User talk:Alysiardrgz

Hello and thank you for your interest in Wikipedia. I could not help but notice your contribution to Frankoma Pottery which added self-promotional content. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, it is not the same as social media where you can post stuff like that. Please use other venues for this type of advertorial material, Thank you. Netherzone (talk) 02:19, 25 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi there - I am not trying to post self-promotional content, but make people aware that Frankoma Pottery is now offering public classes. Is there a way to word this that would be appropriate for Wiki? Or would it be better to wait until a piece airs on local news and link to that? 2600:8804:7600:CE00:75FB:3056:3877:E1A1 (talk) 02:23, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * This was not intended as a self-promotion. I will ask someone else to make this edit once KTUL or KJRH publishes their upcoming stories on this new Frankoma offering. Would that be more in-line with the encyclopedia guidelines? Thanks! Alysiardrgz (talk) 02:35, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

February 2024
Hello Alysiardrgz. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

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Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are  required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Alysiardrgz. The template Paid can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form:. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. Netherzone (talk) 03:20, 25 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Ok thanks for all this information. I am not being paid directly or indirectly for an edit. I have not received nor will receive any compensation for the edit.
 * I do not work for Frankoma Pottery. I am a ceramic artist/instructor who teaches on-site at the facility, per the request of current owner Dennis Glascock. I am independent from the company and as a native Oklahoman artist with a deep appreciation for Frankoma pottery, I am seeking to spread more knowledge and awareness about the current growth and expansion happening here. My goal here is to add this relevant information to the page since this is the first time Frankoma has offered any kind of classes or workshops.
 * I am not trying to advertise these classes. I did link a FB post as proof that these classes exist, but I understand a news article would be a better source.
 * Finally, I am not seeking any self-promotion or financial incentives from this edit. I do profit from classes, but the workshops have sold out with almost zero advertising and the news pieces are also not seeking people to sign up, they are simply informing the Oklahoma community of this development and hoping to spread awareness of the resurgence of Frankoma pottery. Simply put, I have no financial incentive for this information to be on Wikipedia.
 * The reason I made this edit today was because of a discussion with a longtime Frankoma collector from Oklahoma City. She expressed that the classes and being able to see the facility behind the scenes was something she believed added a new element to the brand. She and I both feel this is an important part of Frankoma’s continuing legacy and growth.
 * If the COI exists by naming myself as the instructor or by linking to something that could be construed as an advertisement, I’d like to amend that and follow the guidelines. 2600:8804:7600:CE00:2D7A:2BC5:D19:52E (talk) 05:09, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * You are indeed a Conflict of Interest editor, and you do profit from classes, but the workshops have sold out with almost zero advertising therefore clearly have a financial stake in this, as does Frankoma Pottery, and the edit was indeed advertising the workshop on the encyclopedia. See WP:PROMO. The encyclopedia is never to be used for promotion, advertising or advocacy, that is not the purpose or the mission of the encyclopedia. Wikipedia's guidance and policies for conflict of interest editors as specified in the message above, and WP:HERE. Netherzone (talk) 15:18, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I wholeheartedly do not believe writing about Frankoma‘s new offering will bring me (nor Frankoma) any financial incentive or personal gain. Just like writing about a new release in their line of pottery would not be meant to bring financial gain, but would be informing about the revival or change of a certain piece. I am not seeking a place for advertising
 * Is there a way to submit this edit to a group or collaborative that would remove myself from the situation? An edit suggestion, rather than a direct edit? Perhaps a submission of news articles as sources and no direct editing from myself since I have a connection to the topic? I don’t see much activity on the Talk page for Frankoma Pottery. 2600:8804:7600:CE00:D5DE:7FFF:981:3C13 (talk) 15:59, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Please log in, @Alysiardrgz. I totally understand that you meant no harm, however the content you added was: In January of 2024, Frankoma began offering ceramics classes at their Glenpool location, taught by ceramics instructor Alysia Rodriguez. Participants learn about Frankoma history while building ceramic pottery using the brand's signature red clay. sourced to a Facebook post. To answer your question, yes and yes. If there is a newspaper article that covered the workshop in depth (not just in a press release or a passing mention) that could be used. But since you taught the workshop, an edit request would need to be made on the article talk page. It sometimes does take a while for other editors to respond, but if you use the edit request system, there is a small team of editors who specifically answer those types of requests (and decide whether or not the add the content.) Add a link to the reliable source (like a newspaper source). BTW, Facebook and other social media would not be considered an independent reliable source as it is user submitted content. Here are some links to information about how a connected editor can make edit requests: WP:EDITREQ, and here: WP:ERW, which is the Edit Request Wizard.; there are several options for making a request. There's alot to learn about how things work on Wikipedia Hope that helps! BTW, Frankoma pottery is beautiful and sturdy, I especially like that minty green glaze. Netherzone (talk) 16:49, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Apologies for not being logged in.
 * I'll get back to all of this once an article is published - both upcoming stories are perhaps more what would be considered "press releases" or "news features", though I'm not really sure, so I'll just wait until all sources are available.
 * I do appreciate all of your time here. I also noticed you created the Tamac pottery page, another Oklahoma ceramic staple! That classic Frankoma minty green glaze is called "Prairie Green" and is also my favorite. The "recipe" still exists but it is unfortunately no longer in use because, well, lead. Alysiardrgz (talk) 17:27, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * It would be nice if the article had a photo of a green glazed piece. I think of that as iconic Frankoma. Netherzone (talk) 17:35, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree! The Glenpool storefront has an entire full collection of dinnerware in Prairie Green (along with other more rare pieces), so I'm sure I could get a great photo of a piece for the article.
 * The storefront itself has become a bit of a museum, with entire sections of rare pieces for display only. Alysiardrgz (talk) 18:03, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * If you find the time to make a few photographs, that would be a nice improvement to the article. Since you will be the creator of the photos there will not be any copyright issues. Ping me at my talk page or here if you need help uploading them, and I can walk you through the process. Netherzone (talk) 18:39, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Awesome! That would be so wonderful. Thanks so much! Alysiardrgz (talk) 19:55, 25 February 2024 (UTC)