User talk:Altruism/Archive 3

Jayappa
Right. Jayappa is the Telugu name but written as Jayapa in English like so many other names. Akkappa, Ankappa, Ankineedu, Ankamma etc are pure Telugu names of our ancestors. Akkineni, Akkamaneni etc are derivatives. Kumarrao 06:41, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes. We can merge both the articles. Naramma and Peramma are pure Telugu names. Naramamba and Peramamba are sanskritized names. Chebrolu is a historic village famous for its association with Telugu chodas. Number of Choda and Chalukyan inscriptions were found in Chebrolu temples. Pedda Kamma (royal clans) surnames such as Vasireddy, Suryadevara and Yarlagadda are found there. All these people are the descendents of illustrious warriors and kings. Pinna Choda means younger choda. Chodu name probably is not correct. Velanadu is the region north of Krishna river (basically Krishna and West Godavari districts). The boundaries of Kammanadu & Velanadu were fluid often overlapping each other. Most of the Telugu Chodas of Kammanadu merged with Kammas after Kakatiya Ganapatideva's victory over Vengi. The Chodas of Velanadu gave rise to Telaga caste. Surnames such as Choda, Chode, Chodasetty etc in Telaga group point this possibility. Choda and Chode surnames are present in Kamma group too.Kumarrao 10:20, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

---Vengi (Pedavegi) is on the border of Krishna and West Godavari districts. As I said overlap was always there. But Velandu certainly did not extend beyond Guntur dt. The kingdom's influence might haveKumarrao 11:36, 21 June 2007 (UTC).

---Yes. To some extent. Only those residual Chodas of Kammanadu merged into Kamma. The larger section present in Krishna & Godavari regions evolved into Telaga. The affinity between Kamma and Velama is more pronounced. Kumarrao 11:42, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

-- I added a new section on ancestry in Kamma article. I am still finding it difficult to insert references amidst the text. Kumarrao 12:13, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

--Yes. It is. Basically Pedakammas are from ruling or warrior clans such as Vasireddy, Suryadevara, Ravella, Pemmasani etc., Others are Chinakammas. Paruchuri is another very old clan. You can buy K B Choudary's book (recent edition) from Guntur. I shall give the address in the next message. Translation of this book is a very good idea. We can take it up eventually. 'Velugoti vari vamsavali' is an old treatise on the history of velamas. Velugoti clan migrated to Vijayanagar empire after Bahmanis vanquished Velama kingdoms. It was translated by historians such as N. Venkataramanayya. Kumarrao 09:48, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Editing
I am editing Kamma (caste) by inserting references. Notes and references are getting duplicated. How to avoid this?Kumarrao 13:13, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

---Made a few additions in Velagapudi Ramakrishna. Kumarrao 18:29, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Tell me what you think...
Can you provide some input on the following discussion? [] I'm trying to merge all historical race articles into a single all encompassing article and I'd appreciate some input. Most of the articles to be merged are stubs or articles bulked up with uncited information and it would benefit to have them all condensed into a single article detailing the historical concepts of race. Thanks.  Wikidudeman  (talk) 18:15, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Genetics
I read the paper earlier. Not of much relevance. Sample size was too small. The methodology was old. A systematic study of major castes of A.P., with large sample number and recent techniques is needed.Kumarrao 13:05, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Comments
Please read my input in the talk page of Telugu language and give your comments.Kumarrao 18:36, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunate
Telugu language, history, articles etc., have become orphans and victims of terror in Wikipedia. In general, certain gangs of Users have colluded with each other and stymying a great global effort "Wikipedia". Kumarrao 20:03, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Tags
I edited Musunuri Nayaks and added in line references. How to get the tags removed? Kumarrao 11:37, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Tags
1.The methodology was wrong and single nucleotide polymorphisms are not reliable indicators.

2. Yes. The tags at the top.

3. I think Wiki needs much stronger safeguards to prevent misuse. The provisions made in good faith for writing and editing articles are being exploited by a few. The current situation is that if I catch hold of a couple of books published in my backyard and copiously cite them page by page as separacte citations, which will run into a few hundreds, I can make a featured article and earn a handful of barnstars from my friends. This includes websites by ameteurs and bloggers (Of course, I confess that I cited a few websites myself, while strongly believing that the contributors were impartial). I hope this practice is not as rampant as the one I noticed. It all depends on how unbiased and impassionate one is, especially dealing with history.Kumarrao 12:08, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks. I started editing Andhra History, which may take quite a bit of time. Please provide inputs.Kumarrao 12:36, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Archive box
Thanks for the box. It does look pretty!! The link article History of Andhra is in Andhra Pradesh. Kumarrao 13:04, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Sock puppetry
Unfortunately I did not know many Wiki safeguards. My ignorance was exploited by some persons to threaten me and use intemperate language against me etc., They have succeeded in reverting many of my edits. One learns with setbacks.Kumarrao 10:22, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, definitely. How long can genuine, unbiased users tolerate these things? -- Altruism To talk  12:07, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

---I also have a strong feeling that either 'all of them' or 'some of them' (User names) are one individual. I also made a request for investigation. I do not know if it helps. My earlier request to four administrators fell on deaf ears. Kumarrao 14:28, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Re:Telugu script
Sorry. I currently do not have time for dispute resolution. I suggest you go through Resolving disputes and see if it helps -- Third opinion is a good option. Regards, Ganeshk  ( talk ) 15:50, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Saved the day
Both the users User:Sumanth and User:Lotlil have saved the day for me and the dignity of Telugu language. There cannot be more authentic references than these five (cited above) in favour of Telugu-Kannada script. They happen to be the most authentic pieces of work from a great scholar of Dravidian languages (Krishnamurty) and a great epigraphist (Sarkar). Although I was aware of them I could not get these references and had to face the most unreasonable attacks on me. I wasted considerable amount of my valuable time pointing towards the Tables T1a and T1b (Adluri's reference) again and again but a group of persons conveniently ignored that. I visited National Museum in New Delhi and the gallery on Indian scripts there thrice. All the displays mentioned Bhattiprolu script and evolution of Telugu-Kannada script. I noticed nowhere "old Kannada" script. Unfortunately, I could not get a book relating to this information. Nor was I allowed to photograph the display charts. I mentioned this in my discussion and speculated that "old Kannada" usage was invented by some biased scholars which crept into books and websites including that of Adluri. I hope this group will now stop vandalizing Telugu articles. They can certainly use "old Kannada" on the basis of three or four websites available for them but must refrain from claiming that Telugu script evolved from that of Kannada. I have added all these new references now. If anyone vandalizes the article again I shall request for blocking such Users.Kumarrao 19:59, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Brahmic family
Please watch for vandals prowling. I provided six recent and authentic references in the article but my edit is reverted.Kumarrao 07:46, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Vepachedu
Thank you for the info. I was mistaken. Kumarrao 10:29, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Good article
It was good but the author fumbled on a few historical facts such as the derivation of "Neni".Kumarrao 14:31, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Hai
Hai Altruism,

I accidently came upon your profile.I admit that i too have bad experiences from these bunch of guys.They always alter articles like Malayalee etc.Not only Telugu Wikipedians but we, Malayalee Wikipedians are fed up of them.I doubt their intentions very much.They are keen to promote their languages in cost of others.These people are language fundamentalists and interfere in any articles that has a slight touch with Kannada and Karnataka.For further information pls look talk pages and page histories of Mangalore, Bangalore,Kasaragod,Kasaragod Tulu,Mappila Malayalam etc.You will understand.

ARUNKUMAR P.R 04:51, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Taking turns
Users are taking turns to revert my edits to Brahmic family in which I cited six authentic sources for Telugu-Kannada script. I am probabley being baited to make series of reverts.Kumarrao 08:05, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Intolerance
Tremendous amount of intolerance is discenible in Wiki articles related to Kannada. Even the most logical and harmless inputs are being deleted ruthlessly and that too by persons taking turns in doing so. I am at a loss to understand their behaviour and am exasperated by their attitude. We used to see this kind of high-handedness in fifties and sixties, exhibited by Tamils (Tamils should excuse me). It is incredible to believe that Kannadigas, reputed to be very pleasant and reasonable people, are doing this. May be, a couple of persons with multiple Usernames and IP addresses are engaged in this practice.Kumarrao 08:53, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Your Edits
I appreciate your edits and for spending time on the two articles. I downplayed the caste affinity to assuage the prejudices of a large number of vandals. It is OK now.Kumarrao 09:54, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

--Please see Narla Tata Rao and Raja of Muktyala.Kumarrao 18:13, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Raja of Muktyala
-Yes. Muktyala Raja was an unsung hero of A.P., I shall gather some info about both the stalwarts. I am not aware of Moturi family. This time, your guess was wrong.Kumarrao 09:59, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Telugu script
--Although Telugu script article was copied from a website the article has very good info. How to retain it? Kumarrao 10:35, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

---Editing Telugu script. Vandals may be on the prowl. Kumarrao 10:06, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Telugu script, sources
---Could you please place the chart of evolution of Telugu script by downloading it from either (http://tdil.mit.gov.in/TelugulScriptDetailsApr02.pdf) or (http://www.engr.mun.ca/~adluri/telugu/language/script/script1d.html). This has to be placed in the section on "Evolution" in the article Telugu script. Kumarrao 10:19, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

--I made a request to Zamkudi not to delete the figures of the inscriptions but he did it. Can we find alternate sources for the same? We may approach User: Bsskchaitanya who originally placed these figures.Kumarrao 12:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

---Minor changes in Kotha Raghuramaiah and Makineni. I came to know that V. Indira Dutt is the daughter of Muktyala Raja.Kumarrao 16:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Excellent Pictures on Guntur
Thanks for the feedback. Yes I try my best to give Guntur what it deserves in a very generic fashion. I have been involved with Guntur and its articles as early as 2005 using 'gpics', 'gnt'. I have been also creating many sub articles and categories for Guntur. Thanks for your cooperation. gpics 3:00PM EST, Princeton.

My edits
Please see the message I have left for Kumarrao. I have also left a message on Telugu script discussion page.Dineshkannambadi 02:54, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Guntur
Hello Altruism,

Can you pls verify wether Guntur Urban Agglomeration has a population above 8.5 lakhs?

Pls reply...

ARUNKUMAR P.R (talk · contribs) 08:30, 13 August 2007 (UTC)