User talk:Americasroof/Archive 4

Photo warnings
I've given up defending non-free photos. The critieria changed since I uploaded them. The warnings muddle the talk page so I'm putting them together

131st Fighter Wing; Answer To Your Question
Yes I can confirm that they will start to leave Lambert in mid 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moairguard (talk • contribs) 23:59, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

TWA edits
Av8er (talk) 01:40, 4 January 2008 (UTC)I am very intrigued by your editing of the TWA history, and am curious about your background information and documentation. Having spent most of my life associated with TWA and as a former employee, I’ve become a passionate, purest researcher. Sadly, much has been written by those who were not there. Many simply rephrased flawed newspaper reports and combined hearsay and assumptions. Thus I’m always interested in new information, and would love to know your sources. My information is original TWA publications and papers from the 1920’s through 1940s. Though I am a Wiki neophyte I would like to discuss this with you. Av8er
 * When I started the last round of edits it was coming from a International Directory of Company Histories, Vol. 35. St. James Press, 2001 which is an excellent source for formal company biographies of all types. I have appreciated your efforts to contribute to the article but some of the edits too heavily implied that in its early years it was run by a Vice President Paul Richter rather than its President Jack Frye and Chairman Howard Hughes.  The constant repeating of Richter's name gave undo weight to him. Americasroof (talk) 05:20, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Americasroof,

As a Wiki beginner I am confused by your edits…. You have stated that; “Others have used a bit of heavy handed editing which I think has dimininshed the articles somewhat” I was not aware that adding facts is “heavy handed editing”. By “consolidating and beginning pruning richter's name which appears way too many times - the way things are written you would think everything was done by the VP!” Your editing has changed the true history by deleting facts and adding a 2001 assumption.(Boeing reference) I think there must be a difference between ‘editing’ and rewriting the history. Your opinion of “ too much reference to Richter” indicates a lack of understanding of the nature and operation of TWA. It was never a one man co. as with UA or EA. TWA’s uniqueness was it's three pioneer founders. Frye, Hamilton, Richter were referred to as “the Three Musketeers of Aviation” over a 20 yr period. Howard Hughes was not active in the management of TWA until 1946. TWA called itself “The Airline Run by Flyers” because of these three men plus Tomlinson, Fritz and the many other pioneers associated with it. This in no way included the TAT New York bankers as you have inferred. For TWA history written by TWA from TWA publications you might like to see www.TWAspirit.com. Happy to talk about this with you. Av8er (talk) 21:52, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I appreciate your passion. The article I referenced International Directory of Company Histories, Vol. 35. St. James Press, 2001 is a pretty dispassionate company history.  Company histories are usually defined by their chairmen and presidents and not by their vice presidents.  You're quoting from a site that pays homage to Richter so it's suspect.  Richter was important but his name should not be in every single paragraph which was the case.  When the profusion of Richter edits were first done, there were other people objecting and consequently templates have been thrown on the article by others questioning its validity. All standard histories of TWA reflect my view.Americasroof (talk) 20:30, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

material copied tag on 2007 Brooklyn tornado
The "nofootnote" tag is to indicate that material is copied in the article. See talk page item already started, discuss there please. doncram (talk) 17:38, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The article was not copied so I changed the footnote. The template that was placed on the article inappropriately says no citations.  There were 14 citations.  Americasroof (talk) 17:40, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

External map service links
Hello. You have been identified as having added or removed direct external map service links in articles. There is a discussion at Wikipedia talk:External links about which should be done, and some more opinions would be good to find community consensus. --Para (talk) 17:11, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * All I did was move the coordinates into the infobox (which is where it belongs). I don't have strong opinions one way or the other but the infobox has a blank field for the coordinates which needed to be completed.  Americasroof (talk) 17:34, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well you did remove the geolinks-US-surrounds template at the same time, and it links to a map service, but if you didn't notice that and only considered the coordinate placement, that's fine, I don't expect everyone to have an opinion on the linking matter. Thanks for answering. --Para (talk) 17:42, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comments. I didn't realize there was a whole firestorm over geolinks/mapit.  I've added a ton of mapits to articles -- only to see their use as I understood it disappear or be in a nearly invisible position.  To me coordinates in an infobox trumps any other configuration. Americasroof (talk) 18:00, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Missouri ACW Articles
Thanks for the feedback! I think that you, Scott Mingus, and others did a great job with the originals. Since then quite a few anonymous edits, etc. have introduced strong POV and quite a few outright errors. I'm cleaning those up as best I can. I'm trying to more tightly link the existing articles together. I'm also trying to expand some of the articles that are presently short summaries. There are a few topics to add to give various terms more consistent application (especially the various militia) and I'm trying to put together the references/resources to present them accurately. Red Harvest (talk) 15:46, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I am wondering
what makes:

August Meyer Memorial, 10th and Paseo, Kansas City, Missouri; 1909

fit into the Architectural Sculpture category? Carptrash (talk) 04:46, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I moved it up to the public monuments section of Daniel Chester French. Thanks for the catch. Americasroof (talk) 04:52, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * P.S. You might be amused why your Pioneer Mother photo is being used on Howard Vanderslice. Thanks for the photo.  Americasroof (talk) 04:56, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * P.P.S. I just saw all the nukes on the photos you took of sculptures. That sucks big time.  If they get super strict on all this, they will also hit photos of buildings.  I have posted hundreds of photos to wikipedia.  That really sucks the fun out of doing this. Americasroof (talk) 05:07, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, One thing is, thanks for careing and checking into my . . . criminal career as a copy right law culprit. Or something.  I'll need to check into your architecture photos because American architecture is near and dear to me.  The copyright laws are different for buildings than sculpture, though I do not agree with the spin we've been getting here on sculpture.  I mean, Mt Rushmore?  Is that next?  Thank you also for pointing out the Pioneer Woman usage.  Might as well enjoy it until it disappears.  I've been spending more and more time and effort OFF wikipedia recently, going or creating places where my pictures and opinions and original research are welcome.  Here is where the Pioneer Mother   will soon appear.  Life is good.  Carptrash (talk) 08:23, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

PS. The reson that I noticed your edit was if you see anything about architectural sculpture here, (wikipedia) chances are I've done it. except the article architectural sculpture which was done by someone with whom I have docternal differences and I've just let it go. I'm not here to argue. Anyway, i didn't think the work you entered was architectural, but I was not sure, so I thought I'd ask. I've enjoyed going over your user page, mine is prtty striped these days, and would love to sit down and have a beer with you, because, if for no other reason, I'm older than most of these folks here too. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 08:41, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * We had a earlier discussion about another Missouri sculpture (I'm afraid to be specific if you're being stalked ;-) ) Nuking photos that posters have taken of 3D sculptures -- especially ones that are in outdoor public places -- just seems so inherently wrong and almost impossible to enforce.  I thought the issue was that you could not profit from a photo.  After a few bruising article for deletion fights (most involving parents of Presidents), I finally discovered the silver bullet to protect my articles -- a person is presumed notable if there are third party sources about them.  There has got to be a silver bullet out there to stop these rampant attacks on photos.  I would like to sit down for a beer with you. Americasroof (talk) 15:25, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Nodaway County, Missouri tornado: 6-12-1881
P.S. I would be interested in the June 12, 1881, Nodaway County, Missouri tornado criteria.

If you haven't already found this info, here are the details from Grazulis' book:

Time: 4:30 PM Deaths: 2 Injuries: 15 Path Width: 800 yds Path Length: 15 miles

Moved NE from 3 miles W of Burlington to the Iowa border. This huge multiple-vortex tornado moved NE, passing 2m SE of Clearmont and 6m W of Hopkins. In the latter area, at least 2 farms were completely swept away. It is possible that it reached F5 intensity.

This outbreak produced a number of other F2 or stronger storms across parts of KS, MO and IA.

Davidals (talk) 22:40, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * What a wonderful surprise! Thank you so much!  I can usually track almost any book down here in NYC but his book is not to be had here.  When I go back to Missouri, my time is pretty lean and so I've never had the time!  Thank you so much.  I was wanting to see the exact wording in the book!  I wrote on the article on the basis of the F5 list that was on wiki.  I don't know if you saw it, I posted the entire Maryville newspaper account of the tornado on the discussion page of the Hopkins tornado article.  Yes, it was strong from what we've heard of later F5's, it does not seem that big.  But I can't argue with an authority like Grazulis Americasroof (talk) 22:52, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

New Mexico history
Thanks for your kind words. For the Texas viewpoint of the 1841 filibuster see Texan Santa Fe Expedition. Also interesting are the "Black Bean Episode" in 1843 where 17 Texans were caught and hanged, and the "Snively Expedition" of 1843 which was turned aside by Federal (US) troops? You might also look at the Mora, New Mexico article which mentions an 1843 Texan attack. I always liked Millard Fillmore sending 750 Federal troops to New Mexico in 1850 to block the threatened Texas takeover of Santa Fe. --Bejnar (talk) 23:04, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much. I will definitely incorporate that.  It may be a while, it sure seems like red lines and interesting sidebars keep diverting me. Americasroof (talk) 01:25, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Tex Austin
Thanks for your comprehensive edits to the Tex Austin article. I have corrected the 1934 date in Great Britain to 1924, based upon the New York Times article and other mentions. (I had conflicting sources on that when I did my first draft.) By the way, the Template:BD not only provides the Default Sort for the name, but also the Birth and Death year categories. Pretty neat! Great working with you. --Bejnar (talk) 15:09, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Once again you came up with some really spectacular stuff. New Mexico is very lucky to have somebody as knowledgeable and conscientious as you.  I'm real obsessive with Missouri history particularly Kansas City.  And of course the Santa Fe Trail terminal was there and the Mexican-American War was waged from nearby Fort Leavenworth.  Doing this has opened up a hole can of interesting worms with NM connections in KC!  I'm sure I will be seeing more of you! ;-)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Vermejo Park Ranch, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid (talk) 23:23, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much. You really made my day!

Skinner Building
You're too fast for me! I explained my rationale on the Talk:5th Avenue Theatre page at the same time that you were leaving a message on my talk page. While your proposed alternative language is possible, I'm sure the Skinner building was named for an individual and not a family as your language would suggest. I may have even run across the answer when I was researching the 5th Avenue Theatre article. But because the article wasn't about the Skinner building, I wouldn't have noted it as important to the article.

Why not research the real answer first rather than rewording it to state something that may not be true? -- Ltvine | Talk 02:45, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * We have all messages all over the place now. ;-)  I responded on the 5th Avenue page and will continue the discussion there.  I suggested some other wording.  The Ned Skinner angle which connects two important Seattle landmarks is definitely noteworthy. Americasroof (talk) 02:50, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks...
... for catching my "Canton, Ohio/Maryville, Missouri" blunder in the Bearcats coaches! I have a program and I think there was some kind of typo with it! --Paul McDonald (talk) 06:04, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I was actually going to put a "thank you" on your page for writing the articles. It was a real pleasant surprise to see you had written as a complete list of Northwest coaches is probably pretty obscure for most folks not associated with the school.  I've made the boiler plate mistake myself on some articles.  Thanks again! Americasroof (talk) 12:50, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * You're very welcome! Small college football coaches have been a hobby of mine on Wikipedia.  Figure I've done over 50 or so.  If you ever have a school you want run, let me know and I'll get to it!  Today I'm going to try to do The Citadel, if I can find the data!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulmcdonald (talk • contribs) 21:29, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Temple Lot
I see you've worked a lot on Temple Lot. It looks really good and I was impressed with the level of detail; I wanted you to give you a heads up that there have been some kind of weird edits happening on it by User:Jeh akuse. I've already reverted a few, and I thought you might want to be aware. Good Ol’factory (talk) 10:34, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. I was there last week and spent a lot of time talking to folks from the various churches so I will probably be posting some new additions soon.  19:39, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Ann Dunham
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Spitzer, Senior
Nobody seemed to think he was notable outside the N.Y. City limits until his son got in trouble. Note that my nomination for speedy deletion was just that, a nomination. Unless another administrator agrees with my reasoning, the article will stay. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  18:38, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry if you feel I'm trying to circumvent the process; such was certainly not my intent. I really think this is a matter of the guy being of interest because his son is famous, and my nomination reflects that. No insult to your or your work here is intended in any way.-- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  18:45, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

thanks!
Thanks for creating 1888 Democratic National Convention. Happy editing and cheers, Kingturtle (talk) 15:29, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you!Americasroof (talk) 18:34, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Guide to reporting vandals
Hi there. Following your vandal notice on the Admin noticeboard earlier today, there are two things that I would like to point you towards which might help you in the future: If you have any further questions, just ask. 52 Pickup  (deal)  18:29, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Guide to administrator intervention against vandalism: a rough guide on how to use the WP:AIV page.
 * WP:TWINKLE a script that automates many activities: such as warning messages, reporting vandals, tagging pages for deletion, and more. You don't need to be an admin to use this.
 * Thank you! 18:35, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Admin?
Why do you not want to be an admin? You have possibilities. Bearian (talk) 20:50, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I can't imagine why anybody would want to be an admin although I'm very grateful to all the people who do it. The only power I would like to have would be to block anon vandals.  But there's so much other crap associated with the job.  I do this for fun.  If I had to formal responsibilities forcing me to edit because I "had to", I would probably quickly burn out.  Thanks for asking though. Americasroof (talk) 07:19, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

CC Share-Alike 2.5 image usage
Sorry, I sent you an email first. Apologies, I should have used the talk page instead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Pollock31.jpg

I'm a bit new to citing under Creative Commons and would like to use the image in the above link in a presentation I'm giving on software development. It is not for pay, and falls under the CC Share-Alike 2.5 license which is listed for the picture. But I don't see any attribution requirements for its use. Can you advise?

Thanks Mcnattyp (talk) 23:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for asking. Most of my photos are posted with the attribution requirement.  Somehow I posted that one without the requirement.  If you want you could attribute it to "Americasroof on Wikipedia."  Thanks again for asking. Americasroof (talk) 07:22, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Long Island
Hi. I noticed your userbox says you hail from long island so id figure youd be good with WikiProject Long Island.  Not hing 4 44  20:42, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I probably do that.  I'm never quite sure what joining a project means and that's the reason I've never done it! Americasroof (talk) 03:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Big Apple photo
That's a very nice photo you added to the Big Apple article. It really jazzes the article up. John M Baker (talk) 22:22, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * THANK YOU for writing the article! My spring project is to do comprehensive articles on all the Midtown streets.  It was a delight to see your article about something I didn't know about until I was working on 54th Street.  Thanks again! Americasroof (talk) 03:19, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Drew Struzan and The Mist
Hey, Americasroof. Hi, I'm the guy who posted the stuff about Drew Struzan being reffrenced in Frank Darabont's adaptation of The Mist. It seems you removed my informal addition to the film's Wiki page, now if you rented the DVD and watched the "Drew Struzan: An Appreciation of an Artist" featurette included on the DVD, you would understand what I had written. Thanks for your time! 24.81.112.42 talk 18:, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I added two sentences on the location shooting and did not delete any material. I see various references to Drew Stuzan in the article.  When I look at the change logs your edits have not been altered. Americasroof (talk) 02:15, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Your edit on Ira Rennert
Hi, I noticed you edited the caption on the image of Ira Rennert's home. You added "Rendering" and i saw in your comments in the edit that you said it looked like a rendering and the caption didn't say it wasn't. Well I took the picture, and I can assure you it is not a rendering, it is an actual photo that I took from an aircraft as I was flying over. I only noticed now because I found an article in business week that had my picture in it, and I started to get very upset that they "stole" my picture. I remembered I had uploaded it to wikipedia and apparently the picture becomes public domain. Regardless, I was not able to 'fix' your edit of my picture's caption, so if you could do so that would be great. Thanks. -cfijames- Cfijames (talk) 15:52, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I made the adjustment. Americasroof (talk) 02:32, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Did You Know?(s)
Hey, Americasroof, I saw that you've had a few Missouri DYK and was wondering if you knew were I could find the exact wording of these, or if you remembered it. I can't seem to find it anywhere and the DKY archive is huge and not searchable. I just created Portal:Missouri and wanted to update the page with em'. Thanks. -Grey Wanderer | Talk 03:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Grey. I put my DYK's on User:Americasroof/DYK (I only have one in Missouri - Bearcat Stadium).  You're doing a great job cataloging and updating and consolidating Missouri entries.  I really should join the projects as I would like to upgrade some of the articles to good article or feature article status.  However real life is putting a big time dent on my article creation process right now.  I don't know how long that will last. Americasroof (talk) 13:33, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Montauk Point Light
See this discussion and this one for the consensus. It was dealt with a while back. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 18:41, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your quick reply. I strongly disagree with this naming practice and explained my reasoning on this one.  The major discussion is that the name should be the official name as recognized by the USGS and in the case of Montauk, it is lighthouse. Americasroof (talk) 18:55, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth (and I can't present it in evidence because I don't have access to a flatbed scanner), even the USCG Light List refers to the structures as "Light" and not "Lighthouse". So the Coast Guard is inconsistent, too.  Just like everyone else - coming to some sort of consensus on this was a bear. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 18:59, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

being pointy vs. having a point
I think you do have a valid point or two, about the lighthouse naming, but it is not okay to be wp:POINTY. And your being that way makes it harder to support you in areas where i do agree with you. I am referring to your having moved "Lighthouses in the United States" to "Lights in the United States" with edit title: "(Moving Lighthouse to Light per talk page (even if I disagree))", which clearly fits the definition of POINTY. Sincerely, doncram (talk) 17:59, 10 June 2008 (UTC)