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A pie for Pie
Thank you Murry1975 for the pie! AlwynJPie (talk) 01:50, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Republic of Ireland revision
I redid my edits with explanations. Don't take that as hostile reverting. Feel free to revert them all, or the specific edits you disagree with. Regards, Rob984 (talk) 15:34, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Republic of Ireland
Alwyn, I've close that discussion on Talk:Republic of Ireland. Wikipedia talk pages are intended to discuss specific changes to articles. However, the discussion had already gone deep down a rabbit hole of general discussion. I hope you understand why I took the action I did, --Tóraí (talk) 22:08, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

I don't agree that the discussion entitled Southern Ireland pertaining to the name of the Republic of Ireland should have been closed at this stage. There were still many issues needing to be resolved. AlwynJPie (talk) 22:24, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

History in the lead of Ireland
The stuff you stuck in was undue - the paragraph about history is already the largest in the lead and the bit you stuck in isn't even described in the body of the article. The appropriate place for that is in the section "Revolution and steps to independence" and I have no objections to it going there, it would still not be important enough to go into the lead though. Dmcq (talk) 12:25, 7 November 2014 (UTC)


 * The stuff I stuck in the lead was to help the subsequent paragraphs make sense to those unaware of the origins of the state. AlwynJPie (talk) 01:33, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Middlesex
We have to deal with the world as it is not as it was fifty years ago. It's misleading to readers to suggest that Middlesex still exists as a county in any meaningful sense. Sorry, that's just the way it is. Philafrenzy (talk) 00:12, 22 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, thank goodness that more reliable sites disagree with such Frenzied assertions. Howard Alexander (talk) 13:37, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * You go and live in the fantasy world of Wikishire, I will continue to live in the real world of 2015. Philafrenzy (talk) 13:50, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Nine of of ten letters to my home have Middlesex in the address. AlwynJPie (talk) 04:01, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

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Howdy. Recommend you read up on WP:INDENT, concerning posts on talkpages :) GoodDay (talk) 02:40, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks GoodDay AlwynJPie (talk) 04:02, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Southern Ireland
Please don't start pushing your "Southern Ireland" views again, as you did here and here. You know that you have aired these views repeatedly on several talk pages and/or in edit summaries and that there has been a solid consensus against them every time. Continuing to flog a dead horse is disruptive. Scolaire (talk) 08:05, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you Scolaire for your responces. All the edits I have done are to clarify the facts. Everything I have put has been factual. For example the lead in the article "Names of the Irish State" implied that the Free State only included the 26 counties when, in fact, the Free State originally included Northern Ireland as well as the current state. I improve articles by clarifying the facts and correcting errors. I am not trying to push anything or to "flog a dead horse" as you put it. The term Southern Ireland was the name given to what is now the sovereign state when the island was partitioned in 1921. I have no political axe to grind. Southern Ireland is not an obscene or offensive term, it is an important part of our history, and I can see no good reason to eliminate or surpress its use. AlwynJPie (talk) 19:14, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I didn't say you had a political axe to grind, but you clearly have an axe to grind, and it's not healthy for the project. What you are adding is not factual; it is your version of reality, which is at odds with everybody else's version of reality. Southern Ireland is not an important part of our history. It is a very insignificant part of our history. It was an idea that never got off the ground, and I would be astonished if any writer ever has devoted more than a few paragraphs to it. You are indeed flogging a dead horse by continuing to insist on its importance, and when you "clarify the facts", knowing your edits are against consensus, you are being disruptive.  Scolaire (talk) 21:45, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you once again Scolaire for your comments. Everything I have said is factual. As I have said before the use of the term Southern Ireland as a place name for the 26 counties is very common. The Wikipedia article Southern Ireland is misleading in that nobody would seriously use the term Southern Ireland to mean the province of Munster, the South-East Region or South-west Region of Ireland, or the European Parliament constituency of South Ireland or, at least, not to the extent that it requires a mention in this disambiguation article. AlwynJPie (talk) 05:26, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Munster, the South-East Region and the South-west Region of Ireland are in the "See also" section. Your edit put them in the "may refer to" section, which as you say is not correct. The South constituency is there because "South Ireland" is included in the introductory line. If you disagree with its inclusion you could raise it on the talk page, but bear in mind that a disambiguation page is meant for everything that might be searched for; the "extent" to which it might be searched for is not a criterion. But as for the primary topic, I had it as the southern part of Ireland, Dubs boy had it as the Republic of Ireland and you had it as the 1921 polity. Where there is no consensus on a primary topic the obvious thing is to leave it as "may refer to" and have all the meanings in the list. Scolaire (talk) 08:40, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

I think you still don't understand. It doesn't matter how many times you write your own personal history of "Southern Ireland", or whether you quote large chunks of other Wikipedia articles to try and make it appear as though they back up your argument, it doesn't make it the true history of the country. Try sending it to a history journal, and see if they'll listen to you. It is not ever going to be accepted here, because you cannot back it up by reference to existing journal articles or books. To repeat myself once more, this one-man crusade is disrupting the project. You need to let it go. Scolaire (talk) 07:41, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you Scolaire. I value your comments and your entries and edits. As I am sure you are aware, the Free State and the Republic has claimed sovereignty over the whole island; Southern Ireland is the only term I know that has been used solely to mean the area covered by the 26 counties. But I understand some that object to the Partition will never use the terms Northern Ireland or Southern Ireland because by doing so would give the partition some sort of legitimacy. AlwynJPie (talk) 00:32, 8 September 2015 (UTC)


 * That is not a response to what I said. I am not going to engage with you any further if your only answer is a phony "thank you" and a replay of the stuck record. Scolaire (talk) 08:01, 8 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I, like many others, use the term Southern Ireland purely as an apolitical geographical term for the 26 counties. The terms Free State or the Republic are not appropriate as they have and, in some respects, still claim all 32 counties. Southern Ireland has always been just the 26 counties. AlwynJPie (talk) 19:37, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

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Provisional Government of Ireland Page Move
Either you failed to notice the discussion at Talk:Provisional Government of Ireland (1922) or you deliberately ignored it when you performed this page move without any prior notice or discussion. Given your long history of disruptive editing and filibustering on talk pages, it is very hard to assume good faith. Scolaire (talk) 08:57, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The provisional government was set up by the United Kingdom government to govern Southern Ireland in place of the home rule Southern Ireland government set up under the terms of the Government of Ireland Act 1920 which failed to function. Home rule in Northern Ireland continued under the Government of Ireland Act 1920. AlwynJPie (talk) 14:19, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * In other words, you knew exactly what you were doing. You did it knowing that there was a thorough discussion and a clear consensus against you. Next time you try a stunt like that, I'm bringing it to ANI. --Scolaire (talk) 14:46, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I was unaware of the discussion. The fact remains that the provisional government was set up on 27 May 1922 by the United Kingdom government to govern only Southern Ireland NOT all Ireland as the Provisional Government of Ireland implies. The Free State was not established until 6 December 1922. http://www.historicaldocuments.org.uk/documents/doc00005-001.html#TextContainer AlwynJPie (talk) 16:13, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You have accused me disruptive editing and filibustering. That is wrong! I am proud to say that all my edits are factual apart from some clerical errors, which I have acknowledged and rectified, where possible, when they have come to my attention. I appreciate that you have sort consensus on many of the edits you have made and that you have backed up your reasons for the edits you have made with citations but I am still very concerned with many of your edits particularly in relation to the history of the Irish Free State which you say never included Northern Ireland. AlwynJPie (talk) 19:15, 18 October 2015 (UTC
 * I'm pretty sure Scolaire would be over the moon if NI was part of the Free State even if for a minute as it would have meant all of Ireland being removed from the UK during that time, however other than on this site, I never see any mentioning of this "fact" anytime partition is discussed. Mabuska (talk) 21:56, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Lest antbody get the wrong impression (though I know didn't mean to give the wrong impression), I would be over the moon if at any time the country were reunited by consent, with a full guarantee of civil rights for all.  Scolaire (talk) 07:40, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * If by "factual" you mean "correct", that is not so. Far from making only "clerical" errors (whatever they're supposed to be), you have several times made errors of fact, which have been pointed out to you on every occasion. I haven't just "backed up my reasons for the edits I have made with citations", I have gone out and done the research to make sure that what I am adding is correct. Apart from doing a Google search to find instances of people using the phrase "Southern Ireland", or the text of an act of parliament, the only research you ever seem to have done is reading other Wikipedia articles. You even more or less admitted here that you have learned whatever you know about the subject from Wikipedia. In fact, you said it here in so many words: "I use Wikipedia to find out facts." This is all just more filibustering. I'm going to ignore filibustering from now on, but if there any more disruptive edits I will take it to ANI. Scolaire (talk) 08:02, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Scolaire I appreciate your input but please tell me what errors of facts you think I have made. Yes, I do use Wikipedia to find out facts. And through my cost I've learned that Wikipedia cannot be fully relied upon. Which I guess is understandable owing to the fact that anyone can edit it. Nevertheless Wikipedia is a good starting point when doing research on any subject but its sources should always be checked and other sites should be used to verify what has been said. What has fact finding got to do with filibustering? The first time I heard the term "Southern Ireland" being used was by a man born in Ireland to mean the part of Ireland administered by the Republic of Ireland, i.e. the 26 counties. I thought it was just a nickname. It was from Wikipedia that I first learned that Southern Ireland was the official name given to that area when Ireland was partitioned. Obviously, I have since looked at other sources to confirm that. I like the term Southern Ireland because I see it as a purely geographic, generic term for the 26 counties; whereas Ireland, the Irish Free State and the Republic of Ireland can sometimes mean the whole island. AlwynJPie (talk) 20:02, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * See what you did there? That is a filibuster. You ask questions and you have no intention of listening to the answers. The only purpose of this is to wear everyone down with words. Well, I'm unwatching this page, and I'm going to delete any posts you make to my page, so goodbye.  Scolaire (talk) 20:40, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Scolaire I would not ask a question if I did not want to read the answers. I have read all your comments on my talk pages. AlwynJPie (talk) 01:16, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Two examples then: This is factually incorrect. There has never been more than one name for the abortive entity that was "Southern Ireland". That was pointed out to you here on the talk page, but you simply responded with the same mantra that you're repeating here; in other words you didn't hear what people were saying. And this is factually incorrect. The 1922 state did not comprise the former Southern Ireland, although it happened to be coterminous with it. Your edit summary was also incorrect: there is nothing vague about "26 of the 32 counties", nor is it any less concise than "Southern Ireland", as was pointed out to you here. I am not going to back through your contribution history to find more examples, and, since I confidently expect you just to trot out the same mantra again in reply, I am not going to continue this pointless discussion. Scolaire (talk) 08:25, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you Scolaire. What part is factually incorrect? The current government of Ireland administers the larger of the two territories that that were created when Ireland was partitioned in 1921 under the Government of Ireland Act 1920; this territory was given the name Southern Ireland. You and I may know which "26 of the 32 counties" we are referring in the lead of this article but will a new student? AlwynJPie (talk) 19:46, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

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Prehistoric Ireland
Clarified with "human inhabitants to have left traces of their existence probably arrived from Scotland" ? Not in the article cited and definitely not clarifying anything with this addition of unsourced probablity. Please remember we are editing an encyclopedia, thanks. Murry1975 (talk) 11:48, 10 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks Murry1975. I saw that in the AA Explorer Ireland handbook. Probably not considered a reliable source. I thought it sounded better. It more or less says the same thing but also speculates that the earliest human inhabitants to have left traces of their existence arrived from Scotland. I am not sure why Scotland. Because the closest land mass to Ireland is Scotland? If the ice had cleared in England and Wales first they would have become habitable first. So, there is a good chance the earliest people came from Wales or Cornwall rather than Scotland, even though there would have been more sea to cross. AlwynJPie (talk) 20:28, 10 December 2015 (UTC)


 * "but also speculates that", is the issue AJP. Spain is high up the list, for which there is some DNA research aswell. Murry1975 (talk) 13:53, 12 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks Murrey1975. Yes it now seems the humans that arrived in Ireland from 8000 to 7000 BC came from the south following the melting ice cap rather than from across the continent as once believed. Later invaders, the ones that came with Red Deer, appear to have crossed the sea from Scotland. AlwynJPie (talk) 11:53, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

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 * Thanks Doc. I didn't copy the text exactly word-for-word. I read a few articles from various sourses on the subject and found this one to be the clearest written so I decided to use that text as a template. I was trying to improve on it but it was so well written there was not much I could do to make it better. You may have noticed that I had previously used another sourse as a template and changed it quite a bit; I feel the current text was set up much better. AlwynJPie (talk) 20:47, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

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 * Ok I will try to edit it first and then add it. AlwynJPie (talk) 18:17, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * You will have to do a very good job because obviously several editors will be examining it very closely for any copyrights problems.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 18:20, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Will you be willing to do it? I find it hard to re-word without changing the meaning. AlwynJPie (talk) 18:26, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * If you had not begun reverting I eventually would have, because I think it is relevant material. But I dont have time to do it today, or in the next couple of days.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 18:36, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * And again on the Partition of Ireland. Do not do this. It really is becoming a competence issue. Murry1975 (talk) 20:36, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

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 * It is not easy to re-word without changing the meaning. I want to add something on the origins of the concept of the partition before 1914. I have read these articles: http://www.historyireland.com/revolutionary-period-1912-23/the-search-for-statutory-ulster/ and https://www.ucd.ie/ibis/filestore/wp2006/67/67_kr.pdf and would like to add text without violating. AlwynJPie (talk) 23:15, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

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