User talk:Ambrose Pillfister

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Happy editing! Skyerise (talk) 18:00, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

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Hello, I'm Skyerise. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, John Lilly, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Skyerise (talk) 18:00, 9 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I did provide a reliable source!!! You mean a book written by a tenured historian which has been reviewed in the NYT and the New Yorker is unreliable? I can’t imagine then that anything in the Lilly bio would be considered reliable! You expect me to rewrite the book myself! 2600:1702:3AD0:AE70:F4D4:2D41:6D4E:7BA8 (talk) 18:09, 9 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Yes, you included attribution to a source. But that's not a citation, which should include a specific page number for each claim made. Also, yes, it's a reviewed book - but it is a primary rather than secondary source for the writer's opinions. Secondary sources are preferred because not everything someone writes in a book is considered notable by third parties. We prefer a source that says "Joe Blow's opinion is ..." to "Joe Blow writes in his own book that ..." Skyerise (talk) 18:42, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Also, please note that new material should generally not be added to the article's lead section. The lead section is a summary, and should not include anything not covered in more detail in the article body. Also, citing a source is different than simply attributing it. Citation should be in footnotes and should include page number so another editor can easily verify the claims you make in an addition. If different facts stated are on different pages, you need to supply a citation with page number for each sentence with the page number specified. Skyerise (talk) 18:05, 9 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Okay I’ve got the book right here. I will rewrite it with page numbers. And try to put in in. a place you approve Ambrose Pillfister (talk) 18:12, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * You want me to enter the info only in footnote not in a paragraph talking about his use of dolphins. Where is the footnote area? Ambrose Pillfister (talk) 18:14, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Preferably you add a complete citation including ISBN to the "Works cited" section, then use the template to produce linked short citations with page numbers. Also, if you are citing someone's opinions from a primary source, it is preferable to include a third-party source such as a review which show that others consider that opinion notable. Skyerise (talk) 18:35, 9 April 2024 (UTC)