see human life(they are not far from city).So please do not bluf the people with your own math. In TVM, infrastructure,roads,palaces,sprawling campuses together forms more than the area of Kochi city.People in TVM, work in those sprawling campuses and go to subburbs for their stay. Even if one wishes, he/she can not construct a home at those working places, since they are public properties.That is why city is expanding several kilometers to subburbs.

With more than 80%of IT exports happening from the city,it is growing at much realistic rate than hype. So I can understand your hate.

-- Sathyalal Talk to Sathya 16:22, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Stop vandalising
Stop vandalising talk page. Vandals don't deserve a reply.

Population of Kochi (Census 2001)

Kochi corporation (Area - 94 $$\mbox{km}^2$$ ) ~ 650,000

11 Adjacent villages and Two adjacent municipalities (Area ~ 80 $$\mbox{km}^2$$) - 479070

Total Area ~ 174 $$\mbox{km}^2$$

Total population ~ 1129070

Population density

Corporation area - 6900/$$\mbox{km}^2$$

Corporation plus 11 panchayats and 2 municipalities - 6500/$$\mbox{km}^2$$

(All data from Collectorate of Ernakulam)

Population of Thiruvananthapuram (Census 2001)

Trivandrum corporation (Area - 194 $$\mbox{km}^2$$) ~ 745,000

Population density - 3840/$$\mbox{km}^2$$

Stop the edit war and biased inputs
Dear Alniko,

The page of Kochi is about the Kochi city corporation. Not about the Kochi Urban Agglomeration. Please see the article about Kochi UA.

The biggest city doesnt mean that it should have the largest density of population. Biggest city is dependent upon AREA and POPULATION.

See the below image. This shows what all villages and muncipalities are added to the Kochi Urban Agglomeration. Obviously the places listed below is not in the city of Kochi. Even Chalakkudi and Kodungallur (which is not in Ernakulam district), is included in the Urban Agglomeration of Kochi.

If you dont know about that, please see the PRD site of the government of kerala :

Also see the |world gazetter site



Hope you will corporate with all. These things are already well discussed, and even brought to the notice of the Admins. And now, the things are well settled.

Every body is adhering to the neutral point of fact.

Now, '''you are creating an edit war here. It will not help in stabilizing the articles.''' All other editors feel that you are creating editwars in the pages.

See, you have received so many warnings from several users including Samaleks, Deepujoseph, Sathyalal, etc.

So, it is very clear that the point of view that you are projecting is not acceptable by others. The projection you are making is about the density, which will not count in ranking the biggest city.

When you are making blind reverts, just to include some of your biased points, you are reverting several other constructive changes too..., which have been made after your editions. We are then forced to correct all that again (including the spelling mistakes and other addition of information).

So please stay back from the blind edit wars, which will make you acceptable among the fellow editors.

-- Rajith Mohan :) (Talk to me...) 09:40, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Stop math of your convenience
Alniko, please do not bluff the people with your own math. If you are talking about city population, compare only city population. And also the discussion is only about city popuation.If you are adding near by towns to one city do the same with other. According to your math you should compare TVM+Neyyattinkara+Nedumangadu+Kazakootam+Sreekaryam. That is much more than Kochi UA.

But any way who cares. We have official data. Gov data and all relaible data, then why should one care on fatasies of individuals -- Sathyalal Talk to Sathya 13:41, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Your side
Hi. I would like to learn about your side of the story: Kindly look into this, please. Thanks. --Bhadani 13:36, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I fail to understand the reason fro not responding to even polite messages while you are over-active on few select pages. You may respond here. In case, you do not reply, it may be construed that you do not have anything to say, and roll over the block for a further period shall be in order, depending on the type of edits which you may do after the block expires. I would suggest you to please concentrate on some other pages - wikipedia is so big now that each one, including me, have many options to volunteer our contributions here, unless one has specific reasons, negative or positive, to remain associated with only few pages. I think you are aware of all such matters. --Bhadani 16:57, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Last Warning
Adhere to the Neutral Point of View This is your last warning. The next time you violate Wikipedia's NPOV rule by inserting commentary or your personal analysis into an article, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. -- Rajith Mohan :) (Talk to me...) 14:13, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Last Warning
Violating the 3R rule You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule on. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from further editing. -- Rajith Mohan :) (Talk to me...) 14:13, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Please
Do not accuse users of vandalism when they are doing no such thing. You are liable to be blocked if you continue on this path. --Woohookitty(meow) 15:35, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with this. Can you discuss the Kochi dispute about the largest city in Kerala without claiming vandalism? Feel free to ask questions. Blnguyen | rant-line 05:21, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


 * As per above, you have been blocked for an hour.Blnguyen | rant-line 05:28, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

That is now 31 hours, an extra 30 for doing 5 reverts on Kerala in violation of WP:3RR. Please discuss the issue with other parties when the block expires.Blnguyen | rant-line 05:32, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

It's now 96 hours for 5 reverts on Thiruvananthapuram and 4 on Kochi (India). Blnguyen | rant-line 05:50, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I concur with this block. Please discuss changes such as the ones that you made on the appropriate talk page.  No need to make changes that others disagree with without discussing -- Samir   धर्म 05:51, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I request all the editors to have a look at the edit history. Alniko was removing positive facts about Thiruvananthapuram. He was removing the pictures of Technopark and also some survey results. Last two days he has started editing the 'largest city' as if he is having a dispute on the same.-- Sathyalal Talk to Sathya 07:01, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Alniko, please note that you should avoid doing dramatic changes to pages, particularly the Featured ones like Kerala. Moreover, many of the edit summaries you have used do not conform to the generally accepted convention. Naturally, you shall be blocked for such unusual edits. --Bhadani 16:48, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Block extended to 8 days
For very obvious sock/meatpuppet use through KALM. Please read the policy on Sock puppetry. Thanks. --Woohookitty(meow) 10:35, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, Nick, you were blocked not just for reverting the data on the TVM page, but for deleting correct, referenced and factually verified data on the Kochi and Kerala pages, and for engaging in edit-war and personal attacks. Kochi is a beautiful city. I don't see why you should be ashamed of it being the second biggest corporation in Kerala. Happy to see that you have decided to delete this and this from your blog. Please do not resort to more sock puppetry and please avoid an edit war. -- thunderboltza.k.a.D e epu Joseph12:01, 19 August 2006 (UTC)