User talk:Altiflash

September 2021
Hello, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. This is just a note to let you know that I've moved the draft that you were working on to Draft:Democratic schools, from its old location at User:Altiflash/sandbox. This has been done because the Draft namespace is the preferred location for Articles for Creation submissions. Please feel free to continue to work on it there. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to ask me on my talk page. Thank you. -Liancetalk/contribs 14:06, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Democratic schools (September 11)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by S0091 were:

The comment the reviewer left was:

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S0091 (talk) 03:34, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Less is more
I agree that for a start, delete a LOT of the content that was copied from Democratic Education: Theorists, See also and Further reading. A "See" link to Democratic education will suffice. And have a link to that List of article. If your draft is accepted, the reviewer will remove the redirect to the List article. Delete Notable former pupils. Notability is not contagious. The Lead and Definition need to be paragraphs, not a list/bullets. Lots of the content is not referenced. In all, you have taken on a large task. Persevere. David notMD (talk) 09:53, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Tanks for your advice :)--Altiflash (talk) 10:01, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi David notMD I have tried to implement all your advice. But with the lead I have the problem that it would be a very very long sentence if I would leave the content the same. I'm not quite happy with it, but this is my best suggestion:

"A Democratic school is a democratically run alternative school, where classes are voluntary and learning is self-directed and takes place without a curriculum. As many aspects of school life as possible are regulated on a democratic basis, with students and teachers each having one vote. Students can move freely at school as long as they do not violate the rules set up by the community.

The term was first used by the Democratic School of Hadera in 1987."

Do you think it fits?

You also meant that the list/bullets in the definition should be written as paragraphs. But this is the officiall definition of the EUDEC (European Democratic Education Community). So I need to use the list, right?. --Altiflash (talk) 10:36, 18 September 2021 (UTC) Numbering better than bullets if a quote. For LEad, aim for 2-3 parapgraphs of some length. Good luck. David notMD (talk) 11:08, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Democratic schools (September 28)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Mikehawk10 was:

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— Mikehawk10 (talk) 04:52, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Democratic schools
Hello, Altiflash. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:Democratic schools, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again&#32;or request that it be moved to your userspace.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 18:40, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Democratic schools


Hello, Altiflash. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Democratic schools".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 04:55, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Democratic School (April 25)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Jeromeenriquez was:

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Jeromeenriquez (talk) 18:45, 25 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi Jeromeenriquez,
 * Thank you for taking the time to review my submission. Is it possible ask a few follow-up questions here?
 * Prior to submitting the draft, I had asked the following question in the sandbox:
 * "I'd like to improve the article "Democratic Education" and have read in the Talk article discussion that the article should be split into Democratic School and Democratic Education, with a new definition for the latter. I wrote a draft for the new "Democratic School" article here in my Sandbox ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Altiflash/sandbox   ) and also recommended a few changes for Democratic Education. However, I wouldn't want to delete the parts from "Democratic Education" that I adopted into the Democratic School article until the "Democratic School" article has been reviewed and approved. If I publish "Democratic School" now, though, there may be criticism that the topic is already covered by "Democratic Education"."
 * The answer was to go ahead and submit the draft.
 * Now what I feared would happen has happened. Would it be possible to accept the "Democratic school" article on the condition that the "Democratic education" article is edited to remove the overlap? Altiflash (talk) 20:54, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Jeromeenriquez Altiflash (talk) 16:59, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Jeromeenriquez Altiflash (talk) 17:01, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Dear friend,
 * The content in both the articles was similar thats the reason it was deleted. I think you need to provide different material for different topics. If you are writing about 'Democatic Education" then you shpuld write completly about it. And when you write about 'Democratic School' it shoud be about the functionality of the school and you should write enough content. You can resubmit the artcle and improve it and let me know how i can help further. Thanks Jeromeenriquez (talk) 19:29, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi @Jeromeenriquez,
 * Thanks so much for your quick reply and offer to help. I'm not sure how to improve the article as you recommended, without first making changes to the "Democratic Education" article. Which means deleting information, which will not be allowed by a reviewer. Is there any way I can submit both new articles (an edited "Democratic Education" and a new "Democratic School") at the same time so that you, or another reviewer, can see what makes them distinct? This might be a classic issue faced when trying to split an existing article into two distinct topics. Again, this is a change that the Wikipedia community has been asking for (see Talk page of "Democratic Education"), and I am simply trying to implement. Altiflash (talk) 21:20, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * hi @Altiflash,
 * submit both and let me know. lets see. make changes to both. Jeromeenriquez (talk) 10:03, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Jeromeenriquez Altiflash (talk) 21:22, 1 May 2024 (UTC)