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May music
On the bicentenary of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, I remember our recent uplifting choral concert in pictures, on my user page and in my concerts (leading to the two at the church's article). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * that's great, thank you! We're also celebrating the Ninth Symphony in picture of the day today. I'm just back from a long weekend of camping near ]Epping Forest. It was wet but very enjoyable. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 21:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I put a link to the picture of the day on my user page ;) - Glad you enjoyed being out! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Today is the Feast of the Ascension for which Bach composed his oratorio, - perhaps watch a bit how the closing movement was performed in Bach's church. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Magdalena Hinterdobler is on the Main page today, together with an opera that reviewers deemed not interesting and too obscure for our general readers. The soprano thought differently, - listen and see. - Also on the Main page: a TFA by sadly missed Vami_IV. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:10, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * thanks, I've had a listen to both those things. I used to go and watch the Bach St Matthew Passion sometimes on Good Friday, there was a really nice performance in Birmingham and in the old days Katharine, Duchess of Kent used to be one of the singers there too. Your Bach ascension link reminded me of that. Nice sunny day here today, makes a change from last weekend which was very wet. All the best &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 10:39, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you, - same weather change here! - One of the altos in the Bach link was David Erler who was our soloist in the Mass in B minor in 2013, and the tenor soloist was the one who did all the St John Passion in 2020 in the lockdown. We were so glad he came to sing with us, and he inspired us all. He still has that broadcast on his website, - I mentioned an excerpt on Good Friday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:48, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Doom (2016 video game) - today's TFA is again by Vami --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * yesterday's story remembered an oratorio world premiere I was in, conducted by the composer --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:54, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I heard lovely chamber music today, and the DYK mentions "profoundly human" singing (that you can watch), connected to a place where we'll sing in September --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:01, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I liked seeing Erschallet, ihr Lieder on the Main page today, 310 years after the first performance! We sang it in 2000. Today's program was easier but also spirited. I found a nice video of "I will sing with the spirit", with nature photography, - enjoy. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:25, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Today's story mentions a concert I loved to hear and a piece I loved to sing in choir, 150 years old OTD. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:14, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * lovely, thanks! &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 15:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Today's focus is Ethel Smyth (per the TPF), written by many, and I wonder if it could become GA if not FA even. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 29 May 1913: The Rite of Spring - today's story, actually something I saw at that place in a revival. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:51, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Today's story is about Samuel Kummer, one of five items on the Main page - more musing on my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:41, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * last offer in May: photos of the river Rhine, and the adjacent Eltville rose garden, - high water and interesting weather --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Removal of COSMOS field
I'm not mad, upset or anything about the removal, I just wanted to know what went wrong timing-wise or hook-wise that can be improved in the future on my part and if there was a rule that I had accidentally broken. Thanks so much! I'm new to the DYK process, so I like learning from my mistakes. :) MemeGod ._. (My talk page, my contributions and my creations!) 16:39, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Was the nomination meant to be sent back to DYKN? &#126;~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is... I was planning to reopen once I have a bit more time. And apologies for late notice, this probably isn't a very major issue, I just spotted it with only a few hours to go before it went live so wanted to give more time. The issue I have is that the hook as stated, that it was the largest contiguous survey by Hubble doesn't seem to be supported by the article. What's written in COSMOS field seems to be firstly a quote from HubbleSite, saying that it's the largest contiguous survey and also "imaged by most major space-based and ground-based telescopes", suggesting it's not just images from Hubble, while the following sentence simply says baldly that "The COSMOS field is the largest-ever contiguous survey of the Universe". If these inconsistencies can be fixed up in the next hour or two then I'll be happy to reinstate it without reopening. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 16:53, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll get to it as soon as possible. Thanks! :D MemeGod ._. (My talk page, my contributions and my creations!) 17:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * We should be good now, the issue was the wording. The survey itself was carried out by the Hubble, but there were multiple other supporting ground telescopes that kind of "helped out". The survey is still the hubble's largest-ever contiguous survey, even if there were other scopes involved. Thanks! :) MemeGod ._. (My talk page, my contributions and my creations!) 17:08, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * User:MemeGod27 that's great, thanks for the speedy turnaround! I've reinstated it to the queue. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 17:18, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

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Carter
I have been trying to find solutions. I am one person, they mostly won't listen to me. I wrote the article. One exception is the use of references. We did find common ground with that. Headtothestripe (talk) 07:16, 22 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Distance IS necessary. It's in most coverage about Indio. They mention Palm Springs or Palm Desert, additionally LA. Headtothestripe (talk) 07:18, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi thanks for your message, and certainly collaboration and discussing through issues on the talk page are good things. However, in this case it is clear that nobody else agrees with your assertion that showing distances to LA and Palm Springs is necessary. I do agree with that, because this isn't an article about Indio specifically, or something that needs an immediate confirmation of where it is. The article is about Carter and that is just where she used to live. If readers are unsure where it is and really need to know, they can click the link.
 * But the important point here is that sometimes discussions don't go the way you think they should. I've certainly been there before, where I'm certain I was right about something but couldn't convince anyone. Unfortunately in that situation you have to follow the advice at WP:DROPTHESTICK and move on from the matter. Or at least restrict the dispute to the talk page. Reverting four or more times to try to impose your preferred version is explicitly prohibited by WP:3RR. Thanks &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 07:24, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Amakuru, there are probably 3 things, maybe more that this tiny group of users are in error about. One is this, mentioning cities in conjunction with Indio. I ask you to look at this in an overall light. They quibbled about whether a golf course could be mentioned. Let alone that Carter could have performed there. It's a block from TB (Tommy Bahama). Not all TB have a restaurant, this one doesn't. It's very well established that she began as a busking musician and singer. We don't have to list everywhere she played. She did perform at more than a few places. I repeat, 3 people on here are being difficult. I should not have to adapt to everything they want. THEY didn't even want her to have an article. I wrote this article. I am not saying I own it. They won't even talk on their own talk pages! Like I said if you looked at this article closely you will agree with over 96 percent of what I have been saying, both to you and to them. Headtothestripe (talk) 07:29, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Most of the world, the US, California, even people a county or more away from Indio would not even know the city is in California. It is important to say Palm Springs at least, if not LA to explain where it is. Headtothestripe (talk) 07:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * firstly, no it is not important to state that it is Palm Springs or anything else. The text already says "Indio, California" so it is clear to anyone that's where it is. Most readers won't care if it's near Palm Springs, Sacramento, San Diego or anywhere else. And if they do, as I say, the link to Indio, California is available and has all that info. Secondly, user talk pages are not the correct venue for these discussions. That leads to fragmentation of the discussion, and it's not correct for two editors to arrive at private conclusions through a dialogue at one of their talk pages, which exclude voices from elsewhere. The page Talk:Abi Carter is the only venue for making substantive decisions about what goes on the page and what doesn't. Finally, I see that you've started yet another edit war at Abi Carter, on a different issue. This still breaks the WP:3RR three-revert rule, because it prohibits four or more reverts of any sort, not just limited to one piece of text or one dispute. You need to self-revert on this edit and return to discussion, and if I see you doing any more reverts on that page then I will file a report at WP:AN/3RR and most likely you will be blocked, because it is becoming seriously disruptive now. Thanks &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 09:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Are you saying that if you see a few dozen or more pages on Wikipedia where it's written a location is near another town or city then you wouldn't realize the reason why this data is important? I can understand fragmentation. What I am not understanding is that you aren't seeing how difficult it is to get worthwhile discussion on an article's talk page. The other topic they were arguing about is not saying that Jack Blocker is from Dallas and now lives in Nashville as well as Will Moseley being from Hazlehurst, Georgia. That is not some minor thing that can be left out. I would think that you would say you are too busy to check how much of what I say is factual. Does that sound about right? Also what about precedent. Maybe what you are saying is not even how something is already commonly done on Wikipedia. Headtothestripe (talk) 11:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Also the whole reason to mention the golf course is that undoubtedly Carter performed there as well as at TB. The course is the oldest one in Palm Springs. She sang and played music at more than a few country clubs. Try to explain that to the 3 to 6 people complaining though. Headtothestripe (talk) 12:11, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

"Never Gonna Dance Again (song)" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Never_Gonna_Dance_Again_(song)&redirect=no Never Gonna Dance Again (song)] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:11, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Master (2021 film) controversies
Based on Mersal controversies, should this be moved to the more natural Master controversies? Kailash29792 (talk)  03:11, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * yes I would think so. "Master controversies" is a slightly odder sounding name I suppose, but there aren't other pages contending for that name and it's certainly preferable to the current bizarre title with a disambiguator stuck in the middle... &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 08:43, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I have tagged this for G6. Hope it succeeds. Kailash29792 (talk)  08:59, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * ah great I've moved the page just now. Cheers &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 18:45, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Pulling my bio
Greetings. I thought I'd follow up on your COI noticeboard post. I'm not sure whether you feel uneasy having pulled my bio off the main page. If you do feel uneasy, please let it be known that it needed to be done; we can't have a main page item that has an orange maintenance tag. If you had your bio on the main page with a maintenance tag on it, I would have pulled it, too. There are zero bad feelings at my end; just wanted you to know that.  Schwede 66  03:27, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * thanks for the message, that means a lot. It's one of those things where I believed I was doing the right thing, but there weren't many voices at ERRORS at the time and there's always a nagging feeling that some might see it as an overreaction, which would be very unfortunate when the subject is someone I consider a wiki-friend... and with it being overnight in NZ, you and Marshelec weren't aware of it for many hours. Anyway, as I said at COIN, it's a shame it couldn't get the whole day at DYK, but it is what it is. Cheers &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 07:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm sure the AfD will resolve itself and the tag will eventually go, too. I'm not fussed at all whether the bio gets the remaining 15 hours or whatever it was on the main page.  Schwede 66  07:45, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Environmental impact of the Israel–Hamas war
Hi. I'm mystified at why you honored this RM. Between myself, @Bruxton, @Schwede66 and @Lightburst (in threads which unfortunately got split across two pages) there were 4 people who clearly thought this was a good move I assume @Launchballer also agreed but accidentally typed in the wrong target name when he moved it. And it sounds like @SafariScribe had no problem with it either. So I don't get why one person's objection overrules all that. RoySmith (talk) 14:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Fix ping: @SafariScribe RoySmith (talk) 15:10, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * And, sigh, I forgot to ping @Vice regent RoySmith (talk) 15:11, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, I'm not sure why you're mystified about it, this is normal procedure. The request was made at RM/TR to revert the move as per the instructions at WP:RMUM. The move to the title Environmental impact of... turned out not to be Uncontroversial for this page, as it was contested by Vice regent. Therefore it should undergo a full RM discussion as per the instructions on that same page. I'm aware that there was an informal discussion involving yourself and others on the talk page, in the section "Suggested rename", but that does not constitute a binding consensus to move the page. Only the RM process can do that, which ensures that the move request is transparent and visible across the project. Cheers &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 15:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I guess we rushed a bit because of the impending main page appearance. We were trying to get the title right for a contentious topic and at the time of move I think we had no objection, but it was a quick notice and move. I see the discussion here where suggests an analysis of sources. There were quite a few discussions about the article, including when it ran at DYK, and I think everyone was doing their best to get it right. Now that it is off the main page we have time to discuss. Bruxton (talk) 15:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Well indeed. It was prudent not to fiddle around any further while it was on the main page, but that's over now and editors can propose and discuss the change at their leisure. But that should take place at the old title since that's the status quo ante and the default if there's no consensus in the RM. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 15:46, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, technically, the status quo title is Environmental damage in the Gaza Strip caused by the Israel–Hamas war, but I hope nobody is suggesting we go back to that. RoySmith (talk) 16:03, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, exactly. In fact, is the earliest non-stub title of the article so that would be the default if anyone were to truly insist upon going all the way back. But I'm applying a degree of WP:COMMONSENSE to the situation here. The remaining point of contention seems to be whether to use damage or impact, and I don't see anyone advocating reinsertion of Gaza or Gaza Strip. So the title I've reverted to is the one that were extant from 9 April through to 27 May, which retains the original wording of damage while not unnecessarily reinserting the Gaza bit... Cheers  &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 16:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * See Talk:Environmental damage caused by the Israel–Hamas war. RoySmith (talk) 16:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

June music
Today's story is about the TFA, by sadly missed Vami_IV. In my support in 2018, I hoped to do justice to Schloss Köthen next - which I will begin today, finally, promised. For more related thoughts and music, look on my talk for 1 June. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:40, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Enjoy today's story, related to topic of the year: 300 years Bach's chorale cantatas, and the first was written for today (as you know). The next I'll look at should be less of a problem, as for a fixed date, but I confess that I would have preferred to feature the beginning. I recommend to listen to the music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:31, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Franz Kafka died 100 years ago OTD, hence the story. I uploaded a few pics from the visit of Graham87. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:21, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Today's story is about an extraordinary biography, Peter Demetz. - I uploaded a few more pics but leave the link, because there's a new one of Graham and his mother who liked it. - I have an WP:ITNN item needing attention, Alexander Lang. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Nevermind, - he's on. - New pics of spectacular weather. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:02, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * ah sorry for not handling that for you... Great to see the pics of you out and about with Graham, and playing the organ too! I love a good wikimeet, one Day soon hopefully I'll be in that part of the world myself too! &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 21:06, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You are welcome. As Graham found out, 20 minutes to ICE station Limburg where meeting is easy, and 20 minutes to Frankfurt Airport (where it's a bit less easy to meet someone you don't know). Next musical event: 14 September, Haydn Stabat Mater at Limburg Cathedral, with the Mädchenkantorei and the Domchor. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:45, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Ooh very easy then! I was in Frankfurt airport last year, but only in transit... &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 21:53, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Next time ;) - Today I wanted to write a happy song story, on a friend's birthday, but instead we have the word of thunder on top of it (as you know). I found a hook that at least didn't mention the first Sunday after Trinity on the Tuesday after the second ;) - The new lilypond - thanks to DanCherek - is quite impressive. As my 2 Jun story said: Bach was fired up. - Today's Main page is rich in music, also Franz Liszt and a conductor. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:55, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Today is "the day" for James Joyce, also for Bach's fourth chorale cantata (and why does it come before the third?) - the new pics have a mammal I had to look up --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * New pics of food and flowers come with the story of Noye's Fludde (premiered on 18 June), written by Brian Boulton. I nominated Éric Tappy because he died, and it needs support today! I nominated another women for GA in the Women in Green June run, - review welcome, and more noms planned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:16, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Tappy has plenty of supports now, but needs an admin ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:25, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * ... and found one - today we have a centenarian story (documentation about it by Percy Adlon) and an article that had two sentences yesterday and was up for deletion, and needs a few more citations. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:53, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Today is a feast day for which Bach composed a chorale cantata in 1724 (and we had a DYK about it in 2012). Can't believe that Jodie Devos had to die, - don't miss her video from the Opéra-Comique at the end, - story to come. The weekend brought plenty of music sung and listened to, and some of it is reflected in the last two stories! + pics of good food with good company --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:56, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move : Monte Mars > Mont Mars
Hello @Ahecht and @Amakuru, sorry but I cannot find the answer to my message. Can you help me please? Simoncik84 (talk) 10:35, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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 * @Simoncik84 Because this article would be at a title that is an outlier from other similar articles, it would be best to open a formal move discussion on the article's talk page. You can do so by clicking here and then pressing "Submit". --Ahecht ([[User talk:Ahecht|TALK
 * Thank you for your answer. Simoncik84 (talk) 12:43, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

MOS:JOBTITLES
Hi Amakuru. I'm not passionate for any given style, other than simply wanting to settle on some standard, so as not to have to reinvent the wheel everytime. Which is exactly why house rules like MOS exist. I'm not even sure a local consensus exists on an "ITN job titles compromise". May I suggest that you bring this up at MOS, and we live with whatever the outcome, for better or worse? Thanks in advance. —Bagumba (talk) 11:19, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * yes, I think you're right, I probably will have to do that. I may need to take a large glass of Scotch before attempting that, forays into the murky world of the MOS pages can be daunting at times! Ultimately, writing ... was elected President of Mexico ... in 2024 is an anachronism, which does not conform with the spirit of either MOS:CAPS or common usage (just look at Google results for this and you'll see how few of them actually capitalise President). Regarding the "local consensus", I was referring to our lengthy debate back in February, when it seemed like between you, me and we had agreed on the compromise of using elected as the president of... which is both compliant with the MOS and also likely to be consistent with any lowercased presidential hooks present on the main page. So I think until and unless the discussion at JOBTITLES yields some other result, we should just stick with that for the time being. Cheers, and wishing you a good day.  &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 13:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Fully admit that my memory is shot, esp. with these one-off matters, all the more reason to have a one-stop resource like MOS. I've also always had the idea to create a reference of "standard" blurbs based off of past examples, e.g. the win/wins dilemma with sports blurbs.  One of these days.  Best. —Bagumba (talk) 15:24, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I started a related discussion at WT:MOSBIO. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:37, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * yes I noticed that, thanks. To be honest, notwithstanding Bagumba's point about "reinventing the wheel" above, I think JOBTITLES shouldn't be as prescriptive as it is regarding modified and unmodified titles. In the situation you mention, UK Prime Minister works better than UK prime minister for consistency reasons, even though ordinarily we'd prefer the latter. But the biggest thing I want to change is to remove the requirement to always capitalise the title for the entries in the left-hand column; simply because that is against the sitewide MOS:CAPS spirit of not capitalising except where necessary, and is also contrary to common usage, as you can see from ngrams:
 * Richard Nixon was President of the United States ⟹ Richard Nixon was president of the United States.
 * Theresa May became Prime Minister of the United Kingdom in 2016 ⟹ Theresa May became prime minister of the United Kingdom in 2016.
 * The King of the French case might remain capitalised, since it's directly talking about the title, but other than that we should be allowed to lowercase where appropriate. It's just a case of how to phrase that such that MOS-regulars will be on board. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 13:59, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Amakuru: I mulled this over more, and it helps my comprehension limitations to not read the Feb thread on a phone. I understand that your preference is that job titles like "President of CountryX" should be capitalized, even if preceded by a modifier (e.g. "former"). Barring an MOS change to that effect, is your main issue only when there are multiple blurbs, with the MOS allowing "President of CountryX" in one blurb but preferring (lowercase) "president of CountryX" in another? Would you tolerate the lowercase blurb if there was no other current blurb with captialized "President"? I'm trying to understand if your proposed compromise to lowercase is 1) only when there are multiple similar blurbs 2) even for solo blurbs?Trying to find (and then remember) a middle ground here.—Bagumba (talk) 04:29, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

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Y2K! move
Shouldn't you have waited until completion of the RM discussion at Talk:Y2K!? —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 12:33, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I didn't know there was a move discussion. It was listed at WP:RM/TR as uncontroversial, and a query about sourcing was satisfactorily answered, so I deemed it as being indeed uncontroversial. Do you see a problem with it? &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:35, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's necessarily worth reverting, since there hasn't been any opposition after there was a reply with sources cited, although it's a bit confusing (e.g., for the listing at WP:RMCD). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 12:50, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * yes, I take your point. I see it has now been closed by as well.  since you were unsure of this, are you now happy for it to remain moved, given the new sourcing, or would you like me to revert the move and reopen the discussion? THanks  &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 14:32, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It's a little procedurally sloppy, but probably not worth the fuss unless someone else objects. I'm not objecting. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 14:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree... this was sloppy, but not worth undoing. In the future, please be more careful and check to see if there is a formal RM discussion before accepting a RM/TR request. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:58, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with it. I'll reopen an RM if reliable source usage seems to leave out the "!". 162 etc. (talk) 03:45, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

"Spumone" or "spumoni"?
According to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Technical_requests&diff=prev&oldid=1227534433, should the "spumone" page be called "spumoni" (https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=spumoni%2Cspumone&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3)? JacktheBrown (talk) 16:41, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

And what about the "panzerotto" page? https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=panzerotto%2Cpanzerotti&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3. JacktheBrown (talk) 16:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * thanks for the note... It looks to me from the ngrams provided that all those are commonly referred to in the plural as well, so I'd suggest moving. Cheers &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 20:35, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I would leave "panzerotto", since the title has always been written in the singular (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Panzerotto&action=history). JacktheBrown (talk) 07:09, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

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Faulty move to Pazzi Crucifixion
Hi Amakaru. What's happened at Pazzi Crucifixion? It's a redirect to itself. I can't recover the article from the page history of either that or Crucifixion with Mary Magdalene. Ham II (talk) 19:39, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * ah yes.... you're quite right, sorry about that - it looks like I for some reason attempted to move the page over the top of the Pazzi Crucifixion article twice. That meant the first time I did it, I did the correct move, but the second time, I moved the newly-created redirect from Crucifixion with Mary Magdalene over the top of the actual article, rubbing it out. Hopefully it's resolved now. Cheers &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 21:21, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Maharvi Page
Hi, Amakuru. I hope you are doing well. I wanted to know have you moved the Muhammad Maharvi Page?

Alragon1 (talk) 12:06, 17 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I just wanted its Display Title to be changed! Alragon1 (talk) 12:07, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, no I haven't looked at the Muhammad Maharvi article yet, I wasn't sure whether that one qualifies as uncontroversial or not, so I left it until either another page mover can look at it, or if I have more time later. The main question I'd have is whether that's his WP:COMMONNAME. In general, we prefer the shorter version of people's names so it's best for someone to demonstrate that the longer version is much more common before moving it. Cheers &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 13:19, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes it is not uncontroversial, more over you are talking about common name so that name is totally common in our region, Its written the historical books in-fact. Alragon1 (talk) 15:59, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

DYK feedback
Thank you for the feedback at WT:Did you know. Hoping to maybe some day help with the bottleneck with promoting preps to queues and I've just started promoting hooks to the prep area, so it's really good to have received this feedback early. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi there and good to see you in action in the DYK prep building, I did think I hadn't seen you much there in the past! And yes, it certainly pays to be attentive to the details on these things, I'm certainly keen to see the main page be as accurate and reflective of our best work as possible. I'm sure you'll pick up the ropes quickly on this one - WP:DYKAI has a lot of useful info for what to check, and those things apply to prep builders and reviewers to an extent too - and it will be great if you're able to join in with the admin queue building too. Cheers  &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 13:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Introduction to contentious topics
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June 2024
Hi, if you don't mind, could you take a look and please fix the move for Degrassi (season 2) and Degrassi (season 3) as requested at WP:RM/TR? I tried to move them and messed up. ／talk 07:22, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Muhammad Maharvi Page
''this was already declined. And I have reverted your undiscussed move of the same. Please start a new request at WP:RM if you wish to proceed.''

Who declined it? it was not even discussed and i think it was uncontroversial even i provided evidence by citing.

I hope this helps. I request you to revert it, If not then let me know. Alragon1 (talk) 11:50, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello please see the edit here:  where this technical request was declined yesterday by . It had been explained to you in that discussion why the proposed name change was probably not appropriate for this title. As a declined or contested move request, your next step should not be to relist it back as a technical request again, but follow the instructions at WP:RM for a full move discussion on this item. I think that is unlikely to succeed actually, since it doesn't seem like your proposed title is a good fit for our article title policy, but you're welcome to start one if you wish. Cheers  &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:20, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Great Lakes history
Hi, are you interested in precolonial history by any chance? Alexanderkowal (talk) 16:32, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

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Move undo?
I made a request for a technical move a few days ago to move Rodney Alan Greenblat to Rodney Greenblat. I was informed by a new page patroller that the former title was better as the name used by the person and in all media referring to them. I was only using the number of redirects as a criteria - can you undo the move? Thanks and sorry for my mistake here. I'll change the other pages (there are about 10) to avoid double redirects. Recon rabbit  14:47, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * sure, done. I think it's quite a close case actually... Ngram search reveals a slight lead for Rodney Alan Greenblat, but is that enough to overcome our default preference for  ? Hard to say. Cheers &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 15:13, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Hidive
Why are you, an Wikipedia administrator of all people, not following through with a Manual of Style rule and in fact ignored it by changing such an article to have an all cap title? It very clearly states in this MOS:ALLCAPS excerpt: "Reduce names of companies or other trademarks from all caps to sentence case, unless they are acronyms or initialisms, even if the company normally writes them in all caps. See also Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks."

Unless citational evidence can be found proving Hidive is an acronym or initialism, it should be in title case regardless of how sources type it out. And I myself have never found anything proving its something other than stylization. GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 23:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)