User talk:Amcaja/Archive5

reversions/comments
if someone reverts my edits without just cause, he/she should expect to see a comment on his/her talk page.

Justforasecond 21:16, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


 * user talk pages are a great method of communication (see how you and i are using them? ;), but i'll give the article talk page a shot. hopefully she'll respond.  btw, would you care to weigh in on recent additions?   a couple of editors are removing cited content and replacing with uncited content.  -Justforasecond


 * a week later and you haven't commented on the dispute itself, you just told me not to talk to other editors about it.  not good behavior, brian.  Justforasecond 23:35, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Um, what? I'm a busy person outside of Wikipedia. I don't have time to mediate every little dispute that comes up. I had Deeceevoice's page on my watchlist, and I know nothing about the page y'all are arguing about. So kindly lay off. — Amcaja 01:01, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Um....kindly lay off bugging me if you aren't going to look into even the most basic details of the matter. Its uncivil.   Justforasecond 06:09, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Is it? I look forward to the RfC then. — Amcaja 16:16, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Beaird article
Is this the way to contact you, Brian. I removed some red links from the Beaird article because I thought I was supposed to do so. Can you tell me how in simple language to attach a photo to a biography? The instructions are complicated. Als what key gives one the top-bottom slash. I don't know which key this is -- so I have to copy and past that little symbol when I need it, which is all the time. Thanks, Billy Hathorn (It is not clear how to reply.)


 * Go to Special:Upload Billy —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Billy Hathorn (talk • contribs).
 * Hi, Billy. Yeah, there's really no reason to remove redlinks from an article unless you truly feel that no article could conceivably be written on the linked-to subject. Per Build the web, it's actually a good idea to link to pertinent terms, since others will see the red links and (hopefully) be drawn to create articles about them to turn them blue.


 * As for photos, here are some basic instructions: 1) Click "Upload file" on the toolbox to the left of your screen. 2) Click "Choose File". 3) In the window that appears, find the photo you want and choose it. 4) Back in the Wikipedia upload page, choose a "destination filename". Choose something explicit and not easily confused. For example, Charles_Beaird.jpg would be a better name than Charles.jpg. 5) In the "Summary" box, type a brief description of the photo. For example: "Charles Beaird, 1954, at his home." In the same area, give the source of the file (either a website address, or whether the photo is one from your own personal collection, etc.). 6) Click on the "Licensing" pull-down menu. Choose the appropriate license. Assuming you took the photo or have permission from the copyright holder to upload it, you can choose "GFDL" to indicate you are willing to allow others to use the image if they wish. Normally, you may not upload an image that you do not want others to be able to use for their own projects. One other option is to choose "fair use", which indicates that you do not own the copyright but that you are asserting that the photo is being used in accordance with "fair use" laws in various countries. 7) Click "Upload file".


 * To include the photo in the article on Charles T. Beaird, you only need to include the following line at the top of the article: [[Image:PHOTONAME.jpg|thumb|250px|right|Caption caption caption.]] . Replace "PHOTONAME" with the name of your uploaded photo, and replace "caption caption caption" with a caption about the photo (who's in it, where they are, date, etc.). The 250px part tells the software how big to make the photo in pixels, so you can adjust it up or down to suit your tastes. "Right" tells the software to move the photo to the right of the page. You can also choose "left", but if you're only uploading one photo, right should be fine.


 * As for the top-bottom slash, do you mean the pipe character? This: | ? On my keyboard, it is located on the same key as \, just to the right of ]. So I don't think you will have to copy and paste it.


 * I know that some of this sounds complicated, but I have given you very detailed instructions so that you can hopefully follow them easily. Please do not hesitate to ask more questions if you get stuck. Oh, one last note: Don't forget to sign your talk-page comments. You do it by typing ~ at the end of your comments. Good luck! — Amcaja 16:16, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Opinion needed for a fictional character article
After spending half day yesterday expanding and completing the Goldmoon article, reaching a somewhat satisfactory (for me) shape, while doing some cleaning patrol I noticed your tips about the Darth Vader article. Thus, after reading the fictional article guidelines and your own essay, Writing about fiction, I rewrote the article to fit both criterias.

Since I consider you have quite a good knowledge about the guidelines, if you have an extra minute I would like hearing your opinion about the the War of Souls section, which I finished earlier today. You will realize I wrote the section in the past tense, while it is expected to be in the present tense. Should I change it? Do you have any other thought about it? I know it is hard to understand beginning from the end (hopefully you have already read or not planning on reading the trilogy).

I have also finished the Dragons of a New Age series and the Controversy section, all the others are still focusing on the character as if she were alive, so if you wish to read some more, consider those two other sections only. I am also worried about the references: since I fill all the fields and add a relevant quote from the book, their section becomes just too large. Do you have an advice for this? Thanks in advance! -- ReyBrujo 20:54, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi, ReyBrujo. I had hoped to take a look at the article over my lunch break today, but that didn't pan out. I'll try to give it a look in the next couple of days. But I wanted to add a note here so you wouldn't think I was ignoring you! — Amcaja 20:29, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Roger that. If you have any comment to do, please do it in the article's talk page so that it can be seen by anyone else. I have continued editing and cleaning, with some luck I will have all sections cleaned before you get a chance to check it out. Thanks again! -- ReyBrujo 20:31, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Disputed history of Igbos
As you have asked me to stop reverting the Igbo people page, I will ask you the same. Please stop reverting the page. How can my edits be removing the source, when I was the one who sourced the edit? While I am fully aware and fully accept that Nat Okafor-Ogbaji's viewpoint, at present, is in the minority in terms of mainstream thought, this does not make him a "controversial" historian. You may be partial and in doubt towards said historians theory, however, this is not evidence enough to qualify Okafor-Ogbaji as "controversial". The whole point of my source, is that viewers can use the link, read the text in its entirety and decide for themselves whether he is credibe/"controversial". Also, whether the fact that the Igbos are descendants of the ancient Hebrews is true or indeed a fallacy, this does not change the fact that Eri, Arodi, and Areli ARE the sons of Gad. So while I accept that it would be slightly biased or partial to refer to them as "great explorers", they are brothers and sons of Gad never the less. This is not just the case, "according to Nat Okafor-Ogbaji", one only needs to open up a King James version Bible to verify this empirical fact (Gen 46:16). Ike.Q 13:15, 23 May 2006 (UTC)


 * You've got email, Brian. &mdash; mark &#9998; 19:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Brian, I've looked in on it, and the current state seems pretty close to how you left it. - Jmabel | Talk 00:24, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, both of you. And keep the page on your watch lists. — Amcaja 03:02, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Foster article
Didn't appreciate that. But since James Melville's article doesn't mention his descedent, Moby, I'm letting it go. Parsssseltongue 21:25, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I was perfectly willing to discuss this, so I hope I didn't offend. My reasoning is basically this: If you've got two subjects that have some relationship to one another, the relationship is only notable for the less famous or "notable" of the two. Thus, for example, we don't add a line to United States stating that Kelly Clarkson is from the United States. However, it is worth noting in Kelly Clarkson's article that she is from the United States; she's the less notable of the two subjects, and it's relevant information to have. Your article makes many links to other articles, but not all of these do or should link back to it. As a more noteworthy subject, I think Stephen Foster is one of these. Anyway, sorry if I offended. — Amcaja 23:04, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. However, as in the Moby/Melville example, you have one person notable from the past, and one person notable from the present. It is hard to measure who has heard more about Moby the singer, for instance, than who have heard about the author of "Moby Dick." Hence, my inclusion. However, I didn't know the ancestor's article had no mention of the descendent. Parsssseltongue 23:11, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Samba Page
Great work on the Samba article. As a Historian, I find it a remarkably good short biography. So B.S., my compliments --V. Joe 01:43, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'm glad you liked it. I'm trying to get back into the groove of writing on Cameroon, so I hope there'll be more short (and long) bios to come. — Amcaja 12:45, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Your proposal for Writing about fiction
Brian, prompted by Articles about fictional concepts, I took the liberty of moving your proposed guidelines to Manual of Style (writing about fiction) and announcing it on the community portal and the village pump.--ragesoss 23:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, ragesoss. I've been intending to move it to the next "step" in getting it approved as a guideline, but had gotten really busy in real life. I'm a bit nervous about how it'll be received, but worst-case scenario is that it's branded an "essay". Guess I'll go have a look at what people are saying about it . . . . — Amcaja 12:45, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

The Padlock
I see you have reverted. I'd like to explain why all operas are listed in cat 'operas'. That is the way we have always done it on the Opera Project as it helps us to keep track of what is a very large umber of articles. (Comic Opera is actually not a real genre and is not really viable as a category anyway.) Hope that clarifies things. - Kleinzach 21:13, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Request for your feedback
Hi Brian

Because a few nominators of FACs have appeared to need/desire a formal explanation of how they can improve their prose, I had the idea of writing an article dedicated to this purpose. It would be a complement to Taxman's and Jengod's articles, and "Great writing" and "The perfect article". I wonder whether you'd mind having a look at it and letting me know what yout think, in terms of the overall concept and the effectiveness and appropriateness of the training aspect. I've completed only the introduction and the first area, "Redundancy", for which there are about 30 exercises. The remainder is just a messy paste-in of notes.

I don't want to continue until I have other people's opinions on the approach.

Thanks Tony 05:13, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks very much, Brian. I'll implement the changes that you suggested. Tony 13:19, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Gambling
Is it just me or is there an attitude problem (by editor 2005 and possibly others) on this article and its talk page? I am thinking particularly of his involvement with me and the earlier comments about archiving. Maybe I an just too new to know what is going on. You understand I am not so much comcerned about my particular edit but more about the attitude.Abtract 18:00, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I've piped in with my opinion on the dispute. I thought the discussion was pretty civil, actually, although your last comment is straying out of that territory with its sarcasm. (If there's a specific comment made by 2005 you want me to comment on, please point it out.) Just try to keep a cool head, and if things, don't settle, check out Dispute resolution. — Amcaja 02:43, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. As you will have seen I am pretty new at this. I think perhaps I went into the Gambling edit almost expecting trouble because I had previously read the archived comments by Trail Guide. I know nothing about that particular dispute except that during the time I have been involved with Gambling (only a week or so, maybe 2) I have witnessed even more comments by Trail Guide being archived off the Talk:Gambling page - presumably to conceal the comments from casual passers by. When I read the initial dispute (just for interest, I noticed that it all stemmed from a desire to insert a link (pehaps for commercial gain I don't know but it seemed maybe not) so I decided to see what would happen if I inserted a link. I chose an obviously non-commercial one GamCare but this was reverted out of hand thus mirroring the experience of Trail Guide. I have no particular interest in that site being on or not but it did seem odd that one user could revert, out of hand, a completely harmless but potentially useful link. Then, to demonstrate my serious intent in the article, I carred out some detailed and I believe very helpful edits mostly on the variables involved in gambling - these have been left undisturbed. In the meantime I had read another dispute (can't trace it now) about the contents being on the right. I was amazed because until that point I had assumed it was there only for me because I was using a laptop and it was that which caused the contents to be squeezed out of position. So I decided to put my voice behind the "contents on the left" side by first making my comment about it "looking a mess" and then 2 days later whan no-one had commented, by making an edit. The rest you will have read no doubt. Enough ... I will watch the sarcasm; you are right but it was very tempting when their only justification seems to be "useless whitespace". I won't persue the dispute but maybe you could watch that page occasionally? Incidentally didn't you think his response to your comment was somewhat dismissive? Thanks again I appreciate it; I owe you one. Abtract 07:28, 1 June 2006 (UTC).
 * Yeah, it does appear that TrialGuide was kind of dismissed out of hand (I'm assuming good faith on 2005's response to me). I am guessing that his or her comments were removed because they were construed as personal attacks. I don't think he or she was actually trying to attack anyone, but the comments could have been seen that way. And in that case, I believe that archiving is a superior solution to simply deleting comments. I can't speak to his/her accusations that comments were altered. If in your editing you get the impression that some users are trying to establish ownership over the article and won't compromise or discuss things, you can begin the dispute resolution. — Amcaja 12:02, 1 June 2006 (UTC).

OK thanks again. Gambling looks better and I have learned a lot; what more could a guy want? Abtract 19:38, 1 June 2006 (UTC).

I draw your attention to Gambling again (and the edits/discussion on perceived). I am about to go on holiday for a few weeks but it seems to me that yet again the "owner" of this article is deciding out of hand which edits to accept and which to reject - in a very definite way. Abtract 06:43, 23 June 2006 (UTC).
 * You're good, thanks. Abtract 14:41, 23 June 2006 (UTC).

Germany portal DYK
I don't know if you took the talk page off your watchlist, so here's my answer again: If you have a good DYK for the Germany portal, you can always just be bold and add it to Portal:Germany/Did you know. The DYKs there are done in a very informal way. Kusma (討論) 21:31, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

source for table in Cameroon provinces?
Do you have a source for the table (I think you added) on the Cameroon Provinces page? Specifically the demographic data, been looking all over to find the original data from the 1987 census. Thanks for your help. kbananas 12:56, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I've added the source that I (believe that I) used. I did that chart back before I understood the importance of citing sources; I'm glad you asked about it so I could rectify my mistake! But to answer your question more directly: I believe that the source was this website. — Amcaja 16:47, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the source info!! That's a really useful link for my research - kbananas 11:43, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Pigs Is Pigs (1937 film)
Noted your remark. Just writing to say: Thank you. -- Jason Palpatine 21:34, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * My pleasure! — Amcaja 22:41, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Uh no...
Thanks for the welcome, but I've been here for years. I reverted an administrator's sockpuppet's vandalism and was blocked for it. In the future I can be reached at User:KI. Tchadienne 16:15, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Front page nj pic
You made a comment back in March about how a different picture should be used if History of New Jersey were to be put on the front page. Is this any better? -- ZeWrestler  Talk 18:55, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Administrative divisions of Cameroon
Hey - in the midst of my changes and your reverts, I consulted the official Cameroon government page (http://www.spm.gov.cm/showdoc.php?id_docs=21&lang=en&tpl=1) and found the 'official' breakdown (my source must be from the 'old' makeup). While the UN views them as "departments" (hence the French nomenclature), I appreciate the input... and will follow suit with a breakdown series of maps of the 'divisions'. :) Rarelibra 17:53, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the confusion - but I was agreeing with your "Cameroonian" input. :) Um, interestingly enough, the website you mentioned, "Statoids", while being good for finding all kinds of resources, I have found many times that it has old or incorrect information. The amazing thing about Wikipedia is how accurate the information really is! (vice any vandalism). Take care! Rarelibra 18:32, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

fiction
fiction is not only for situations where the character is fictional, but also for where the content currently on the page is largely from fictional material not backed up by actual historical material. i am therefore reverting all of your removals of fiction. If you have particular disputes with regard to some of these characters, please discuss on the appropriate talk pages. --Nlu (talk) 18:02, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, I see. It would be a good idea for you to add a note to the talk pages of those articles specifying the problem as you have described it here. Otherwise, the box has little meaning and is likely to be removed again. — Amcaja 01:32, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Could you read a couple of articles for me?
Hi, as you've put a lot of work into writing guidelines for fiction based articles, I was wondering if you'ld mind checking a couple of articles that the Stargate wikiproject plan to submit to FAC in the near future: Stargate (device) and DNA Resequencer. If you've got the time to give us a brief review, it would be a great help. Thanks! --Tango 22:25, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll take a look at them and post my comments. Hopefully tonight. — Amcaja 15:50, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Mami Wata
Done. -- Szvest 14:36, 15 June 2006 (UTC) Wiki me up&#153;

Apsaras/Tennin
Hi, I was hoping you would pipe in at Talk:Tennin or Talk:Apsara explaining how you know that these are two different things. My books on Japanese art history say they are the same, and I was hoping someone would come forth with sources that agreed or disagreed. Do you have such sources? Thanks, — Amcaja
 * My reply: I have several sources including Dictionary of Hindu Lore and Legend (ISBN 0500510881) by Anna Dhallapiccola and Hindu Goddesses: Vision of the Divine Feminine in the Hindu Religious Traditions (ISBN 8120803795) by David Kinsley telling about Apasaras and they have never equated them with any other legendary or mythical entity. The book on the Japanese Art may have mentioned both being the same – that would not make them the same as the concept of Apsaras are older than the Buddhism, and they find references in the Rig Veda. Hindu scriptures and Hindu mythology tell about scores of Apasaras and they live in the court of Indra. Some of the Apasaras include Urvasi, Menaka, and Rambha. As regards references, there are several which do not connect them with any other type of fairies or angels. I would request you to please note that wikipedia has still to become the ultimate sources of sum total of human knowledge, and hence contents continue to be fine-tuned. Similarly, I saw yesterday a merge tag to merge Durga with Durga Puja – I removed the same as any such merger is like merging Christ with Christianity or vice versa. I think that you understand the issues involved. I feel your book on art may have equated Tennin with Apsara to give more weight to the concept of Tennin or to clarify the point to the uninitiated – though I can not comment on that book as I have not read the same. There are several books which claim so many things and all such claims should be weighed on the totality of the available sources. I am not sure if Tennin is an exact Japanese word for Apasara – only  under this situation, both shall be the same. Regards. --Bhadani 09:14, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I would suggest that you should not merge Tennin with Apsara as after reading contents of Tennin, I am sure that both are different "things". --Bhadani 09:19, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Great work

 * Thanks! Couldn't have done it without you, though. You took the ball and ran with it. Glad I could help along the way. — Amcaja 02:20, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Fiction
I saw and liked your comments on User talk:Tango. Very insightful and constructive. Would you, in principle, be willing to help with some of the book articles I've done or am (supposedly) doing? I may have bitten off more than I can chew. Good work in any case. (PS I see you're another Africa hand!) --Guinnog 17:11, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. If you haven't already, you can read the guideline that we were discussing, the recently adopted Manual of Style (writing about fiction). Real life is biting with a vengeance at the moment, but I'd be happy to take a look at your book articles when I've got the chance. Can't promise much, sadly, though. What articles in particular are you referring to? — Amcaja 18:50, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Azeris
Moved a few pictures to the left. Any other criticisms or comments? Thanks. Tombseye 23:39, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm reading through the article at the moment. I'll post more soon, hopefully this evening or tomorrow. — Amcaja 19:12, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

List of names of Disney characters in other languages
Do we have a policy about interwiki "red"links? My thought is that when the Disney-translation cruft gets inserted in articles, it be made into interwiki links. The only problem is, that will probably end up pointing to some articles that don't exist. Mango juice talk 21:27, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm unaware of any policy against "redlink" interwikis, although these will not show up as red. I think your idea is a good one though; tranform this translationcruft into interwiki links. But I'd say that non-existent interwikis should not be added. — Amcaja 02:29, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Azeri stuff
Hey thanks for the help and support on Azeris! Well, if you feel strongly about rewording the history section and the origin section coming first, bring it up on the discussion page. As the guy who wrote and nominated the article, once it's a Featured Article, my work is done. Some people might be okay with what you want, while others may resist, but hey I'm just glad it's over and hopefully the article will make it to FA status soon, given the universal support now. Ciao. Tombseye 02:11, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem; it was a pleasure to support. Sorry if I came off as a curmudgeonly bear; I tend to only support a few FACs from time to time, but I try to make certain the article is as close to perfect as possible before I do so . . . . This one caught my eye as I plan to do a major overhaul to Maka people sometime soon. As another article on an ethnic group, I wanted to see what others were saying about your FAC run. I think I learned quite a bit! — Amcaja 02:23, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I thought your criticisms were good and I welcome the input as it makes the article that much stronger. It should become a featured article any day now I'd say. Glad the article was an inspiration. Let me know if you need help on the Maka. They sound interesting! Tombseye 21:58, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

OFH Sources
Brian-- just wanted to mention that I hope to get those sources for 'Old Folks at Home' over the weekend (it's a matter of finding two books and one journal among unordered hundreds in my parents' basement). If no success I'll put that paragraph on ice myself. JDG 02:28, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Great; thanks for not forgetting about this! — Amcaja 03:10, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Citation checks
Hey, I didn't notice your comment on my talk until now (someone else posted after you; I'm not used to more than one at a time :-)). I do go after print sources; I have a very good library collection at my disposal, which is what gave me the idea in the first place. Of the three reviews I've done so far, only one has been print heavy; I've actually been surprised how much some FA noms rely on web sources; I guess the ones I usually comment on tend to be on subjects that tend more towards print sourcing. If I keep this project up over the long term, it may be interesting to see whether there's a correlation between number of errors and type of sources used, or something of that sort. --RobthTalk 04:59, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Replied there. — Amcaja 14:06, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Jabba the Hutt
Hey, I've (finally) addressed the majority of your concerns about the Jabba the Hutt article from the peer review. I'm still not too sure about some of the prose, though. What do you think should be done with this article now? Dmoon1 05:05, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Great! I'll take a look at it in the next couple of days. Just moved to a new place, so may take longer than I'd like it to, but don't think I've forgotten you. — Amcaja 14:06, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I hate to bother you, but do you know anything about adding audio clips to articles? Someone at FAC asked for an audio clip of Jabba the Hutt since some of the discussion in the article is over producing his voice and sound effects in Return of the Jedi. I have attempted to add the best example I could find, but I'm not doing something right. I've never added sound to an article before, so these are unchartered waters for me. Thanks. Dmoon1 02:07, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look tomorrow. Not sure how much good I'll do, but I have successfully added sound clips to an article before! — Amcaja 02:22, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey
Didn't want to give you the wrong impression. I'm being stalked by sockpuppeteer right now, and one of the many harassing things he's done is mindlessly place tags on my edits, which made me in no particular hurry to come back and add a cite. Admins are on the case, and I'm hoping he'll eventually get bored of it and remember he's a grownup. Oh, and just FYI, if you haven't read Low Life yet, I highly recommend it. IronDuke 21:37, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay. Seems like a strange way to stalk someone, but at least it's an original one. :) — Amcaja 04:05, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Examples for fiction
BTW, thanks for beefing up the examples! Can I be a pain and ask for one more example? Is there a good one to look at for a specific TV episode? Are the specific DR Who episodes good to go by? Thanks! plange 18:29, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I don't know of any exemplary articles on individual television episodes. The Dr. Who episode articles aren't bad, but I think they are too given over to plot synopses. It would be nice to have some production notes to balance them out. In fact, the "Notes" section in a lot of them (The Chase (Doctor Who), for example) gives a lot of this background info, but it would be better to convert it into prose and give it its own section called "Production" or what have you. Sorry if this doesn't help you much! — Amcaja 18:36, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * That's okay, it'll make me work hard to maybe make one of ours a good example! I'm currently working on trying to get Serenity (Firefly episode) to be a good example. Let me know what you think! I'm not quite there....plange 18:52, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I'd like your opinion....
Hi Brian,

As I mentioned in passing on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (writing about fiction), I've been working on Donut (Red vs Blue), which is a shorter (16 KB or so, including references) article on a fictional character. As character article go, it's sort of a pilot for us at WikiProject Machinima. If you have the time and interest, I'd appreciate any feedback that you might have on it. I'll admit upfront that it's a little light on the critical reception side, but I don't think that there's much more that I can do about that, given the relative lack of information there; instead, I tried to focus on how the creators attempted to develop the character and how the voice acting was done. Thanks. — TKD::Talk 05:29, 7 July 2006 (UTC)