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Speedy deletion nomination of Hi-Power Entertainment


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Mr. Capone-E
Hello, your edits to Mr. Capone-E are not constructive. You write "one of the top independent record labels." Where is your source that this a top independent record label? Where's your source for "He has directed his music portraying real life street experiences engaging his audiences with true life drama"? Where is there evidence that anyone is "engaged" by his music? "Despite not being on a major record label" "major" should not be bold-faced according to the Wikipedia manual of style. "Mr. Capone-E has successfully branded himself worldwide as a recognised name in Hip-Hop" according to whom? Where's your source to verify this? Especially "worldwide"? "He has attracted a large fan base due to the authenticity of his music" where is your source verifying that he has a large fan base and that they are attracted to the "authenticity of his music"? "His fanbase include Latino, African American, Asian, Caucasion and American Indian from all walks of life Urban, suburban and Rural areas" where is your evidence about the ethnic background of his fan base (and more bolded content violating WP MOS). And why did you delete a source verifying his name?

If you can deal with all these issues then maybe your edit would be appropriate for inclusion on Wikipedia. Till then please stop adding it in. Thanks. SQGibbon (talk) 08:46, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

December 2010
Please do not add or change content without citing verifiable and reliable sources, as you did to Mr. Capone-E. Before making any potentially controversial edits, it is recommended that you discuss them first on the article's talk page. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. SQGibbon (talk) 03:26, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Mr. Capone-E, you may be blocked from editing. SQGibbon (talk) 05:01, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

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Mr. Capone-e
Dear SQGibbon and Wikipedia Editors,

Firstly I would like to clarify any misconceptions with regards to Mr. Capone-e graduating from Canyon Springs High School. He did not graduate from Canyon Springs High School, hence, if you are to write such statement then please back with proof. Secondly the Article that discusses the beef between Mr.Capone-e and Capone is no longer on a valid website.... the website does not exist!!! Mr Capone-e is the CEO of Hi-Power Music. He is a successful rap artist and CEO of Hi-power.

If you would like to discuss further any disputes please call me

Many Thanks

Amber.bush (talk) 00:53, 29 December 2010 (UTC)AmberAmber.bush (talk) 00:53, 29 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey Amber.bush, I'm glad you left a message on my talk page. It's often difficult to tell someone's intentions by the kinds of edits they make and you being an inexperienced editor making some technical mistakes is a warning flag to most experienced editors that something foul may be going on.  A lot of us revert a lot of vandalism so we're quite sensitive to some of the more subtle forms of it.  But now that you're communicating at least I'm going to take a different approach to things.


 * I am going to look closer at the sources for the claims that you disagree with and make changes where appropriate. That said, you are doing some things that when other editors see them are going to be reverted no matter how good your intentions are.  The line "Mr Capone-e did not graduate from Canyon Springs High School in Moreno Valley," even if true definitely does not belong.  If he didn't graduate from there then there's no point in mentioning it one way or the other.  I had changed it to that he attended the school and either you didn't read my edit carefully enough or you're saying it's incorrect as well as you reverted it.  Is it your position that he did not even attend that school?  Also, you haven't supplied the necessary copyright/licensing information with all the pictures you've uploaded and if you don't do so soon they will all be deleted.  Wikipedia is very picky about these things.  Finally, some of your prose comes across as not being very neutral, almost like a press release singing his praises.  Those things will have to be changed.


 * As I said, I'm going to look over the issues you raised a little more carefully this time but when I change the things I listed above please don't be offended. Things have to be done a certain way on Wikipedia and enough editors watch this page that the changes you made will be undone.  Just give me some time and be patient and if you have any further questions, comments, or concerns you can definitely contact me through my talk page. SQGibbon (talk) 05:14, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

OK, I looked closer at the article and here are the changes I made:

1) Removed the name Fahad Azam. I only found one source that supported the claim and it did not appear very reliable.  Obviously "Mr. Capone-E" is not his original name so it would be nice to find it and put it in the article.

2) Removed that he attended that high school. It was not clear from the source that it was the same person.

3) Removed all the images you added. As I said above, since you didn't supply the appropriate copyright information they are going to be deleted unless you do so.  If you do fix the problem then they can be added back in.

4) Capone vs. Mr. Capone-e. There are two sources supplied that talk about the rivalry.  That one of them is an archived version is perfectly acceptable within Wikipedia's rules.  The facts seem clear, the two of them have had problems and the way it's included in the article is pretty neutral.  I see no reason to remove it.

5) I restored the part about his concert being cancelled. The source was a good one and there is no reason to delete the claim.  These articles are supposed to be neutral with respect to the content meaning, in part, that both the good and the bad are there if notable enough and supported by reliable sources.  If you think either of these issues (#4 or #5) are not notable then please make that argument on the talk page.

6) You also added several claims that didn't have proper references. I removed those.

7) I removed the Asian and Pakistani categories as there were no sources supplied to support those claims.

8) Removed statements that were pure puffery, i.e., non-neutral statements about his importance and quality.

I think what's left is pretty decent. I would suggest that before making any of the kinds of changes you've made before you discuss them on the talk page. And if you have any questions or comments for me you can reach me on my talk page. SQGibbon (talk) 07:35, 29 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm going to deal with your points one-by-one.
 * 1) "Mr.Capone-e has performed over 1000 shows across the world streaming from Japan across Europe and the States. Nonthless you pick the one show that was cancelled!" A couple things you need to understand from the start, I don't know who Mr. Capone-E is, nor do I care.  I know nothing of his music nor do I care anything about rap music.  I know nothing about Capone and don't care.  I spend most of my time on Wikipedia reverting vandalism and occasionally when I see edit conflicts going on like with Capone-E's article, I step in to try to calm both sides down and get people to work together to make a good article. As regard to this particular show, as far as I knew that was the only show he'd ever been involved with.  That's how little I know about him and given that I don't care about him at all, I was not going to do any more research than that.  So you say he's performed at 1,000s of shows, did anything notable happen at those shows?  Maybe not, but this one show was notable and not because it was cancelled but why it was cancelled.  In reading about this I don't see anything negative about Mr. Capone-E in it but more that the people who cancelled the show look like racist idiots.  In any case this did happen, it was reported by a reliable source, it's different than what happens at the vast majority of shows, and therefore merits consideration for inclusion in the article.  If you have a good argument as to why it is non-notable please take it up on the talk page for Mr. Capone-E and build consensus with other editors.  At the least the prose might end up getting changed to make it more neutral if you think that's a problem.


 * 2)"As for the controversy between Capone-e and Capone I would like to advise you Capone is an artist who no longer exists. Capone deliberatley made and exposed those articles for his own benefit and exposure!" A quick Internet search seems to contradict your claim that Capone no longer exists.  He appears to have released a couple of albums as recently as last year.  In any case, the feud with Mr. Capone-E did happen and given that Capone is notable the feud again qualifies for consideration for inclusion in the Capone-E article.  If you feel that the feud was not very notable or you think the text is not neutral enough then please bring it up on the talk page and we'll reach some kind of consensus on how to deal with it.  I'm inclined to agree that the feud might not have been very notable given that the only two sources that talk about it are interviews with Capone and no references were made to secondary sources establishing the notability of the feud.  In any case text as is, is a little problematical.  The feud was not about Mr. Capone-E's ethnic background; Capone was just using that to insult Mr. Capone-E, so at the very least I think the text could be altered to mention the feud but change the description of it.


 * 3) "You have chosen to show the negative racial hate that Capone lashed out instead of all the good that fans have written worldwide and supporters of mr.Capone-E which are in the millions in comparison to the 1 percent hate." I haven't chosen to do anything.  I've looked at the existing sources for claims and made sure they seem legitimate and that's it.  I haven't made any editorial decisions concerning the actual content of the article since I don't care.  Once the basic issues of obvious vandalism are dealt with then cleaning up the content can begin, but right now we're still just fighting over basic conflicts.  Let's deal with these existing issues calmly, patiently, and assuming good faith, and I'm sure we can get everything worked out to make a good article.


 * 4) "It's like going into Snoop Dogg page and writing all the negative comments left by all the rappers that dissed Snoop Dogg." I agree that the text of the feud between Capone and Mr. Capone-E needs improvement, but it's interesting that you brought up Snoop Dogg.  I suggest you read his article at the section labelled "Legal issues".  There are more negative words about Snoop Dogg written in that section than the number of words in the entire Mr. Capone-E article.  That's the way of Wikipedia biographies, you get the good and the bad as long as it's written in a neutral manner, is properly sourced, and does not have undue weight applied to it.


 * 5) "With Regards to Canyon Springs, Mr. Capone-E attended a few high schools. to only mention Canyon Springs high school is irrelavant!" Biographies often mention the colleges that people attended or if not that then the high school.  It's a trivial thing and I can't see what problem you have with it.  If there's an insult there then it's completely over my head.  That said I had already removed that claim since the source wasn't good enough.


 * 6) "You seem to be involving yourself in the politics and tarnishing Mr. Capone-e's image when the page is simply for a artist and his story, facts not made up hate by opposing Artists." I am not involving myself in anything of the sort, but I've already talked about that.  So far most of your edits to the article have been in violation of Wikipedia policy and guidelines so I've spent most of my time dealing with that.  Now that you've finally started communicating I'm now trying to take in all your complaints, evaluate them, and then act accordingly.  I understand if you don't think this is moving quickly enough but that's the nature of Wikipedia.  Sometimes things just take a little while to work themselves out.  And when you make the kinds of edits you did last time then I have to spend my time fixing that instead of helping to deal with the other problems you see in the article.  I am not against Mr. Capone-E nor am I for him.  I just want a good article that conforms to Wikipedia's standards and if you work with me in good faith then the process will go smoothly.


 * 7) "the page shows no achivements for Albums that made top 100 in the rap charts." I'm confused by this, there are two charts in the article right now.  Are they wrong?  Are the missing information?  If you can point to a reliable source showing the problems then I'll get to work making them better.  There is no conspiracy on my part to keep that information off the page but since I know nothing about Mr. Capone-E you can't expect me to just know this kind of stuff either.


 * 8) "Hi-Power music is an independent label found by MR. Capone-e who also signed platinum artist like Bone Thugs, Lilflip etc. Hi-Power is one of the biggest independent labels,however these things are not mentioned on his page!" If you have sources to back up these claims then it seems more likely that Hi-Power deserves its own article.  In the meantime if you can point me to those sources at least some of it can be put in the article.  I'm not sure who Bone Thugs and Lilflip are but they don't appear to have Wikipedia articles which means it's not very notable that they're on that label.  That could be a problem for including that information but it's not insurmountable.


 * 9) " we own all the CD covers pictures etc. All the materials that I have uploaded are owned by us and our label, we can provide a letter of statement to you or wikipedia if need be." I don't understand all the issues surrounding uploading images on Wikipedia but I do know Wikipedia is very picky about things.  You can contact them and that will help facilitate getting the pictures accepted.  Part of this is agreeing to release those images under a license that allows anyone anywhere to copy and manipulate those images.  This is something you and your label might not be willing to do.  But as I said, I don't really understand that entire process very well and you'd do better asking for help elsewhere.  What I do know is that you didn't follow policy closely enough on the things that you did upload and unless you figure out how to get that stuff fixed, those images will be deleted (I've seen that happen many, many times).  Just so you know, I only deleted them from the article while they are pending review; I do not have the authority to delete them permanently or accept them.


 * 10) "Mr Capone e has been slandered for almost five years on wikipedia which does not help him as an Artist." I am sympathetic here.  There are problems and there have been problems that we've taken care of now.  Like I've said, it's a process.  One thing you do need to understand is that Wikipedia is not here to help him as an artist.  In fact that goes directly against Wikipedia policy so don't expect me or anyone else here to allow you to turn this article into a promotion piece for Mr. Capone-E. It's not going to happen.  At the same time we don't want to see it as a hatchet job against him.  We want neutrality, completeness (good and bad), and verifiability.


 * 11) You claimed earlier that his name is not Fahad. Then I'm curious how you respond to these two sources here and especially here.  The latter one indicates that Mr. Capone-E is the performer and someone named Azam Fahd wrote the songs.  Are these two different people and thus your claim would be that Mr. Capone-E doesn't write his own material or are they the same person? SQGibbon (talk) 08:06, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

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Move Mr. Capone-E to subpage
Hey, I've moved all the information you provided on my talk to a subpage as it was taking up a lot of space on the main page. You can access that page here if you have anything else to add or comments to make. Thanks. SQGibbon (talk) 21:14, 31 December 2010 (UTC)