User talk:Altanner1991/Archive 2

August 2020
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on List of conspiracy theories; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Bishonen &#124; tålk 03:45, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.


 * Belated apologies. Altanner1991 (talk) 20:31, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at User talk:Bishonen. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted. Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. ''Really? An edit warring warning for having undone you once? And signed with her signature rather than yours?'' Meters (talk) 04:44, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, please discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively, you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
 * If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, please seek assistance at Wikipedia's Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.


 * Sorry about the signature—I copied the template and forgot to change the signature. Altanner1991 (talk) 22:50, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at User talk:Bishonen, you may be blocked from editing. ''Do not restore that again. She undid you once. That is not edit warring. Your warning is inappropriate.'' Meters (talk) 04:46, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
 * If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, seek assistance at Wikipedia's Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.


 * I interpreted edit warring when you contribute in edit warring, so I apologize if that is not the case. Altanner1991 (talk) 04:52, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

August 2022
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Wikipedia:Edit warring. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Sideswipe9th (talk) 03:55, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.


 * Sorry, I now better understand the policy against edit warring. Best, Altanner1991 (talk) 14:36, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi Altanner1991! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor&#32;at Wikipedia:Verifiability that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia—it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Thank you. Jc3s5h (talk) 12:45, 18 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but you're wrong again! Help:Minor edit clearly says "Spelling, grammatical, and punctuation corrections". Altanner1991 (talk) 12:48, 18 August 2022 (UTC)


 * "Does not have a source" has different meaning from "needs a source", and "must be removed" has completely different meaning from "may be removed". Don't edit policy pages without explicit consensus on the talk page. Given your false claims about these edits, I think you should let someone else do it. Zerotalk 12:55, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * How dare you repeat empty information. I'll go ahead and be the one who explains further: The preceding paragraph had just made it clear that *all material needs a source*. What do you have to say against that, Zero? Altanner1991 (talk) 12:58, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll say that you don't know what you are talking about and are begging to get blocked. Zerotalk 13:13, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Jerk. Altanner1991 (talk) 13:16, 18 August 2022 (UTC) ; edited 14:34, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The level of rudeness by Wikipedia administrators is worthy of public outcry. Altanner1991 (talk) 13:26, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * What Admins? You aren’t replying to one. Doug Weller  talk 15:01, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * What? Zero is an Admin. Altanner1991 (talk) 19:00, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Oops, I guess my script didn’t work but I should have remembered. Still, not a good call. Doug Weller  talk 19:07, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes you are right, I agree. Altanner1991 (talk) 19:11, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @Altanner1991 I think what you are missing here is that you have escalated tensions in these discussions, rather than helping approach a consensus or collegial sense of interacting with you as a user. Phrasings like "What do you have to say against that..." and "How dare you..." and "Sorry, but you're wrong again!" are not going to make anyone want to work with you. You should strive to de-escalate tensions with those you disagree with, or at the very least, not escalate them. It has been described to me that Wikipedia is like the most stringent HR-infested corporate cubicle farm workspace. And everything you have ever said on here is recorded in the record of page histories. It's a pretty apt analogy. Overall, it's a bad idea to give others reason to snipe at you, or to believe you are escalating disputes to become worse, because such things will inevitably come back to haunt you. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 19:15, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I feel I have been kinder than anyone else on Wikipedia. Altanner1991 (talk) 19:18, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I would tell you to read WP:1AM which perfectly encapsulates the feeling of believing everyone else is wrong, or that you are the sole person who is being kind or genial. Everyone can be a dick on here, but if you're being a dick and against consensus, it can be a lot more evident and more likely to get you into trouble. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 19:21, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I have seen that essay and it is perhaps the best summary, I have put something similar on my user page because no other "3RR" rule was as clear as the concepts in the link you gave. Thank you Altanner1991 (talk) 19:24, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the words. It seems like things just aren't working out with anyone on Wikipedia, but I will keep trying to do what I can. Altanner1991 (talk) 19:19, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Template:Human genetics. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Rsk6400 (talk) 13:40, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.


 * How dare you say I am edit warring when clearly it goes both ways. Altanner1991 (talk) 13:44, 18 August 2022 (UTC) ; edited 14:33, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I see now that I was edit warring because it is discretionary and not based on 3RR. Sorry it took me so long to understand that. Altanner1991 (talk) 14:33, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Please stop attacking other editors, as you did on Wikipedia_talk:Navigation_template. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Referring to your words, "And Rsk, your contentious stubbornness is frankly worthy of a sitewide block." Rsk6400 (talk) 18:39, 20 August 2022 (UTC)


 * I thought your comment was even more of a personal attack... Altanner1991 (talk) 18:49, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @Altanner1991 I would tell you that WP:ASPERSIONS applies, and you should not resort immediately to insinuating another user should be blocked upon first discussing a topic in a new section. It's a bad look and adds to an appearance of WP:BATTLEGROUNDing. Additionally, the phrasing you used your contentious stubbornness probably violates WP:AGF. Wide latitude is given in such discussions, but repeated insinuation that other editors have bad demeanor is a bad idea.@Jpgordon@Doug Weller@Zero0000 How many disputes must this user engage in on wiki talk before the block is extended to these spaces? The user has been doing quite a bit to dissuade anyone that they understand the nature and intent of their current block. It seems their argumentative style has actually driven other users away from contributing in these areas: And since I had some experience with Altanner1991's way of discussing, I will also add that I'll stand by my view even if I won't take part in this discussion any more - @Rsk6400 — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 18:57, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Rsk's comment against me was uncalled for and was very much a personal attack. I was trying to respond like admins or perhaps experienced editors. Altanner1991 (talk) 19:06, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:ASPERSIONS tells us that one should not resort to suggesting others should be blocked when disagreeing on talk pages, especially wiki talk. Rather, if there is a bad pattern of behavior, you should just bring it to the user's talk page or directly to a board like WP:ANI or WP:AE. Talking about other users in this way during a discussion discourages them from participating in a way not conducive to collaboration. If they've done something wrong, do something about it, don't threaten them with interventions. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 19:08, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, I will do my best to remember that. Thank you. Altanner1991 (talk) 19:12, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Best behavior
Altanner1991, I wonder if you aware that you have attracted the attention and comments of five different admins, just in the last two days. Scary. In my opinion, you're at the very edge, and you can't afford a single misstep. I'd be very, very careful, and stay on your best behavior&mdash;now, and for the foreseeable future if you want to continue editing here. And I'm pretty sure you do want to, because the best thing you have going for you, is that you are clearly WP:HERE to improve the encyclopedia based on what I've seen of your edits at List of monarchs of France. You've had some serious hiccups which I won't belabor here, but if you can manage to avoid a repetition, you just might be able to avoid falling into the abyss. This will require a change in your previous pattern, and it probably won't be easy; I hope you can manage that. If you want to discuss this, feel free to contact me at my talk page, or if you prefer to discuss privately, click the 'Email this user' in the left sidebar of my Talk page. One tip right off: if you're not sure what to say in any given situation, don't say anything; silence will hardly ever get you in trouble. (Including now.) Good luck, Mathglot (talk) 23:34, 20 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the inspiring words. Indeed, it has been a crazy experience. Hopefully it will get better, but unfortunately, it looks like sheer discipline (and occasionally, "hateful" liberalism, as opposed to good liberalism) has replaced "just finding results". Wikipedia was a good place, but it is not a good place anymore. Best, Altanner1991 (talk) 07:39, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * See Law of Holes. I'm sure you know about AgF, you don't seem to mind violating it. Doug Weller  talk 08:16, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Look, we have been dealing with this crap for the whole six years that I've been on Wikipedia. Maybe it's time for the sitewide indef? Altanner1991 (talk) 08:26, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, maybe, or alternatively you could use our processes. I was disappointed that you completely ignored my suggestions for dispute resolution at List of French monarchs above. Bishonen &#124; tålk 10:06, 21 August 2022 (UTC).
 * I took the suggestion to step away from that issue, but will consider such means. Thank you. Altanner1991 (talk) 10:09, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Ouch. Sigh... Regarding, "was a good place", do you know about the parable of the two travelers? Best, Mathglot (talk) 22:09, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Right back on you. Altanner1991 (talk) 08:22, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

A feller just has to be as relaxed as possible in any 'content' dispute. If things appear to be getting 'too intense'? practice silence or merely walk away from the dispute (since one's already made their stance), entirely. Take for example the List of French monarchs page. IMHO, the coat of arms should be restored, in the top infobox & all maps discarded. If the consensus there, is to do the opposite? Not a problem to me, as no matter what happens, my toes are still tappin'. GoodDay (talk) 13:20, 21 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Agreed—WP:NODEADLINE Altanner1991 (talk) 13:42, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

I am sorry
I am sorry for my spontaneous aggression throughout the past. I was concerned about corruption, but I promise that my spontaneous aggression will not happen anymore, because I have the desire to be a good editor, and to be a good person. Best regards, Altanner1991 (talk) 20:17, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Your heart is in the right place, and you clearly have the ability to contribute good content, but you sometimes get into the oddest of dust-ups, occasionally comical, like the one you had with recently at Talk:Harvard University, or one you had with me further back that started acrimoniously (at my TP, here and here), went on in the same vein at the article TP for a while (here and here), before ending quite on a friendly basis (diff), which was good to see.
 * Being a good editor is a good goal, and if you continue to pay attention to Wikipedia policies and guidelines, in particular behavioral ones, and strive to maintain your equanimity when interacting with other editors especially when some kind of content disagreement is involved, you should be fine. Good luck! Mathglot (talk) 00:52, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I think it would be better to not continue raising disparagements (see: your edit summary). Altanner1991 (talk) 12:01, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

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