User talk:Altruism/Archive 1

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Tellapadu
I've put the text here. I suggest that you review it before recreating; at present it doesn't say which country it's in! The title isn't protected, so you can recreate at any time jimfbleak 11:51, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I have recreated. Can you give us more context? However, see above for some hints and tips for successfully contributing to Wikipedia!!! --Ta bu shi da yu 22:38, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

indian geography
Do get in contact with User:Ganeshk or post a message on WT:INB (the india notice board). Baka man  02:51, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

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Okay. What articles areyou talking about?

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John Reaves (talk) 10:33, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Start a discussion at WP:RFD. John Reaves (talk) 10:52, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * If you can make a reliable, sourced articles, let me know and I'll unprotect. John Reaves (talk) 11:30, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Please use the preview button before saving instead of making several edits in a row. Link are made with square brackets ( for example article makes article). John Reaves (talk) 11:33, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Your message

 * 1) As a courtesy to other editors, it is a Wikipedia guideline to sign your posts on talk pages, user talk pages, and WikiProject pages. To do so, simply add four tildes ( ~ ) at the end of your comments and your user name or IP address and the date will be automatically added along with a timestamp. Signing your comments helps people to find out who said something and provides them with a link to your user/talk page (for further discussion). For further info, read Talk page guidelines. Thank you.
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 * 3) If you leave spaces at the beginning of lines, it messes up the formatting.
 * 4) If you're talking about an article, you should link to it (and all-capitals counts as shouting, and doesn't help).
 * 5) It's no good complaining that your edits were reverted as uncited on the basis that there are sources out there and I could look them up. It's your responsibility to give sources for your edits.
 * 6) You should also familiarise yourself with our other guidelines and policies, especially those to do with how an article is presented and formatted. Yes, articles are there to provide (reliable, sourced) information, but they should do so clearly, otherwise the purpose is thwarted.
 * 7) When editing an article on Wikipedia there is a small field labeled "Edit summary" under the main edit-box. It looks like this: [Image:Edit_Summary-2.png|Edit summary text box]] The text written here will appear on the Recent changes page, in the page revision history, on the diff page, and in the watchlists of users who are watching that article. See m:Help:Edit summary for full information on this feature. Filling in the edit summary field greatly helps your fellow contributors in understanding what you changed, so please always fill in the edit summary field, especially for big edits or when you are making subtle but important changes, like changing dates or numbers. Thank you.  --Mel Etitis  ( Talk ) 10:49, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I take it that you haven't read the material to which I linked, especially WP:CITE. It's Wikipedia policy that you provide sources.  There's nothing untidy or messy about doing that, if you do it correctly; if you don't know how to do it, just ask.    What you can't so is make edits and then say to other editors and readers "look it up for yourselves &mdash; you can Google it". --Mel Etitis  ( Talk ) 11:33, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps you could post the changes that you want to make at the Talk page, together with the sources, and they can be discussed and edited before beingincorporated into the article. --Mel Etitis ( Talk ) 12:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Tellapadu
I have unprotected and reverted back to the way it was before the revert. I'm going to leave it like that for a week - if you could source it properly (refer to WP:CITE for more info) then I will leave it be. If not, I'll revert it back. If you need more time, please let me know and I'll take that into consideration. - Ta bu shi da yu 08:51, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I've seen the above, and i'm happy with that, jimfbleak 12:07, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Your message
I'm glad that we seem to be reaching some sort of agreement. There are just two things. First, please use the edit summary, as requested by Wikipedia guidelines; it's a courtesy to other editors (and it makes it less likely that your edits will be reverted). Secondly, it's certainly true that some facts can't be given sources, as they're not written about anywhere; Wikipedia policy means that they can't be included &mdash; it's one of the drawbacks of the system (though it can also be a strength). Of the points you mention in your message, only the third can't be placed in the article ("H[e] was survived by two sons and a daughter. The group was split among [the late V. Maruthi Rao, V. Lakshmana Dutt, and Smt. Rajeswari Ramakrishnan. (These are facts heard, verified and re-verified by me from several sources)").

To add sources, use the referencing system; for example:


 * KCP was founded under the name "Krishna Commercial Products".

The reference will appear in the "Notes" section as:

I can't actually find the original name anywhere on that site, though; could you give a more precise reference?

Incidentally, I've created a disambiguation page at Ramakrishna (disambiguation); you might want to see if I've missed any articles. --Mel Etitis ( Talk ) 09:42, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Signature
AFAIK, you can use any font that you have on your computer, just change the font face name in the edit.

 Jimfbleak . talk .05:24, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you -- Altruism  To talk    06:59, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * also if you don't have a particular font, it's normally possible to find it on the web and download to the windows font folder.  Jimfbleak . talk . jimfbleak  07:16, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey, thanks!
I only just noticed your barnstar... thanks Altruism! - Ta bu shi da yu 12:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Apology
Dear Altruism, while editing Malik Maqbul, I messed up the article.

Please restore the original. While doing so, please incorporate the changes I attempted to do. Ramachandrarao provided a very uncharitable account of Gannama Nayak. Gannama was forcibly converted to Islam like Harihara, Bukka and Jagannatha Pandit. The brothers were sent to subdue Housala Kings and Maqbul was initially sent to Multan and later to Warangal to subdue Kapaneedu.

References: 1. Kammavari Charitra (in Telugu language) by K. B. Chowdary, 1939. Revised Edition (2006), Pavuluri Publishers, Guntur 2. Sarma, M. Somasekhara; A Forgotten Chapter of Andhra History 1945, Andhra University, Waltair.

Please delete Ramachandrarao's references. There was no evidence to show Gannama's treachery. N G Ranga does not have any relevance to the article. Ramachandrarao tried to attribute his comments to N G Ranga.Kumarrao 07:53, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Request
As a continuation of the above message, I would like to request you to wikify the article Kamma (caste) as I am unable to place the references in proper Wiki format.

Lok Satta cut/paste move.
While repairing links to disambiguation page (You can help!), I noticed the "Lok satta" pages kept showing up on my list even though I had repaired the dab link. After clicking around the various pages, I found the redirect "Lok sotta" that still had the article text in the edit page which was causing my problem. I figured out that you had moved the page to "Lok Satta". The problem is that you did a cut and paste move which now has to be fixed by an admin with a history merge. Please, in the future use the "move" tab to move articles so that the history of the article stays in tact. Thanks RobDe68 03:53, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * History has been merged. Just so you know what I mean, there is nothing wrong with moving an article to the proper name. Just make sure that you use the "move" tab instead of cutting and pasting. When you cut and paste, the history of the article stays with the redirect. Wikepedia wants the history to move with the article. That's why I had to request the history merge. No big deal, just wanted to give you a heads-up. thanks, RobDe68 19:07, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Dhabiha Halal and Kashrut
You added a marker on the Comparison of Dhabiha Halal and kashrut page indicating disputed neutrality. On topics with many points of view, the page tries to include them -- can you please explain why you added the tag? TLMD13 15:25, 31 May 2007 (UTC)TLMD13

Vasireddy Seethadevi
No. I did not know her. I read her novels and heard her long back in Kurnool in 1972.Kumarrao 06:08, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Malik Maqbul
1. There was no evidence to say Ganna colluded with Muslims. Ramachandrarao did not have one.

2. Ramachandrarao's article betrays an undercurrent of prejudice towards 'Kamma'.

3. Ramachandrarao draft article on Telugu history is not a true historical account.

4. Maqbul did not have an opportunity to reconvert like Hakka & Bukka who were sent back to south. Maqbul was sent to Punjab.

5. K B Choudary did 14 years of research on various inscriptions, museum records, historical accounts, manuscripts etc just to write his book.

6. I did not make any statement that Kammas were against Muslim rule. The Telugu nayaks (all communities) were only trying to protect their land, faith, customs, traditions, way of life et. against an alien faith. One gets used to aliens and their habits in due course of time. The first encounter with a violent stranger always goes towards protecting yourself. That was what happened in 1320s.

I managed to repair the damage done in the article. Thank you Kumarrao 06:48, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Madurai Nayaks
The caste affiliation of Madurai nayaks is a controversial topic. I found some evidence that they belonged to Balija caste. Please see the Talk page of Madurai nayaks. Earlier, I made some corrections to that effect. I even advised some users to avoid the prominent mention of the caste in the article. I was ignored. I read long back that Tirumala Ramachandra wrote in 'Bharathi' that Madurai Nayaks were Kammas. I am unable to get that reference now. Kumarrao 07:17, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Ramachadrarao's bias and ignorance
I. In the early kakatiya times there is no trace of any kamma. During Kakatiya Ganapati's times, there was disorder and confusion in rajasthan gujarat. An accomplished soldier migrated from Dhar to Warangal and took up employment under the Kakatiyas. He soon became the commander in chief. His name was Gangeya Sahini. He is called the founder of the kayastha vamsa, and there seems to be some link to the marathi CKP community (Chandraseniya Kayastha Prabhus) (e.g. Bal Thakre).

Gangeya Sahini can be considered the founder of the important section of Kammas whose names end in -neni today.

Reply:

1.This is absolute falsehood. See Kammanadu article. People living in Kammanadu, the inscriptions of which are available from 3rd century CE, were Kammas.

2. Kammas did not have anything to do with Kayasthas. Sahni/Sawhney cannot become 'Neni'. All Telugu historians/linguists trace 'Neni' from Nayudu/Nayani/Nayuni/Neni. Some linguists trace the surnames 'Pemmasani, Kolasani, chalasani, Lakkasani etc from 'Sahni' but this is controversial.

II. And kammas, no evidence of any kamma states is found : the early leaders of the rebellion against sultans, Musunuri Kaapaya Nayaka and Prolaya Nayaka never wrote anywhere that they had any link to the kamma community. (Most likely they were Kapus.) This does not mean there were no kamma nayaks during those times : they certainly were active. The kammas as such were unlucky, they did NOT found their own state: only a handful could manage to grab large landholdings: so it seems they turned their attention and energies to trade and farming. They did very well.( I have not found any evidence that Musunuri Kaapaya Nayaka had any connection to kammas, except that surname is also found among Kammas and other communities today too. It is a common village name 'of Musunur'.)

Reply: This is where Ramachandrarao could not conceal his prejudice. Not only that, he tried to distort history.

1. All historians agree that Musunuri Nayaks were Kammas. Surname 'Musunuri' exists only in Kammas and Brahmins of A.P., K B Choudary established unequivocally that Musunuris were Kammas. Historians such as BSL Hanumantha Rao, M. Somasekhara sarma and Durga Prasad agreed to his view point. Musunuris ruled Warangal for 50 years. It is because of people like Ramachandrarao, Andhra history does not have a chapter in the name of Musunuris, whose sacrifices are unparalleled in Telugu history.

2. Ramachandrarao alleged that a 'handful' of Kammas 'grabbed' landholdings. What a perfidy and ignorance of Telugu history? Is it not a veiled attack on Kammas?

III. Are they impatient, forward looking, leftist, creative, artistic, bold, a young and rebellious "anti-brahmanical" caste/community

Reply: This is a common accusation made against Kammas. Ramachandrarao was no exception. Kammas were/are never against Brahmins. A progressive community which looks beyond archaic shackles of rituals cannot be branded against a group of people but certainly against some traditions.

I hope I made my point.

Please also see my dispassionate contributions on all aspects of Andhra history, Telugu people, castes, battles etc. I made extensive editing of Velama and am currently working on Reddy. Kumarrao 07:55, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Natural instinct
When someone feels threatened by another person or a group trying to make inroads into various walks of life, it is natural to react. However, that should not cross socially acceptable boundaries. Unfortunately, enterprising social gropus of A.P., were victims of false propaganda. Incidentally, I studied in the college (Tenali) named after the great man you wrote about.Kumarrao 10:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

V S R College
I studied Intermediate in 1969-1971 (first batch of new Intermediate course). V V Giri, then President of India and a close associate of VR, visited our college and gave a speech praising the qualities of VR, which I vividly remeMber even today. You must include his association with V V Giri in your aricle on VR. Kumarrao 12:25, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Name
The college was named after Velivolu Seetha Ramaiah and Nannapaneni Venkata Rao.(http://www.vsrnvr.ac.in/home.swf). Kumarrao 06:43, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for the Barnstar. Kumarrao 06:45, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Association
VR made a very generous donation to the college library. Sri V V Giri laid the foundation stone of the library. I am clueless about the exact nature of VR's association. I shall find out.Kumarrao 07:10, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Tellpadu
I've added some tags to Tellapadu because it doesn't meet wikipedia's quality standards. I would like to highlight few things:
 * 1) Please don't add your name in articles (even as a comment)
 * 2) All articles should adhere to no original research. The details about famous personalities do not have any citations to support them.
 * 3) Please avoid weasel words in articles (e.g: "believed to have").

I see that you are relatively new to wikipedia and would need some time to get used to it. Also discuss things before bluntly reverting. Please see WP:AGF. --(Sumanth|Talk) 10:24, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I never doubted your good intentions. It was clear that you were new and not fully aware of quality guidelines. The tags are obvious for any experienced user. Reliable references include either published books or reliable websites. Please see WP:CITE. --(Sumanth|Talk) 10:47, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I've added a list of changes to be done. Please see Talk:Tellapadu. I hope I've cleared your doubts.--(Sumanth|Talk) 10:55, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Original name
How is Tellapadu prnounced in telugu (officially?) Is it తెల్లపాడు or తెల్లబాడు?--(Sumanth|Talk) 11:15, 6 June 2007 (UTC)