User talk:Alyo/Archive 16

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Question from Elestria (22:06, 4 January 2023)
why wont my discussion show on my profile --Elestria (talk) 22:06, 4 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Elestria, what exactly are you talking about? Alyo  (chat·edits) 02:49, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Question from FindingPeace (21:52, 5 January 2023)
An actor is mentioned on a wiki page for a series she is in. QUESTION: am I allowed to update her name with a hyperlink to her imdb site? This is the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Life_Is_Murder This is the actor: Ebony Vagulans This is her imdb site. https://www.imdb.com/name/nm6032720/ --FindingPeace (talk) 21:52, 5 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @FindingPeace, as a general rule we don't allow hyperlinks to outside sites on wikipedia. If Ebony is notable enough for her own wikipedia article, then that can be created. Otherwise, no. Alyo  (chat·edits) 02:52, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Tech News: 2023-02
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * You can use tags to filter edits in the recent changes feed or on your watchlist. You can now use tags to filter out edits you don't want to see. Previously you could only use tags to focus on the edits with those tags.
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 * You can filter out translations when you look at the recent changes on multilingual wikis. This didn't hide translation pages. You can now also hide subpages which are translation pages.

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Question
Hi Alyo I was wondering your opinion on this, on the Michael Jackson article it states "From the late 1980s, Jackson became a figure of controversy" i believe is untrue, a figure of speculation yes, but not until 1993 did he really become a figure of controversy. What's your take Aaron106 (talk) 02:16, 19 January 2023 (UTC)


 * @Aaron106 Hmm, I don't think it's necessarily a negative thing to say that he became a "figure of controversy" although maybe that's not the best word. Do you have another suggestion? Alyo  (chat·edits) 04:30, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I think "from the late 1980s" statement is inaccurate. I would drop figure of controversy and just keep speculation unless it could be worded to figure of controversy around 1993. Aaron106 (talk) 04:38, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Ahh I see. I don't have very strong opinions about that. Alyo  (chat·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 04:40, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

It's a small thing, but I might have a discussion on the talk page at a later date. Aaron106 (talk) 04:48, 19 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Sounds good :) Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 16:06, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Question from UsmaniyaMuhammad (22:36, 2 February 2023)
Hello everyone here. Please, i want to knows more on History Evolution of Developed Country. --UsmaniyaMuhammad (talk) 22:36, 2 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @UsmaniyaMuhammad, are you looking for Developing country? Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 06:11, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Tech News: 2023-09
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Problems
 * Last week, in some areas of the world, there were problems with loading pages for 20 minutes and saving edits for 55 minutes. These issues were caused by a problem with our caching servers due to unforseen events during a routine maintenance task.

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Question from Osiyo Xalqaro Unversitet (21:14, 1 March 2023)
hello --Osiyo Xalqaro Unversitet (talk) 21:14, 1 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi there @Osiyo Xalqaro Unversitet, can I help you? Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 02:31, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Question from Hoen1337 (20:56, 13 March 2023)
Hello i was wondering how to create a new page --Hoen1337 (talk) 20:56, 13 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Hoen1337, you can use the WP:Article Wizard, which will guide you through the process of starting a new page, but please note that Wikipedia is not for promotion, and the article will only be accepted if you include multiple independent sources discussing the topic in some detail. For example, magazine profiles or music reviews would work. However, links to social media or blogs will not be enough. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 21:07, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Question from Jan khalil mahmoudi on User talk:Jan khalil mahmoudi (21:25, 3 April 2023)
Hello, I am Khalil Ahmad Mahmoudi, a bachelor of law and political science from Herat, Afghanistan. For 2 years, from 2009 to 2011, I worked at Farid Rostgar Logistics Company, which had a contract with England, America, and NATO, in Boston Camp, and after that, I was reassigned. I was promoted to the rank of officer as an officer of the Ministry of Interior of Afghanistan in Herat province, as the deputy of the general management of the investigation of the fight against corruption and corruption, and I was assigned to different districts of Herat in the fight against terrorism, and I killed and arrested hundreds of Taliban. For 3 months in the special units of the Ministry of Interior in the 555th unit of Herat province, I performed 7 tasks in different districts with the Italian forces, and I worked in the family problem solving section of the police. I cooperated with human rights and civil rights organizations after the fall of Afghanistan to the Taliban. The Taliban killed my brother, who was a police officer in the terrorism department, and hanged some of my colleagues, which you learned through the media. My house was searched by the Taliban, and I, along with my wife and three children, were smuggled to Pakistan on 9/6/1400. And I fled from Pakistan to Iran Now I live in a bad human and economic situation in Iran and every moment I am afraid of being deported by the Iranian government. With the experience and study that I have from Afghanistan and Islam, all the miseries of my life are due to the influence of Islam, Islam is a source of power for the Arabs, and there is no such thing as humanity in Islam and Afghanistan. All my life is in fear, killing and terror. I request you to save my documents and my work record and my family from this hell. This act of philanthropy is not unlikely from you. With respect --Jan khalil mahmoudi (talk) 21:25, 3 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello @Jan khalil mahmoudi, I'm very sorry, but this isn't the right place to go. Wikipedia is not a data archive or a site for investigative journalism. You may looking for a human rights organization. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 15:51, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Humanism, nominated again for GA.
Hi Alyo, I have nominated Humanism once more for GA. I would feel more comfortable if you stay around, you know, with copy edits, suggestions etc. Cheers, <b style="display:inline; color:#008000;">Cinadon</b><b style="display:inline; color:#c0c0c0;">36</b> 10:32, 7 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Cinadon36, I'll try to participate as I have time--just ping me if there's anything specific. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 17:56, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Tech News: 2023-15
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 * Octicons-gift.svg In the visual editor, it is now possible to edit captions of images in galleries without opening the gallery dialog. This feature request was voted #61 in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey.
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Tech News: 2023-16
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 * You can now see nearby articles on a Kartographer map with the button for the new feature "". Six wikis have been testing this feature since October.
 * Octicons-gift.svg The Special:GlobalWatchlist page now has links for "" for each entry. This feature request was voted #161 in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey.

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 * At Wikimedia Commons, some thumbnails have not been getting replaced correctly after a new version of the image is uploaded. This should be fixed later this week.
 * Octicons-tools.svg For the last few weeks, some external tools had inconsistent problems with logging-in with OAuth. This has now been fixed.

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New Page Patrol – May 2023 Backlog Drive
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Tech News: 2023-19
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 * Octicons-gift.svg Last week, Community Tech released the first update for providing better diffs, the #1 request in the 2022 Community Wishlist Survey. This update adds legends and tooltips to inline diffs so that users unfamiliar with the blue and yellow highlights can better understand the type of edits made.
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 * Preloading text to new pages/sections now supports preloading from localized MediaWiki interface messages. Here is an example at the that uses <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr">.

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 * Graph Extension update: Foundation developers have completed upgrading the visualization software to Vega5. Existing community graphs based on Vega2 are no longer compatible. Communities need to update local graphs and templates, and shared lua modules like de:Modul:Graph . The Vega Porting guide provides the most comprehensive detail on migration from Vega2 and here is an example migration. Vega5 has currently just been enabled on mediawiki.org to provide a test environment for communities.

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Question from Niitwe (12:27, 3 June 2023)
Hello, Mentor!

There's a draft i've been working on. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Odrek_Rwabwogo). However, I have not submitted it yet. Can you read through and advise accordingly? --Niitwe (talk) 12:27, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Niitwe, our notability standards for people are located here. In addition, there are also some specific standards for certain types of people, such as politicians. However, broadly speaking people need to have been covered by multiple reliable secondary sources, discussing the subject in detail. Other types of sources can be used to fill in details, but only those independent reliable sources will help demonstrate notability. So Rwabwogo's website does not help demonstrate notability, but could be used for biographical details. The problem I see is that many of the sources in the article (hard rock media, nairobi news, flash ug news) do not appear to be reliable by our standards. They look more like blogs or news aggregators, which editors here will not accept. The Observer is a notable newspaper, but that piece is just a transcript of an interview, not a piece written about him. Four sources just cover his marriage anniversary which, while lovely, may not contribute to his notability--the articles aren't exactly covering him. This also applies to the piece about Rwabwogo's brother. Right now this means the sourcing is not sufficient, in my opinion. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 21:30, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Wonderful info and very helpful. I aprreciate the insight and advice and will get back to you after some edits and upgrades Niitwe (talk) 06:29, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Niitwe Glad to help! In particular, if there are any sources that discuss his political impact--mind you, not sources written by him--that would help significantly. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 13:49, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Alyo The newest draft with refined references and a new politics sub-section. Can you please advise accordingly? Niitwe (talk) 16:54, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * It looks significantly better. Those sources you added are the kinds of sources I was talking about, and if you have any more like that you should add them. Otherwise, you can submit it through AfC. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 17:43, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Finally submitted. I couldn't have done it without your guidance!
 * I appreciate Niitwe (talk) 18:25, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey @Alyo. Unfortunately, Odrek Rwabwogo has been deleted by a certain administrator who also nominated it. Despite the majority opinions being against the action.
 * What can we do? Niitwe (talk) 11:51, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Niitwe, I'll recreate the article and work on it here: User:Alyo/sandbox/Odrek Rwabwogo. It will probably end up being a little shorter, but it can be recreated at that point. If you want to help re-add any of the sources that were lost, do so at that draft. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 12:52, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks @Alyo! No problem about the length. It can grow over the years with input from different users.  I will surely contribute and look for more notable sources. Niitwe (talk) 14:33, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from Abdul A jalingo (16:15, 17 June 2023)
How can i add a link on comment --Abdul A jalingo (talk) 16:15, 17 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Abdul A jalingo, what do you mean, do you mean making a link like this? Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 19:32, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023
Hello , Backlog

Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by  and  with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.

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Edit undo warning
Please stop. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia without adequate explanation, as you did at Fabrizio_Romano, you may be blocked from editing. 2604:4080:1225:8090:4C13:53A0:7BA8:44AD (talk) 18:36, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you so much @Niitwe, happy to help :) And don't worry, it's not a reflection on you and has a lot more to do with admins dealing with years of badly-sourced articles and spam. We'll get this cleaned up in short order. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 12:56, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Draft:1814 Eruption of Mayon Volcano
Dude, didn't you notice that it was VEI 4? It is notable if its atleast VEI 4. Recheck the info of the eruption. VEI means how powerful the eruption was. PotassiumLover72  talk  14:58, 14 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @PotassiumLover72, I'm admittedly unfamiliar with geologic notability guidelines, so can you point me to any discussions or policies backing that up? Happy to accept it if I'm wrong, but also the sourcing is objectively bad in its current state. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 15:40, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Alyo, the user has been blocked for sockpuppetry. Please don't get disheartened by this rude comment.
 * Happy editing! 🛧 Layah50♪ 🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！  ) 18:05, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hahaha, no worries @Layah50, I was fairly sure PL72 was talking out of his ass. Thanks for the heads up! Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 21:24, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from Obiwandb on Karla DeVito (13:50, 25 July 2023)
Hello my new mentor! In looking up Karla DeVito, I noticed a note to the effect that the article needed some additional content, clarification and/or verification. As a personal fan of hers (see my edit to her article) as well as someone who worked with her, can you suggest other specifics I could seek to add to her article? --Obiwandb (talk) 13:50, 25 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Obiwandb, welcome to wikipedia :) So that tag is actually pretty old--it was added back in 2016 when the article looked like this (notice how many fewer references there are). Since then the article has dramatically improved and you can probably remove that template if you'd like.
 * As a general statement though, just know that wikipedia generally requires all content to be verifiable in reliable, independent sources. What that means here is two things: (1) a good way to improve nearly every article is to find coverage in newspapers, books, online media (not blogs!) etc, and add those sources to the article, and (2) your own personal knowledge is not considered a good source--even if you absolutely know something is true--if other editors cannot verify it in some way through other sources.
 * To take a minor example that covers both of these, right now the article has a sentence that says Even if you 100% knew through personal knowledge that this was true, other editors would be within their right to remove that sentence because it doesn't have a source attached. As a result, a good way to improve that article would be to find a source (DeVito biography? book about BÖC? news articles from the time?) and add it to DeVito's article. Hope this helps and let me know if you have any other questions!  Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 14:07, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you know how to get in touch with Karla either directly or through her manager? I have to assume that she will have a better memory of which sessions she sang on. Northern Recording Studios folded many decades ago, and there were minimal records of backup players in any case. Obiwandb (talk) 15:42, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * It appears my entire paragraph was deleted very shortly after I posted it. So I assume there is no value to re-posting it unless Karla or someone else can back it up. Obiwandb (talk) 15:48, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Obiwandb Unfortunately no, wikipedia editors have no more ability to contact people than any other member of the general public. That's another reason why we much prefer to include content that can cite to independent sources, like music journalists or newspapers--even Karla herself wouldn't meet that. I hope you understand why wikipedia has to work this way, but someone's personal knowledge isn't a valid source, because, well, no one else can prove or disprove those statements. I see the paragraph that you added while I believe what you say is true, without some other source to back up the statement about her being a popular backup singer, it's not appropriate for wikipedia. You can also see the short note that the other editor left on your talk page: User talk:Obiwandb. Hope this makes sense! Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 17:17, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * But if there is mention in her published book or magazine stories, that would work? I think I am getting the idea. ￼
 * BTW: I personally think it is a half-baked idea. If I or anyone else with published valid credentials (i.e., all over most of the Recording Studio history sites AND discography sites.0 Ironically, I have 1 mention on Wikipedia due to my erstwhile friend Tom Scholz credited me on his album incorrectly as "Dave Butler". The folks who curate Dicogs.com have picked my brain and boiled ALL my AKAs to David 'db' Butler, my preferred ID. Would that serve as adequate backup for adding a footnote to Boston's credit that "Dave Butler" IS David 'db' Butler?
 * Thanks,
 * David Obiwandb (talk) 20:09, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Would a book or magazine with Reference to Karla work? Obiwandb (talk) 15:58, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Obiwandb -- -- that sounds more like it! Feel free to link me to anything first and I'll give you my thoughts on it as a source, but that's a good start. And Discogs is generally not considered reliable because it's user-generated, instead of going through any sort of editorial process.  Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 13:19, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from OGJ12345 (16:17, 8 August 2023)
Hi Alyo!

I am publishing my first article soon on a well known Australian architect who I noticed had yet to have a page written for her. I've worked on it for a while now but do you think you could proof read to give it the best change of remaining up after publishing? Thanks and nice to meet you :) --OGJ12345 (talk) 16:17, 8 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello @OGJ12345, you're talking about User:OGJ12345/sandbox, right? Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 17:57, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @OGJ12345, I read over the article and the sources, and I don't think this article's subject is appropriate for wikipedia. I'll sort of skip over the fact that at present the article is far too promotional and looks more like a press release than a neutral encyclopedic article, and just explain how notability works on wikipedia. In general, topics become "notable" when they are covered by multiple independent, reliable sources that talking about the topic in some significant detail. Usually the rule of thumb is that you need 3+ of those types of sources to become notable. Right now, this article has zero. None of the sources connected to Ball (Woods Bagot itself, Melbourne SoD) are independent, but the sources that are independent don't really discuss Ball in any meaningful detail. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 18:17, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi again!
 * This was such great feedback, I have made the changes I feel it was lacking and corrected my external sources as you said, ( awards and specific project articles which mention her by name as the principal architect). I also removed ones which were not correctly linked to any secondary external source. I have also tried to edit tone to remove any promotional language. Please let me know what you think of the article with these edits :) OGJ12345 (talk) 18:57, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hmm, it's better, but I still think it needs more sources that are specific to her. As an additional guide, take a look at WP:ARCHITECT, and especially the third and fourth prongs. I will say I'm obviously not very knowledgeable about architecture in specific, so I don't know how people are viewed within the industry, but to me she still seems to fall a little short of those guidelines. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 15:00, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Question from Aydinnn212 on 2023 Leagues Cup (02:34, 9 August 2023)
Hello I was trying to fix an error in the QF area and it deleted the table --Aydinnn212 (talk) 02:34, 9 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Looks like Sharkiller fixed it :) Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 13:08, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Question from User3456789123 (23:36, 13 August 2023)
Hi how do i prove that a source is biased and faulty and should not be used in article. --User3456789123 (talk) 23:36, 13 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @User3456789123, for starters, you should present some other sources that differ with what you're disputing. However, the paragraph you posted at Talk:Rabia Balkhi isn't going to be enough--you can't just point at some comments someone has made and then claim that as proof for a different overriding ideology. A historian's comments about Israel cannot be taken as proof that they are misrepresenting an unrelated poet's background. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 01:27, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It’s not unrelated though. He is an Arab nationalist claiming other historical figures in lands that Arabs invaded to be Arab. He did not just make comments about Israel. He has made false historical claims about Isreal out of his own nationalism and intolerance for non Arabs. There’s also been calls for him to be removed from Columbia university User3456789123 (talk) 01:35, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I proved his Arab nationalism, obviously his claims that other people who live in lands uninhabited by Arabs is going to be biased. In the source there is no reference to any historical source. It says quote “it is said she comes from an Arab family” User3456789123 (talk) 01:40, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @User3456789123, I'm sorry, but you fundamentally misunderstand the role of wikipedia editors. We do not "prove" anything. We find what reliable sources have said about a topic and write that. If you can find sources that indicate his apparent arab nationalism makes him unreliable in a larger sense, bring those forward. Otherwise other editors are going to treat you as someone who is ideologically driven and, well, they won't take you very seriously. And again, even if what you said in your first comment here is true, that still doesn't prove in any sense that he's lying about Balkhi's background. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 01:50, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * https://www.timesofisrael.com/columbia-u-alums-call-for-professor-to-be-suspended-over-anti-zionist-posts/ His false claims have led to calls for him to removed from Columbia university. Therefore undermining his credibility. You can find his own Arab nationalist statements here https://canarymission.org/professor/Hamid_Dabashi and here https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individuals/hamid-dabashi/
 * his claims have also been questioned in the past by academic journals undermining his credibility. https://www.telospress.com/the-vigilant-jew-as-an-annoyance-how-hamid-dabashi-misreads-adorno/ User3456789123 (talk) 01:55, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Even after proving the claims of his arab nationalism and providing evidence other that academics have proved his claims to be uncredible, the moderator would not allow me to make my changes. User3456789123 (talk) 02:19, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I repeat, you didn't "prove" anything. Critiquing israel is not automatically "arab nationalism". And as I said above, You need to show other sources--not yourself--making that argument.  Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 02:32, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I proved other academics find his claims uncredible. User3456789123 (talk) 02:34, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * No you didn't, you showed that a single German academic criticizes his reading of Adorno. And that a pro-Israel facebook group got upset at him. Neither of those things make his historical findings vis-à-vis Balkhi unreliable. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 02:42, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * https://nymag.com/nymetro/urban/education/features/10868/ The president of the university also says his claims are outrageous. The president Lee Bollinger said, "I want to completely disassociate myself from those ideas. They're outrageous things to say, in my view."
 * also In The Bulletin, Herb Denenberg wrote that Dabashi's article "is not borderline racism. It's as gross and obvious as racism can get. User3456789123 (talk) 02:49, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * So if am a pro Italian nationalist who makes racist statements against non Italians, then I claim that a former historical figure from land that Italy colonized such as Ethiopia is an Italian. Without any historical evidence of this claim. And other academics have called me out for my Anti non Arab racism, that is ok? And he did not just critique his reading of Adorno he specifically called him anti semetic and biased for pro Arab leanings. User3456789123 (talk) 02:52, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Anti non Italian racism User3456789123 (talk) 03:05, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I encourage you to drop this topic, because you are not listening to multiple editors tell you the same thing and are ignoring the actual pieces of genuine advice we're giving you/ Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 13:50, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You told me to prove that his peers,academic and journalists find his sources to unreliable due to his use of racism, anti semetiism and historical revinsionism. I did that. User3456789123 (talk) 16:02, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * No you didn't. This is my final comment because you're wasting my time: find peers, academics, and journalists who disagree with his specific conclusion about Rabia Balkhi's Arab roots. That is the only worthwhile way you can spend your time--in nearly every other part of this discussion, you misunderstand how wikipedia works. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 16:10, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * This is my source of academics that reject his claim of being an Arab. Persian Literature — A Bio - Bibliographical Survey . Volume V, Poetry of the Pre - Mongol Period . Abingdon , Oxon : Routledge , p . 190 . in Balochistan.10 Ritter's rejection that her father was an Arab 206 CHAPTER 9. User3456789123 (talk) 00:04, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Persian Literature, A Bio-Bibliographical Survey Volume V: Poetry of the Pre-Mongol Period (Handbook of Oriental Studies / Handbuch der Orientalistik, Section 1; The Near and Middle East, 149) Chapter 9
 * by Francois de Blois User3456789123 (talk) 00:07, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You appear to have done the correct thing and posted this at the talk page, so you should continue the discussion there. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 12:37, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Question from BichitraPatanayak (10:03, 22 August 2023)
"Hi! I'm bichitra, and I promise no question is too simple to ask. I'm happy to help with anything you may need, so just let me know!" --BichitraPatanayak (talk) 10:03, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

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No thanks --BichitraPatanayak (talk) 10:16, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Question from Keiry Sargent on Draft:Triumph 12-6 Scorpion (14:26, 22 August 2023)
Hello how do i create the side bar on the right that includes the specifications of the vehicle --Keiry Sargent (talk) 14:26, 22 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello @Keiry Sargent, it sounds like you're talking about an WP:infobox. What article are you talking about though? Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 14:37, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

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Question from Luluisnotdumb (23:57, 6 September 2023)
Hello, how do I make a Wikipedia article? --Luluisnotdumb (talk) 23:57, 6 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Luluisnotdumb, you can use the WP:Article Wizard, which will guide you through the process of starting a new page, but please note that Wikipedia is not for promotion, and the article will only be accepted if you include multiple independent sources discussing the topic in some detail. For example, newspapers, books, and journals would work. However, links to social media or blogs will not be enough. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 03:33, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

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Question from Musatakazza (14:08, 13 September 2023)
in details the importance of occupational outlook and opportunities in both natoinal and international situation --Musatakazza (talk) 14:08, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Musatakazza sorry, what? Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 16:57, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Jono Macbeth
Hi there Alyo, Can you please tell me why you keep editing the Jono Macbeth Wikipedia page. I don't understand why you change it and also why you post in-correct details? Can you please explain

Kind regards Damian Richmond (talk) 12:27, 18 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello @Damian Richmond, sure. Wikipedia requires all content to be verifiable, usually by adding references to reliable sources. The content that you keep re-adding has no sources, and so by our policies, the entire thing can/should be removed. Instead, I keep reverting to an older version of the page that is much shorter, and has a couple sources. There are multiple other issues with some of the content block that you're talking about, but that's the key thing to start. What is incorrect in the version that I keep reverting to? Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 13:19, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Alyo, I will gladly add the references. But the version you keep resubmitting claims Jono Macbeth was not retained by oracle racing and also left INEOS racing under dubious circumstances. These are both incorrect and give the impression of wrong doing.
 * if you look through the history, you will see periodic editing of the transcript by people that is incorrect and in some cases defamatory. Damian Richmond (talk) 15:53, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 * That's fair, I've removed that line. Like I said, it's not so much that I'm "resubmitting" this content as I am undoing changes that go against policy. I don't really think that the version I've reverted to is particularly good, and to be quite honest I would vote to delete this article entirely based on the current sourcing (notwithstanding you hopefully improving it). Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 16:00, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

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Question from Lilblevins (14:56, 24 September 2023)
How do I make an article --Lilblevins (talk) 14:56, 24 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Lilblevins, you can use the WP:Article Wizard, which will guide you through the process of starting a new page, but please note that Wikipedia is not for promotion, and the article will only be accepted if you include multiple independent sources discussing the topic in some detail. For example, newspapers, books, and journals would work. However, links to social media or blogs will not be enough. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 21:41, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Question from Nhradek (09:11, 29 September 2023)
What if I get into an editing dispute with another editor? --Nhradek (talk) 09:11, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Note for myself, editor was blocked after this discussion. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 14:02, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Question from SHAKIB AL MAHDI (07:01, 5 October 2023)
How do I create an article? --SHAKIB AL MAHDI (talk) 07:01, 5 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @SHAKIB AL MAHDI, you can use the WP:Article Wizard, which will guide you through the process of starting a new page, but please note that Wikipedia is not for promotion, and the article will only be accepted if you include multiple independent sources discussing the topic in some detail. For example, newspapers, books, and journals would work. However, links to social media or blogs will not be enough. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 17:40, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Question from Guimaraesrj (05:15, 8 October 2023)
hi i am trying to publish my biography but when i search for it on google i cant find it, can you help? --Guimaraesrj (talk) 05:15, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Guimaraesrj, you appear to have created a WP:userpage, which is not meant to be a biography. That is for telling other editors information that is relevant to editing wikipedia. Please don't try to use that to advertise yourself. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 05:58, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Question from TiktokGlobal (16:43, 21 October 2023)
how to add somethng in wikipedia --TiktokGlobal (talk) 16:43, 21 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @TiktokGlobal, what are you looking to add? Anyone can edit existing pages--just click the "Edit" button at the top of the screen. If you're trying to create a new page, you can use the WP:Article Wizard, which will guide you through the process of starting a new page, but please note that Wikipedia is not for promotion, and the article will only be accepted if you include multiple independent sources discussing the topic in some detail. For example, newspapers, books, and journals would work. However, links to social media or blogs will not be enough. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 20:55, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Valve templates
Hi, I was notified that you reverted my contribution to Template:Professional Counter-Strike competition -- as you did to 's edit to Template:Valve, as well. What I disagree with above your reverts was that you asserted that consensus was reached at WikiProject Video games when it wasn't; we had a discussion at Talk:Counter-Strike: Global Offensive, where editors agreed that Counter-Strike 2 is an update to Global Offensive, but there wasn't consensus about it being a new game. I won't edit war, but I found that a little disingenuous, given that I've been heavily involved with the discussion.  BOTTO ( T • C ) 01:13, 22 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Botto, sorry for the delayed response. You're right--I misspoke on where that discussion happened, and while I still read a number of comments that appear to argue for CS2 being a whole different game, that conclusion wasn't in the scope of that discussion. However, I feel pretty strongly that abbreviating CS2 to "Global Offensive (2)" implies that CS2 is actually called CSGO 2, which obviously isn't correct? Happy to start a discussion anywhere you'd like, but regardless of the update/new game status, that just seems to be an issue of correctly identifying the property. I see that now you and Gibbon have further changed this, so it's probably a moot point by now. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 02:40, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

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Question from Yassin Mokadem (21:37, 27 October 2023)
how many pages i should edit before creating my own page --Yassin Mokadem (talk) 21:37, 27 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Yassin Mokadem, there’s no hard and fast rule. If you’re familiar with our policies, you could create a page right now. The WP:Article Wizard will guide you through the process of starting a new page, but note that Wikipedia is not for promotion, and the article will only be accepted if you include multiple independent sources discussing the topic in some detail. For example, newspapers, books, and journals would work. However, links to social media or blogs will not be enough. If you understand these rules, there’s nothing stopping you from creating a page. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 08:11, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Question from Tanvirhossains (22:23, 30 October 2023)
Hello dear how can i add new article? --Tanvirhossains (talk) 22:23, 30 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Tanvirhossains, the WP:Article Wizard will guide you through the process of starting a new page, but note that Wikipedia is not for promotion, and the article will only be accepted if you include multiple independent sources discussing the topic in some detail. For example, newspapers, books, and journals would work. However, links to social media or blogs will not be enough. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 13:15, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

November Articles for creation backlog drive
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Question from Itsmeblondie90 (18:21, 2 November 2023)
I was working on a new article and when I went to try and add sources, I found all the work I had just done was deleted. How do I recover all that work? --Itsmeblondie90 (talk) 18:21, 2 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello @Itsmeblondie90, what page were you working on? Were you working on another account, or without being logged in? I can't see any other edits in your history so I'm not sure what you're referring to. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 18:40, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The Murder of Rachel Morin. I ended up rewriting it but it has since been rejected. I am happy to work with making it better but this is my first time creating a Wiki article so I'd like to do it correctly but I am not surprised if I've neglected things more experienced publishers would know. Itsmeblondie90 (talk) 20:27, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Itsmeblondie90, you got some good advice from RickinBaltimore on your talk page, but I’ll add just a bit. There are obviously so many crimes that happen that WP cannot cover them all, and so WP:VICTIM requires some additional significant coverage to have an article about a victim. Furthermore, Wikipedia policies rule strongly against any sort of speculation about real events (especially those involving living people), meaning that WP is a particularly bad place to collect information about a crime, victims, possible perps, etc. Let me know if you have other questions, but the main thing you’re gonna want to add is coverage about the crime in reliable sources—not tabloids, not social media, etc. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 01:27, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes he did give me good advice, as did you. Thank you. I'll do some digging and bring it up to snuff. Thank you for your help! 173.49.0.64 (talk) 01:30, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia Article publication
HI thank you for adding u as a mentor. I have drafted a article for wikipedia about a person who is well known in our province. He has significant coverage in print media daily. People need to know about him. But some people declining draft citing that person doesnot have significant coverage. But i have added the print media links as reference. And added our province highcourt name list. Abayan leo (talk) 16:11, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello @Abayan leo, the issue with Draft:Hasan Mohammed Jinnah is that right now, only this source and this source appear to discuss Jinnah in any real detail at all--the rest are all either by him, mention him in passing, or don't mention him at all. As a general rule, editors prefer to see three or more good, strong sources discussing a topic before creating an article, and here you have...one and a half? Because filmibeat does not appear to be a strong newspaper. Without stronger sources, it's very hard to get other editors to accept an article. You mention that he is covered in print media--which newspapers? Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 17:16, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Question from Abayan leo (09:03, 8 November 2023)
i have drafted a article. How can i know that it is published or not --Abayan leo (talk) 09:03, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Abayan leo, the article has been published--it's here: Hasan Mohammed Jinnah. Good work! Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 14:37, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Question from Stevewilcox2001 (16:21, 9 November 2023)
Hello. I just created an account, I think, and I wanted to create a profile of my work. I am an actor. I don’t really know what to do next. --Stevewilcox2001 (talk) 16:21, 9 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Stevewilcox2001, as a general rule, wikipedia policy strongly advises against writing about yourself. Please see this page for more information. Let me know if you have any questions. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 22:55, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Question from Mimoza Dervishi (10:11, 16 November 2023)
I would like to create an article about my deceased father with information about all his education and the contribution he made to education in Shkoder, a city in Albania. in 2003 it was also decorated by the president with a high title Naim Frasheri i Arte --Mimoza Dervishi (talk) 10:11, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Mimoza Dervishi, please note that Wikipedia policy strongly advises against writing about your own family members--it creates a conflict of interest and a variety of other issues. You can start with the WP:Article Wizard, which will guide you through the process of starting a new page, but note that Wikipedia is not for promotion, and the article will only be accepted if you include multiple independent sources discussing the person in some detail. For example, newspapers, books, and journals would work. However, links to social media or blogs will not be enough. If you'd like, you can provide the sources here and I'll tell you if I think it's worth doing more work on. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 14:50, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Question from Karna Lavanya on List of municipal corporations in India (14:31, 16 November 2023)
How to edit it --Karna Lavanya (talk) 14:31, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Karna Lavanya, click the "edit" button at the top right, or the smaller edit button next to each section header. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 14:47, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Question from Christine A. Lawley (05:00, 23 November 2023)
Hello Alyo nice to meet you, I am Christine --Christine A. Lawley (talk) 05:00, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Christine A. Lawley, nice to meet you. If there's anything I can help you with, just let me know :) Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 14:42, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Question from CHI LIANG LAN (23:09, 24 November 2023)
How to apply a new fly member, can I get membership fly number once the apply is success ? I would like to fly with starlux airline some time next year. --CHI LIANG LAN (talk) 23:09, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @CHI LIANG LAN Hi, I can only answer questions about Wikipedia. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 23:11, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

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Question from Abayan leo (06:11, 30 November 2023)
Hello , I have made an article in name M. Karthikeyan. Im not sure whether it has been published or not. can you help me to find it. Thank you --Abayan leo (talk) 06:11, 30 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello @Abayan leo, I think you figured this out by now, but the draft is at Draft:M. Karthikeyan and it has been correctly submitted to our review process. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 12:24, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah some what cleared. But it have already published someone again change it to draft. Abayan leo (talk) 12:31, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Abayan leo yes that's correct. Wikipedia has rules about what kinds of topics are allowed on the site. For example, articles are not supposed to be overly promotional, which is why your article was changed to a draft. I've also reviewed and declined the article, and I can explain more about why here. Wikipedia requires topics to be covered in significant detail by multiple sources. The sources you have right now are either written by Karthikeyan, or just mention Karthikeyan in very light detail. None of these help to demonstrate notability--they need to discuss Karthikeyan's life in detail. There need to be multiple paragraphs about him in these sources. Let me know if you have any questions, but I don't believe this topic will be appropriate for wikipedia. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 14:10, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Book which he wrote was to the students preparing for the competetive exams. In the news article they have explained his role in multiple paragraph. He is a educator cum advocate in city. He also represented the government of states. He also represent the government of India in states for his profile of Government of India is cited. To put it this not a promotional content. A person who is educator in city and has written many books which will be usefull for the student community. Abayan leo (talk) 14:32, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Abayan leo Which news article are you talking about? All of those things are great, but you need sources that say that about him in detail, and I don't see that right now. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 14:38, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I have cited near educator and educator section - In the toppers of civil service examination article they explained his role in mentoring the students for civil service examination. Abayan leo (talk) 15:01, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Abayan leo You're talking about these three links? The first is just a book listing--that's not significant coverage. The second has a quote by Karthikeyan, but the article is not actually about him. Same for the third--the woman quoted mentions him, but the article is about her, not Karthikeyan. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 15:39, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The book list which was mentioned was written by him. Second one is not just quote how his mentorship useful for the students to clear the exams is explained the student community. Abayan leo (talk) 16:17, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't know how else to say this, but that doesn't demonstrate notability. The article doesn't say "Here's a list put together by Karthikeyan, a well-respected educator etc etc". It just lists his book. No, it doesn't explain how his mentorship is useful, it just talks about how mentorship in general is useful. And he is quoted. There is literally no content about him personally. Again, that's not enough by Wikipedia's standards.  Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 16:37, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Question from Dustinblock1376 (23:51, 3 December 2023)
Hello! I've used Wikipedia for years and thought I may be able to help with edits. Any suggestions on where to start? --Dustinblock1376 (talk) 23:51, 3 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Dustinblock1376, thanks for registering! I've left a little welcome message on your talk page (User talk:Dustinblock1376), which is the place other editors will leave you notes, comments, feedback, etc. To be quite honest, I think the best way to start is to begin with what you're actually interested in. If you go back to the beginning of my edits, you'll mostly see a bunch of edits to articles about college football and video games. Nothing earth-shattering, but it helps to begin on issues you're passionate about already, or enjoy reading, researching, and writing about. Around different topics areas, editors often form "Wikiprojects" (a list roughly by activity is here) which will often have to-do lists and suggested areas of need--that's a good way to find articles that need help. Our WP:Maintenance page has a possibly-overwhelming list of issues that need solving across the site, but may be a better way to get a sense of what kinds of issues you might be best suited to work on. Let me know if I can answer any follow-up questions! Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 00:40, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Question from Gknoy (17:41, 4 December 2023)
Hi Alyo, I tried to add a well-known influence on Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" in the notes section. (note c) But it shows beneath the other influences mentioned on a line apart.

Is there a way to fix that? It looks very odd as displayed. --Gknoy (talk) 17:41, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Gknoy, and welcome to Wikipedia. The way that sources and references usually work in Wikipedia is that they are actually located in the body of the text, and then we use a template at the bottom of the page to actually display the reference. So in this case, note c is actually located in the first line of the Thesis section (The_History_of_the_Decline_and_Fall_of_the_Roman_Empire) and if you click Edit on that specific section you'll see this text in the edit box:
 * So note c is actually that text inside the squiggly brackets there, with "efn" being a call to efn, or the "Explanatory footnotes" template. The text inside the efn template is then displayed because of the Notelist template in the Notes section. If you add the text you're trying to add inside that efn template, instead of down in the Notes section, it will display correctly. Let me know if you're able to figure that out :) Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 17:53, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Alyo! That worked perfectly! Now that you explain it, I remember having the same problem some years ago, but I'd forgotten how to fix it.  Thank you for your other "Welcome" email too. I don't often find things I feel need fixing so I'll mark both "unread" and hope to remember to consult them when I do! (And lol, it will probably be the same notes problem again!)
 * Best regards,
 * GK Noyer Gknoy (talk) 19:12, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * No worries! Let me know if there's ever anything else I can help with. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 19:15, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * No worries! Let me know if there's ever anything else I can help with. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 19:15, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Question from Tfkhoward (02:00, 7 December 2023)
Hello Alyo -- Where are you located? --Tfkhoward (talk) 02:00, 7 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Tfkhoward, I'm on the east coast of the US. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 04:57, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

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Question from Michaelanthonylds (09:45, 22 December 2023)
Hello how do I edit a bio --Michaelanthonylds (talk) 09:45, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Michaelanthonylds, do you mean editing an existing biography on Wikipedia, or creating one about yourself? If you mean the latter, that is strongly discouraged. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 15:15, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Question from WikiMichaelRhodes (11:52, 23 December 2023)
Hello i was wondering if there was anything written about me?, and if there is how to fix it? --WikiMichaelRhodes (talk) 11:52, 23 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello @WikiMichaelRhodes, only you know if one of these articles is about you--do you have any specific concerns? Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 15:22, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Question from Ahmadhussein297 (06:42, 27 December 2023)
Hello Aylo,

When i open my User contributions, i find out that there is green numbers with a plus beside them (+), and (current), can you please explain to me what do they mean?

Thanks, --Ahmadhussein297 (talk) 06:42, 27 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Ahmadhussein297, the green numbers (or sometimes red) are a indication of how content you added (or took away) from the page. If you add a single letter or character, it will say (+1). If you removed an unnecessary "the", it would say (-3). It's just an easy way to see when someone has made a large addition or subtraction (usually >500 characters) from the page. The (current) tells you whether your edit is the most recent edit to the page, and thus your edit is the (current) version. If the (current) isn't there, that just means someone else has edited the page since you last edited it. Let me know if you have any other questions :) Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 17:24, 27 December 2023 (UTC)