User talk:AmandaNP/Archives/2012/May

Your comments are requested
Hi DeltaQuad. Your comments are requested in Wikipedia talk:Sockpuppet investigations/Archives/Archive11 regarding the sanction you imposed. Thanks. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 15:19, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

IP sock?
It seems to me that 98.196.233.155 is block-evading sock of SkepticAnonymous/98.196.234.69, a user/IP that you recently blocked. Could you please take a look (checkuser?) and take any administrative action you think is necessary? Thank you. Peacock (talk) 13:45, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Dealt with this the other day when you reported it. Thanks for following up. -- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  15:11, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Low priority request
Hi, DQ. has received an open proxy message relating to their IP while trying to edit. As I'm technically challenged WRT open proxies, I'm wondering if you look into the matter. Someone may beat you to it, but on the off-chance that no one is watching I wanted to bring this to someone's attention.  Tide  rolls  23:28, 3 May 2012 (UTC) Who knows...I may even learn something.
 * Call off the dogs...the matter's been addressed. See ya  Tide  rolls  00:26, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Poop patrol
Hi Deltaquad, I'm ready when you are.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  08:33, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ Sent it on its way. -- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  15:10, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Sock puppet case
Can you give me a link to where you moved the case? Sopher99 (talk) 15:04, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Sockpuppet investigations/ChronicalUsual -- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  15:07, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh you actually put that on my talk page, sorry didn't see it. Sopher99 (talk) 15:08, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. -- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  15:08, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

New Pages update
Hey :). A quick update on how things are going with the New Page Triage/New Pages Feed project. As the enwiki page notes, the project is divided into two chunks: the "list view" (essentially an updated version of Special:NewPages) and the "article view", a view you'll be presented with when you open up individual articles that contains a toolbar with lots of options to interact with the page - patrolling it, adding maintenance tags, nominating it for deletion, so on.

On the list view front, we're pretty much done! We tried deploying it to enwiki, in line with our Engagement Strategy on Wednesday, but ran into bugs and had to reschedule - the same happened on Thursday :(. We've queued a new deployment for Monday PST, and hopefully that one will go better. If it does, the software will be ready to play around with and test by the following week! :).

On the article view front, the developers are doing some fantastic work designing the toolbar, which we're calling the "curation bar"; you can see a mockup here. A stripped-down version of this should be ready to deploy fairly soon after the list view is; I'm afraid I don't have precise dates yet. When I have more info, or can unleash everyone to test the list view, I'll let you know :). As always, any questions to the talkpage for the project or mine. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 23:20, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

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Cool Fix
I like the fixes to LisaBot, Very good. Thanx. Mlpearc ( powwow ) 08:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. More features coming soon. She is now stalking based on edit summary, a page, or a user's contribs now instead of matching the word in the whole statement. -- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  01:27, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Question
As you know I have an interest in the whole sockpuppetry thing. I was thinking of applying to be a trainee so I could get a firmer grasp of how it all works, would this be possible? Darkness Shines (talk) 15:36, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * It is possible for you to apply to become a clerk. You are subject to a consensus on the clerk team before it goes through, and you will need someone to train you. I currently have Keilanna so I won't be able to take up that task, if it goes through. I'm not sure becoming a clerk is the best move at the moment, but I fail to see another idea that would get you the same level of training. It's up to you if you do want to apply, but there are no official restrictions stopping you from becoming one. Your original restrictions would still apply though even if you do gain clerkship. But at that point of passing training, you can talk to me or the SPI team collectively, and we'll probably have enough evidence to clear the restrictions. Hope this helps, and never hesitate to stop by my talkpage for SPI or sockpuppet help. -- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  01:36, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Unblock request
Hi. As a result of Sockpuppet investigations/TreyAU21/Archive, a number of registered editors and IPs were blocked, and one of the IPs is requesting an unblock. I think this one perhaps has a valid case for unblock, and I've commented further at User talk:214.13.69.132. Would you mind having a look and letting me know if you think an unblock would be reasonable? -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:19, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Replied on both yours and the IPs talkpage. -- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  01:26, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 01:34, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigations/Rinpoche
Please see this edit re this  User:LHirsig...Modernist (talk) 11:20, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Got someone to look into it, user is now blocked. -- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  14:58, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Abuse response
Hey, I just noticed you're one of the list admins of the Enwiki abuse response mailing list. Can you decide on User:Puffin's nomination, and subscribe him/her to the mailing list if necessary? Thanks!  Lynch 7  18:47, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey Mike, it's actually been quite a while since I've participated in the project, but you are correct I am a list admin (probably the only one lurking around). I personally normally leave it up to the project to close the nomination, but if you would like me to I can still close it. I usually do ask the IP quiz as others do just so we know they will contact the right people, if you want I can put that up, or feel free to just close it. And I'm not sure how active the team is there, but I've only seen 4 cases hit the list in the past few months, is there still a requirement to send contact to the list? And the most important question of all, has anyone gotten a response? :D -- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  18:58, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Same here, its been a while since I've been to Abuse response. I don't know, I guess Puffin is sensible enough not to mess things up, Quiz or no Quiz, I'd be fine either way. Considering that many of our mails go out to large ISPs, I'd be surprised if we ever got a response; I guess its no longer worth investigating an IP's contribs and taking the pains to mail the ISP about it.  Lynch 7  19:14, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Poop patrol
Hi DQ, ready when you are!  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  09:23, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  01:14, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Misbehaving
always revert well sourced contents in List of 2012 Summer Olympics broadcasters without any prove that he is right to do so and also in-civil in Talk:List of 2012 Summer Olympics broadcasters, is that any misbehaving incur? Also in UEFA Euro 2012 broadcasting rights, until today, he still insist his point. --Aleen f 1 14:10, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually calling JDamanWP a hypocrite is real close to making a personal attack. JDamanWP saying "I'm getting pretty sick and tired of you're know-it-all attitude!" is just someone who is frustrated at the argument, or maybe more specifically you. While that might not be helpful to the discussion, it is definitely not something I can block for. Now what you guys have is an edit dispute. Edit warring is starting and if I am still to act in an administrative capacity, I can't go in and say who is right and who is wrong with sources. If you want me to get involved, then you have to understand I will not be taking any further administrative action in this matter (because I would be involved). In the mean time, the latter page is protected on edit warring. -- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  01:12, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Teramo
Hello DQ, can you please give it a look at what’s happening on this page? This user Attilios,with his own endless records of verbal threats, edit wars and reverts, keeps on reverting the article to his very personal version, abruptly deleting the work of many throughout the years. It’s been one and a half years now carrying out his arrogant censorship... Thank you. DDF19483 (talk) 17:26, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I took a quick look and have no preliminary comment, but I will take a look a little later. -- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  01:17, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, he has started reverting my talk page now, no wonder you had already blocked him in the past... can you take measures again. Greetings. DDF19483 (talk) 18:24, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * There is a related discussion at User talk:EdJohnston, where User:Attilios has posted. This appears to be a contest as to who can behave the worst. The one who can write better is calling the other party a troll and both are resisting all nudges toward WP:Dispute resolution. EdJohnston (talk) 18:41, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Being an experienced Wikipedia editor, I've several of such situations in my experience. The matter had been solved before with the other (one who cares only of Teramo page and has zero knowledge of Wikipedia formats, practice etc) being blocked and the page set to my version. If you check well, my version started as a Wikipedization of the other's one which was Wiki-0, was full of bad formattation, images placed wrongly, etc. All started when he deleted back all my additions, and that's all, finishing with him insulting at full speed (that's likely why he keeps deleting his talk page) and being blocked. Anyway, I'm open to a solution and to what you'll decide. Ciao and good work. --&#39;&#39;&#39;Attilios&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 18:49, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi DQ, I am only to clarify that I had even decided to quit this dispute and rise above User:Attilios' censorship and ignorance by stopping editing the article in hand. Unfortunately his boredom leads him to keep on reverting my talk page. Please also consider User:Attilios' abuses on my talk page going on for more than 1 year now. Also consider his attack to my person, asking other users such User:Johnbod to espouse his personal violence towards me, something that of course he refused to do. I feel I have the right to express the level of verbal and violent intimidation towards me has now become intolerable and I've just realized many wikipedia users out there have experienced the same thing. By all the performances he has given throughout the years we can readily classify User:Attilios' as a vandal Italian troll with low English skills, hard to understand why he sticks around en. Wikipedia. His behavior of a populist dictator, his arrogance of a low-accomplished censor led you already to block him in the past. He seems to collect a huge record of edit wars and blocks. His attempts to prevail over me by recruiting other users to his cheap revolution along with his verbal threats that is before everyone's eyes, are proof that his fanaticism is out in the open. That's all for me. Thank you for your attention to the issue.DDF19483 (talk) 23:49, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I personally see this as a user dispute, and I see 1-3 comments each as of recently that make both of you deserve a warning, and I see on EdJohnston's talkpage where Attilios got a warning. I think you can both consider your final warnings for attacks to have been issued, and any further ones will result in a block. Now I wouldn't call what was done "censorship". To merge things down, which is looking like what was done, is not going to kill animals. On the other hand it may not be the best idea, I didn't personally read through the whackload of text changed. I would recommend each of you on the talkpage go back and for line by line (I know it's a lot) talking your concerns out, and coming to a mutual agreement that way. Let me know if you need further help working things about, but again to both of you, watch how you approach each other. Also thanks Ed for stopping by. -- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  00:54, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Even though I quit editing the article, Attilios keeps on reverting my talk page. Can you do something about that at least? this vandal can't help trolling around. DQ, I came to your talk page cos, provided that I can have a say, I don't consider User:EdJohnston any use to solve this dispute. In 1 and a half years nothing has changed, he hasn't raised any solution or strived to end the dispute by making both parts reach a consensus. User:EdJohnston I'm still awaiting explanations why any of Attilio's broken English reverts is justified on the contrary any revert of mine is a block threat from you. Mind you that I'm not saying it is right or wrong, I'm just saying that you should give explanations. Keep in mind that Attilios, who can barely speak simple English, is also reverting the work of many other users throughout the years. Nobody had ever complained about the article up until this illiterate troll arrived. Reverting and deleting is all he does on Wikipedia. DQ any decisions you may make will be well accepted. DDF19483 (talk) 10:43, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I have done this for now, pending further review. --  DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  13:21, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks a lot DQ. Let's hope this stalker will keep away from my page now. I just wonder why EdJohnston had never moved a finger as he reverted 4 times my page... DDF19483 (talk) 20:04, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

New Page Triage prototype released
Hey DeltaQuad! We've finally finished the NPT prototype and deployed it on enwiki. We'll be holding an office hours session on the 16th at 21:00 in #wikimedia-office to show it off, get feedback and plot future developments - hope to see you there! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 03:28, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

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Changing email addresses in abuse report subscription.
Hey, I was changing my email addresses in my subscription for the abuse report. I used my new email address to send a report. Is it ok to change the email addresses in the abuse report subscription? Thanks.-- Damirgraffiti &#124; ☺Say Yo to Me!☺   00:39, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Ya should be fine if I understand you correctly. Any troubles, feel free to message me back here, or use my email above at the top of the page. -- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  00:10, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Unblock on hold
Hello, DeltaQuad. A user you blocked is asking to be unblocked, at User talk:I am Agent X. Since you know better than me what the evidence is that led you to block, perhaps you can assess whether or not the user's defence is plausible. If you do so, it would be helpful if you would drop me a note on my talk page to let me know you have done it. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:59, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

May need global exemption
Hiya,

I'm not sure what "you know" but someone on meta is saying the Syrian guy would need global exemption (although you may have given him that too, I dunno!), pls see Steward_requests/Global_permissions

You've probably taken care of this already, I'm just making totally sure since as I've stuck my nose in I like to know it's all completed

Egg  Centri  c  23:28, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅, no problem, and thanks for your help. :) -- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  00:09, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

 * Thanks! It's hard to believe that it's already been a year. -- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  01:30, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Removing Indic Script
With reference to the note on my page, I do not get the point you make. This [] is what Sitush gave me. I modified it as follows:Indic script removed as per this and this and WT:INB. Please modify it further for me as you deem fit and I shall use the further modified version. I will be removing the Indic script mostly from pages where I added it. Cheers. - Chandan Guha (talk) 01:19, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry the text doesn't contain "DeltaQuad" directly, but the second link (in the code) does. Like this link to my userpage. Again, it's only a convience thing, so no big worry at the end of the day. -- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  01:28, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

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I mentioned one of your policy edits here, and don't know too much about the background behind it. Cheers :> Doc   talk  11:49, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  13:15, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

New Page Triage/New Pages Feed
Hey all :). A notification that the prototype for the New Pages Feed is now live on enwiki! We had to briefly take it down after an unfortunate bug started showing up, but it's now live and we will continue developing it on-site.

The page can be found at Special:NewPagesFeed. Please, please, please test it and tell us what you think! Note that as a prototype it will inevitably have bugs - if you find one not already mentioned at the talkpage, bring it up and I'm happy to carry it through to the devs. The same is true of any additions you can think of to the software, or any questions you might have - let me know and I'll respond.

Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 13:12, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Talk blank
Ah, OK. I thought it was forbidden! By the way, he keeps hiding warning messages from administrators for his behaviour. Ciao and thanks! --&#39;&#39;&#39;Attilios&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 13:45, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * He can hide everything he wants on his page except declined unblock notices while on a block. -- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  12:38, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

R-Bot6
What do you think of this username? User:R-Bot6. Looks to me as though people might think it's a bot. Dougweller (talk) 05:21, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I would generally agree with you, and personally, I do think anything that says "bot" where bot is not clearly used in another meaning should not be used. Though the last time this came up (not the specific username) it was noted that there is no R-Bot, R-Bot1, R-Bot2, etc. and the community at the time decided to leave it alone. It's a discretion call, whether you want to AGF or not. There is no right or wrong here. -- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  12:37, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Proxy block
Just edit conflicted with you on the 182. block, however, there's a ton of edits from this range (Mughal Lohar and Sridhar100 both use it in addition to a couple of others). I'm not comfy with identifying proxies etc, can you take a look at the history of Shah Jahan and Mughal Empire and see if there's more to the proxy range? cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  12:10, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * So they all came back, and why I say unlikely is because Pakistan and other middle eastern/asian countries have a lot of issues with network overcrowding and highly dynamic IPs, so someone who really wanted to attack a site would have several piles of IPs to use. There is also proxies, but they are usually as obvious as they pop up in google. I didn't run a full check on all of them, only the basic checks to see if there is a chance that there is a proxy, but I think your going to come back with nothing. Could their be a proxy? Absolutely. Are they active right now, or visible anywhere, not that I can see. Feel free to come back if you have the feeling that there is a proxy. -- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  14:20, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks, I don't think I'll ever understand proxies! cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  07:03, 26 May 2012 (UTC)


 * -- how about this one in particular? It appears to be Sridhar100 and he's theoretically supposed to be in India. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  06:20, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * as far as I can tell. -- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  11:30, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, hopefully someday I'll figure this all out. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  19:15, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Proxy unblock request on hold
Hello, DeltaQuad. There's a request at User talk:PrezKennedy for an unblock of an IP range that you blocked as a proxy. (Here is a listing of the block.) The user claims to be using Remote Desktop Protocol, and not an open proxy. I am aware that we tend to treat editing via web hosts the same as editing via open proxies, but it does look to me as though this may be a legitimate use. However, since you are apparently much more knowledgeable on these matters than I am, perhaps you can assess the request. JamesBWatson (talk) 19:11, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Any legitimate uses for using a webhost, are an automatic deferral to IPBE. This is the best way to handle it, so we don't have socks/vandals finding, or obtaining websites (from other IPs on the range), and then using that IP to edit. If your asking about the validity of the RDP argument, I can't really go through a /18 to see if there is technical evidence that this is occuring, I don't have the IP address at all, so it makes a needle in a haystack. The work block comment is an often occurrence, but I would encourage a question as to whether it's a block, or rules that is affecting him (not that it will really matter much in the end). The spirit of IPBE is out there for those who genuinely can't edit because of a policy preventing them, but we do encourage at home edits. Hope this helps and don't hesitate to comment on my assessment of this or ask a question. I'm also considering making a webhost template, so we don't use the open proxy template -- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  03:55, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Question
Is this what editing from a webhost looks like? No ISP just 188.28.178.78.threembb.co.uk? I have never seen that before so am perplexed. Darkness Shines (talk) 12:59, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not a webhost, it's actually a mobile broadband provider. The name of the IP address isn't usually terribly useful in figuring out who it belongs to, particularly when there's no website at threembb.co.uk to tell you what the company is.  When you dig deep enough, though, you find out that "three" is a UK mobile broad band ("mbb") provider.  There's no one way to determine whether something is an ISP or webhost... it generally involved sleuthing unique to each case to figure out who the owner is.  Sailsbystars (talk) 13:11, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Sailsbystars :D Nice to know I have s around :P -- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  16:57, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Account creation through rangeblock
Hey DQ. What if a school is covered by a /16 rangeblock that is marked as a schoolblock. Should that count as a regular school block, and it's OK to create an account, or must it be deferred to checkusers? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 15:09, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I assume this is about ACC #77003. Well with this particular block, it's interesting because a whole whack load of schools are covered by this. It wouldn't hurt, and probably is best to defer to a CU for them to look, but my gut feeling as normal is there just going to turn it back saying "your guess is as good as mine" or similar. I say this because if the block was to stop an IP hopping user, then that's a valid CU deferral reason. But then most school computers look the same by user agent, and by IP, so a CU can't do anything. Hope this helps. -- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  17:03, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Checkuser
I'm just let you know i reopen the case for Sockpuppet investigations/JDamanWP, however no response for few days, i'm not quite sure whether i have right procedure. Your assist will be appreciated. --Aleen f 1 15:52, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks good, the lack of response comes from our huge case load and how long it takes to look through edit histories, etc. I'll see if I can look at it later today for you (better yet, maybe even tomorrow, depends how my own backlogs go). -- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  17:13, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Make that tomorrow, I have to hack on quite a bit of PC RFC stuff. -- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  17:23, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

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poop patrol
Hi, I'm ready when you are.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  20:46, 31 May 2012 (UTC)