User talk:Amerique/Archive 2

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Hi, I'd like you to be my advocate. Here is an overview of the dispute

1) The section was created with the message that the Al-Aqsa Mosque is not a holy site in Islam, but was considered a 3rd holy site only to aid the political intentions of the muslim world, and it was only called the 3rd holiest site after 1930.

2) The editor(s) claim that this is a 'very highly disputed issue' for muslims (which it is not), and after I told him about the mentioning of the mosque in the Quran (1400 year old document), I had posted the english translation of the name of the mosque "The Farthest Mosque", and he replied saying the "The Farthest Mosque" (Direct translation of the arabic phrase Masjid Al-Aqsa into english, where masjid means mosque is disputed and it could be the mosque in Madina, not the Al-Aqsa Mosque. This clearly shows that the editor(s) has no detailed information on the subject, and is acting on a false article which he came across on some website (First it was a blog, then it was some israeli website). Here are his actual words :

"if you're saying it's mentioned in the quran then you must have a different version"

"Where does it mention it ? Your quote doesn't mention any of the sort. The question of the farthest quote location is highly disputed and many see that actually as Medina"

3) The editor(s) then go on with a pointless addition of "Alternative third holiest sites", The structures mentioned (with exception of the Imam Ali mosque, but the imam ali mosque is considered holy by the Shia sect of Muslims, and the Shias themselves consider it to the be the fourth holiest site), were constructed 1000 years after the advent of Islam, and therefore have no religious significance comparable to the Al-Aqsa Mosque.

There are many more problems to list, but I think this will do for now. Someone posted more of an opinion, and it can be proved to be completely false, so if thats the case, I don't think it should be there in an encyclopedia. Thestick 16:44, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Case Assignment by AMA Deputy CoOrdinator.
Hello Amerique, If you can go to the WP:AMARQ page and take a look at this case,  mahawiki  (talk) on  belgaum belgaum_district. If you can't take it just post below where it now says pending. Æon Insanity Now! EA!  18:57, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Belgaum dispute
Thanks for responding my request.I dont seem to have any 'personal' problems with the editors with whom I have differences about Belgaum and Belgaum_district articles.Fortuntely Indian user Aksi_Great and sunder have intervened and solved the problem in a considerable way.We seem to have cooled off but I shall still request u to keep a look on these article as I am extremely concerned about POV of Border dispute sub-sectiom.Since u have no information about it,u r most likely to be neutral and 'understand' where POV is being disrupted.The other users contesting for these article are expert in wiki's policies and they take me to a ride by wisely framing lingo in their favor(using citations which are from their state's media) and throwing some warnings every now and then.I shall also like to confess that I have been uncivil few times and due to my poor English and my ignorance towards wiki's procedures,i perhaps I broke few rules.But now I have fully understood the citation language which those understand. I urge u to watch those topics for NPOV in Border dispute section.

About dispute-Indian states of Maharashtra and Karnataka have been fighting for Belgaum and adjoining areas which are currently with Karnataka,but its(Belgaum's) majority of people are Maharashtrians.(which is not agreed by K'taka).Maharashtra state is formed for the Marathi language speakers and hence Belgaum-residents want to join Maharashtra.but K'taka was awarded those regions by an commission during late 50's on the grounds of administrative ease befor the creation of Maharashtra state. The case has been transferred to Supreme court after decades of struggle.I am from Maharashtra and want Karnataka wikipedians to keep NPOV intact.

Thanks, mahawiki 04:49, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the help.It is great relief to see when a neutral party is watching that topic. mahawiki 13:55, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Marigold Linton
Dear Amerique: With your interest in Native American affairs and in UCR, you might enjoy pitching in to beef up the Marigold Linton stub that I have recently added. She is a UCR graduate. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis 03:42, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

--- I'm not sure where I got the following, but it is her curriculum vitae: Also she wrote some good stuff at http://www.sacnas.org/biography/Biography.asp?mem=57&type=2

Marigold Linton, Ph.D. University of Kansas

Title:	Director, American Indian Outreach Address:	Provost Office, University of Kansas 1450 Jayhawk Blvd., Room 250 Lawrence KS 66045-7535 Telephone:	(785) 864-4904 Email: 	mlinton@ku.edu

Tribal membership (enrolled): Cahuilla-Cupeno, Morongo Band of Mission Indians Born and raised on the Morongo Reservation in Southern California

A. Activities Relevant to SACNAS Agenda 1.	University of Kansas, Director, American Indian Outreach, 1998 – present Haskell Indian Nations Univ., Adjunct Biomedical Research Liaison, 2001 - present Developed consortium with Haskell Indian Nations University to support biomedical research opportunities for American Indian students and faculty. Supported by $11.5 million in training grants. NIH: Bridges to the Future Grant, 1999-2006 ($1,200,000). Bridges students from Haskell Indian Nations University to KU in sciences. More than 40 mentors in the sciences across all biomedically relevant disciplines (more than 20 departments ranging from speech and hearing, psychology through physics and mathematics). Approximately 10 American Indians each semester participate in the program. Role: Co-Investigator and evaluation coordinator. NIH: Initiative for Minority Student Development, 2001-2005 ($2.5 m). Supports American Indian students in biomedically relevant sciences by reducing barriers in “gatekeeper” science classes, creating cutting edge classes for students and providing numerous opportunities for research experiences: Approximately 15 minority students participate each year. Role: Co-Investigator and evaluation coordinator. NIH: Research Initiative for Scientific Enhancement, 2001-2006 ($4 m), a Haskell grant. Provides support for office of sponsored projects/research and planning, provides a well-staffed highly successful computer learning lab, provides support for two Haskell faculty members to obtain their Ph.D.s at KU and provides research experiences at a number of locations for students in the sciences. Role: Co-Investigator, evaluation coordinator and liaison between Haskell and relevant supporting departments at KU. NIH: Institutional Research and Academic Career Development Award, 2002-2007 ($2.3 m). Supports nine postdoctoral fellows who spend three years in research laboratories at KU while teaching a class at Haskell Indian Nations University. Role: Co-Investigator and liaison between Haskell and KU.

2.	Arizona State University, Director, Educational Services, College of Education, 1986-1994 Responsibilities: 1) scholarship awards/development; 2) basic skills development; 3) on-site teacher education program for 55 White Mountain Apache offered at tribe’s request. Director, American Indian Programs for SUMMS Institute, 1994-1996 Responsibilities: Development of mathematics and science opportunities for American Indian students supported in part by NASA and NSF grants. NASA: American Indian Science and Technology Education Consortium (AISTEC).  Consortium of four tribal colleges and four universities: visited each of the tribal colleges and worked to improve infrastructure and relationships between the two- and four-year institutions.  Provided summer bridge programs to reservation students and after school mathematics tutoring to middle school reservation children.  Role: Co-Investigator, subcontract from New Mexico Highlands University, 1994-1998. National Science Foundation: Utah-Colorado-Arizona-New Mexico Rural Systemic Initiative (UCAN-RSI). NSF’s Rural Systemic Initiative provides support to reservation schools – in particular, teacher development, conferences, etc. As coalition leader of the Arizona Tribal Coalition I had responsibility for services to 19 tribes. We provided services to 20 schools (BIA, contract, local, parochial). Principal investigator of ASU subcontract: lead institution, New Mexico Highlands University, 1994-1998. Director, American Indian Programs, ASU East, 1996-1998 Responsibilities: Outreach to Arizona tribes (supported in part by continuing NASA and NSF grants as described above). Worked closely with Gila River tribe that had educational and other rights at the ASU East Campus. Periodically attended meetings of Tribal Education Boards. I worked to develop a collaboration between ASU and the Indian Health Service, Phoenix Area Office. My grants from NASA and NSF with slightly modified activities continued during my tenure at ASU East.

B.	Education Institution	Degree	Year	Major University of California, Riverside	BA	1958	Experimental Psychology University of Iowa	Grad Work	1958-60	Experimental Psychology University of California, Los Angeles	Ph.D.	1964	Experimental Psychology

C. Faculty and Sabbatical Leave Positions: •	Trained as an experimental psychologist and moving over time to become an experimental cognitive psychologist, I taught in the psychology departments at SDSU and U Utah in cognition and research and quantitative methods for social scientists (note book below).

Institution					   Date		Titles (Ranks) San Diego State University, Department of Psychology	1964-1974	Instructor to Professor University California, San Diego, Center for Human Information Processing	1972-1973	Visiting Scholar Minneapolis Public Schools Indian Education Section	1980-1981	Visiting Scholar (3 mo.) University of Pittsburgh, Learning Research and Development Center	1980-1981	Visiting Scholar (12 m.) University of Utah, Department of Psychology	1974-1986	Professor

Awards/Honors: National Indian Education Association – Service Award 1993		SACNAS- Founders Medal U California, Riverside 40th Anniversary: “One of 40 Alumni Who Make a Difference” SACNAS- Service Award The Pride of American Indians- one of 100 contemporary and historic Indians recognized 1998		Phoenix Area Indian Health Service—Service Award 1998		UCAN RSI and the Arizona Tribal Coalition—Leadership in Systemic Reform Award 1998		Arizona State University East —Leader and Mentor Award

Other Notable American Indian Activities: External Evaluator for Department of Commerce grant to Pima Community College, University of Arizona and the Pascua Yaqui Tribe: 2000-2003. White Mountain Apache Project, Teacher Preparation Program 1988-1992: At the request of the White Mountain Apache Tribe provided on the reservation training to a cohort of 50+ teacher aides who wished to become teachers. Minneapolis Public Schools, Indian Education Division, Consultant 1975-1980: Provided evaluation and other services to Indian Education division. US Office of Education, Office of Indian Education, Evaluation Consultant (2 years): Provided evaluation and education training in American Indian communities across the country. American Indian Education Association, Member Founding Board of Directors, 1970: The Association now has more than 10,000 members. Malki Museum (Morongo Reservation): Board of Directors (8 years). The on-reservation museum conserved materials and published books, journals and pamphlets on Southern California American Indian culture.

Selected National Advisory Positions: •	Board of Directors and Council 1977-1985	Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching, Board of Directors While I was on the board we developed the Carnegie High School study. Shortly after I left the board it completed the seminal study on the Tribal Colleges. 1982-1986	National Institutes of General Medical Science, National Advisory Research Resources Council At the time this Council was responsible for reviewing all NIH’s minority training grants. •	National Research Council appointments 1975-1979	National Research Council, Committee on Education & Employment of Minority Group Members in Science 2001-2004	National Research Council, Committee on Assessment for NIH Minority Research/Training Programs •	Appointments to Initial Review Groups I currently review regularly for NIH NIGMS Bridges to the Future, IMSD, RISE and occasionally for other special reviews. The following represent formal appointments to Initial Review Groups. 1976-1979	National Institutes of General Medical Sciences, Minority Access to Research Careers (MARC), Initial Review Group 1980-1981 	National Institutes of Mental Health, Minority Mental Health Review Committee 1980-1982 	Educational Testing Service, Graduate Records Examination: Minority Research Committee 1986-1988	National Institutes of General Medical Sciences, Minority Access to Research Careers (MARC), Initial Review Group 1993-1996	National Institutes of General Medical Science, Minority Biomedical Research Support (MBRS), Initial Review Group

D.	Selected publications (in reverse chronological order). My research involves very long term memory. My research area for the last 25 years has focused on autobiographical memory and “maintenance of knowledge” how long we remember “what we know.” I have also written on research collaborations. These papers are written with my husband, R. E. Barnhill, an expert in the area. The 1975 Practical Statistician was written to serve students and sold 75,000 during the 20 years it was in print. Barnhill, R. E. & Linton, M. (2002). Big Teams, Big Schemes: Everyone Grows. Hall Center Talk, University of Kansas. (In press). Linton, M. (1999). Telemedicine holds promise for native communities. SACNAS News, Fall 1999, p. 29-30. Linton, M. (1996). The maintenance of a complex knowledge base after seventeen years. In D. Medin (ed.) The Psychology of Learning and Motivation, Vol. 33, 127-163. Linton, M. (1994). Memory as chimera: The changing face of memory. Memory and History Symposium, Baylor University Press. Linton, M. (1993). Recruitment and retention in a teacher education program: A Southwest Perspective. In CEDR at Phi Delta Kappa, Hot Topics: Minority Recruitment and Retention in Teacher Education. Barnhill, R. E., & Linton, M. (1992). Promoting research in science and engineering departments. In C. R. Haden & J. R. Brinks, Innovative Models for University Research, Elsevier. Linton, M. (1988). The maintenance of knowledge: Some long-term specific and generic changes. In Gruneberg, M. M., Morris, P.E., & Sykes, R.N. (Eds.) Practical Aspects of Memory: Current research and Issues, Vol. 1, Memory in Everyday Life, (pp. 378-384), John Wiley. Linton, M. (1986). Ways of searching and the contents of memory. In D. Rubin (Ed.) Autobiographical Memory. New York: Cambridge University Press. Linton, M. (1982). Transformations of memory in everyday life. In U. Neisser Memory Observed: Remembering in Natural Contexts. W.H. Freeman (pp. 77-91) Linton, M. (1979). Real-world memory after six years: An in-vivo study of very long-term memory. In Gruneberg, M.M., Morris, P.E., & Sykes, R.N. (Eds.) Practical Aspects of Memory: Current research and Issues, Vol. 1, Memory in Everyday Life, (pp. 69-76), Academic Press. Linton, M. (1975). Memory for real-world events. In D.A. Norman & D.E. Rumelhart, Explorations in Cognition, p. 376-404, W.H. Freeman. Linton, M. & Gallo, P. (1975). The Practical Statistician, Brooks/Cole Publishing, Monterey, CA.

E.	Scientific and Professional Organizations: Society for the Advancement of Chicanos and Native Americans in Science Founding member, Life member, Friend of the Society Elected Board of Directors, 1989, reelected 1992; reelected 2001. Program Committee 2000-2003 Geological Sciences Committee 2002-2003 Evaluation Committee (Chair) 2001-2003 American Psychological Association: Elected Fellow of Division 1, 1984; Elected to the Board for Advancement of Psychology in the Public Interest (BAPPI), 1992 Subcommittee: Disabilities National Indian Education Association Founding member; founding Board of Directors, incorporated August 1970

Personal information: I am married and have two wonderful stepchildren – both in scientific disciplines. Raised eating in the old Indian way, I have tried to maintain those healthy habits. My husband and I try to walk at least 25 miles a week. I collect Indian art and particularly love Indian (especially Cahuilla) baskets. Photography and racquet sports are old passions that now get put off “until I have a little more time.”

GeorgeLouis 18:26, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Roger that!
Roger that! Excelent Æon  Insanity Now! EA!  03:45, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Request for help with user-user dispute.
A user, Ryulong, is insisting on reverting my edits, even on the Hawaiian language page where I am serving as Wikipedia's expert on the subject, and I am the major contributor. I made contributions to the WikiProject Hawaii Manual of Style, but Ryulong again reverted my contributions, falsely calling my contributions "vandalism". I believe that Ryulong should be blocked, and prevented from editing the Hawaii-related articles to which I contribute.

I have near-native fluency in Hawaiian language, and a PhD in Linguistics. I've lived in Hawaii for about 50 years. This guy Ryulong does not know diddly squat about Hawaiian language. And he blatantly lies about things relating to editing on Wikipedia. I'm willing to go through whatever process is necessary in order for Wikipedia to stop this Ryulong from making trouble.

Please don't agree to help me with this, unless you can effectively deal with the uncooperative user who lies about me and lies about Wikipedia. But if you really can help, then please do. Thanks. Agent X 03:15, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Right or wrong, this is a personal attack. I asked you to stop this before Agent X. Now you are blocked for 24 hours. Instead of accusing people of lying, go work on something else constructive. pschemp | talk 03:54, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I think I need ur support.On the Belgaum article,it is almost proved that Belgaon Municipal corporation uses Marathi as an official language too.I have gave enough citations/sources to prove that.(see Belgaum:Talk )This has agreed by our unofficial mediator(aksi_great) and perhaps a admin(nichalp) too. But a user is deliberately editing out the Marathi name on that article without any citations,instead swearing at me and at my state. I request ur help. mahawiki 11:32, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Neither has mahawiki provided the necessary citations, nor have aksi and nichalp pronounced their decisions. Infact both are categorical in stating that they arent yet convinced either with his citations nor with even the need to have the Marathi transliteration there in the first place. Sarvagnya 22:58, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Over and above that, mahawiki's behaviour and language has been provocative and ugly to say the least. His various indiscretions include blanking out official warnings placed on his talk page by other editors, slapping me with sundry and irrelevant warning templates including npa6 and test6!!  He defiantly continues to use derogatory slangs like 'kannadi' to refer to Kannadigas inspite of being requested and warned(officially and unofficially) by other editors to refrain from using that slang.  Sarvagnya 22:58, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * just fyi: Sarvagnya 23:19, 3 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello Sarvagnya,


 * I recognize that there has been no assumption of good faith in this matter, and that personal attacks have been made. That is what is making the content issue difficult to determine. I have advised Mahawiki to discontinue direct contact with you and have encouraged him to consider designing a survey to attempt to locate where community consensus lies with regards to his concerns. I do not support any of the personal attacks that have been made, but I think the content issue can potentially be worked out to the satisfaction of all parties involved. Best, --Amerique 23:31, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for ur concern!I have not understood ur suggestion of survey though.I have proved ample citations to prove my point and basically the other user is freaking out unnecessarily just to provoke me!What exactly should I do by 'phrasing' the survey?

mahawiki 02:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for ur reply.I dont mind any survey but the point to be considered is whether it shall bring out the truth?What if members of a certain community vote in their favour and thus blank out the facts.If these Kannad fanatics are busy 'Kannadising' other articles including 'Belgaum' and even Tamil_language,Marathi_language,Kaveri dispute,Rajkumar etc.. i dont think they are capable of any good faith.Survey would be a good idea if only NEUTRAL and RESPONSIBLE(not the general users) are allowed to vote.

In fact if I have given enough citations to prove my point,why shall one ask for other's opinion.Not that I am against it,but if u see Belgaum talk page,I have been citing enough sources continuously but a particular user is only avoiding them and bragging.What I want is watch of NEUTRAL and RESPONSIBLE(perhaps admins) on that article which is prone to vandalism.mahawiki 05:14, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I hope it shall work and not disrupt my cause(which I have proved but that user is purposely avoiding it)!mahawiki 05:44, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Why should there be a Marathi transliteration on Belgaum page
Dear Amerique, These guys are taking u for a ride by discussing the issues which are not related to what the controversy is.Belgaum city,unlike Solapur,uses Marathi and Kannada (BOTH languages) as official.Plz see the following link to read complete summary of evidences I provided. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Nichalp#Please_do_something_about_Belgaum_article

The board itself http://www.pudhari.com/Static/Features/Belgaon_border_issue/f_belgaon154.htm and the link http://in.news.yahoo.com/051126/48/618nr.html is enough to prove it.Belgaon had Marathi majority in past and is has it still.mahajan commission which was biased against Maharashtra and Kerala state,gave illogical reasons like (administrative ease) for transfer of Belgaum to K'taka.The user contesting that the language board is not Marathi should prove that its in Hindi too.It is significant that a main board outside Belgaon municipal corporation displays Marathi transliteration.Its the enough reason to prove that Marathi is an official language.

I do confess the reverts at Solapur page which was long before I got to know about Wiki's policies.But I still dont understand why is need of 'Kannadisation' of that article when Solapur has miniscule Kannada ppl. mahawiki 03:54, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Dont compare Belgaum with other American counterparts.In India,factors like religion,caste,language (we have atleast 22 national languages) are far more important than in US.What I want to tell u is,I have cited a pic which shows Belgaon corporation uses Marathi and also a link which confirms it (see above post).This is ample proof that civic body uses Marathi as an official language.Nicalp,Aksi_great has confirmed that the language on the board is Marathi.This user sarvagnya is confusing u and others by changing the focus after he has failed to prove that the language on the board is not Marathi.mahawiki 05:18, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Will we ever reach a Consensus?
Dear Amerique,

While you and other editors are working towards reaching a consensus in the Belgaum article, it is imperative that all the editors co-operate and discuss about the current issue only. As you have been repeatedly requesting the editors, assuming good faith among other editors is one of the most important parameters of reaching consensus. But, inspite of your efforts, please see this edit. If the discussion in talk page goes like this, will we ever reach a consensus? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ABelgaum&diff=73880967&oldid=73880795

Continuing being part of a healthy discussion becomes extremely difficult when someone makes seriously offensive statements against a community, people, and state. I request your attention in this matter. Thank you for your help! - KNM Talk - Contribs 05:39, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I have added another survey
KNM is just busy saving his face.Note that these ppl are conviniently ignoring the citationa and facts which I have established long back.Anyways coming to the point,I have added a survey to get consensus if the script displayed on that board is Marathi or Hindi.I think we should let all know about it.How do I do that?Respondents should be having knowledge of Hindi. mahawiki 16:02, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Sarvagnya is not only having unnecessary debate over Marathi transliteration,but he also wants Bangla,Sanskrit or/and Hindi transliteration removed from Jana_Gana_Mana, Vande_mataram and note his vandalism at Hindi page, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hindi&diff=73968761&oldid=73662164 This shows his disrespect for other languages and tendency of pushing his Kannadi POV everywhere.

Pl. see the opinions of Hindi speakers about 'ळ' in Hindi on Hindi talk page.I think this shall end any confusions u might have if that board is in Marathi.mahawiki 05:13, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Dear Amerique, Its very unfortunate that u r backing off from the article.U are an non-indian and still u understood that the script is indeed in Marathi,but see the other user who i think very well knows it,but is just debating for the sake of it.To be very frank,those guys have crossed every limit and whats more they are deliberately ignoring my citations. I would prefer that article is locked.I request u to keep watching this article.Important is that the truth should be out.Plz advice me about what furthur steps 'I' should take after all this. Believe me,its frustrating when u produce so many citations and still few arrogants keep on having petty fights! mahawiki 04:16, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I've also got an email from Keepthefactsinwikiplease requesting AMA advice, I'm also slightly confused what precipitated the permanent block and description of a 'troll', however I don't have anything to add beyond your note to Nlu. If you require assistance with this case, don't hesitate to ask. Addhoc 23:49, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Following Nlu's reply, I have given a few comments. Hope this is ok. Addhoc 12:18, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for the email, I am not sure how to respond to Nlu's latest comments. Addhoc 16:36, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I've asked David.Mestel for a second (or maybe third) opinion. Addhoc 17:04, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi, Keepthefactsinwikiplease's page has been unprotected. Addhoc 17:37, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Success?!? Addhoc 13:43, 12 September 2006 (UTC)