User talk:AmethystTygerMoon

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I ask for your pardon- in my e-mail to you today, I wrote that you had no WP account, but now I see you do have one. It is a pleasure to be the first to welcome you here, Amethyst TygerMoon.

User:AdelaMae/Neopagantasks seems to have caught your eye. This is good, as neopagans comprise a sizable portion of WP editors, but we have not been organised in this manner, and we have Adela Mae to thank for that 'push' to do so. :) I will be glad to work with you in that project. Be sure to sign up at User:AdelaMae/Neopagantasks so that Adela Mae and everyone else knows you are working with the Project.

→ ''' P. Mac Uidhir''' (t)  (c)  17:59, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Moon River Wicca and the main Wicca article
Since you have an account here, I will copy/paste my response here for you.

One last thing- it is generally a bad idea to leave one's e-mail address in public webpages like those found at Wikipedia, as spam address harvesters can then easily find your address in order to send you all sorts of nasty things. :) You might want to consider removing it. I will go ahead and do so on my own and PuckSmith's talk pages for you.

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Moon River Wicca
Hi, My name is Amethyst TygerMoon and I am the co-founder of Moon River Wicca, I have messaged Puk with some more information about us, so please do speak with Puk and with myself before making a desision about our page. I hope that you will give us a chance to proove ourselves valuable additions to wikipedia.

AmethystTygerMoon 09:54, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Amethyst TygerMoon info (at) moonriverwicca (dot) co (dot) uk


 * Bandia dhuit, Amethyst TygerMoon. It is a pleasure to meet you, and especially so since your group was recently being discussed at the Wicca article.


 * The reasons why I recommended the removal of Moon River Wicca from the list of traditions provided at the Wicca article are a result of guidelines for Wikipedia editing which are pertinent to judging its place there. Specifically, the guidelines of Citing sources and Verifiability are relevant regarding Moon River Wicca.


 * To save you the trouble of reading those pages, I can summarise the problem here. Moon River Wicca may have plans to publish literature and expand soon, but at the present time the group is almost completely unknown outside of a very small area and only a few people. Therefore, in the context of Wikipedia, we have to consider the group to not be notable in the sense that, say, Gardnerian Wicca, Raymond Buckland, or neopaganism are notable as subjects of articles. The Gardnerians have a world-wide body of members. Ray Buckland is very well-known to most western neopagans, and is an author of books outside of Wicca as well, so he has a broad base of people who are aware of him, and is, as a result, notable. Naturally, neopaganism as a term describing a group of religions is quite commonly known.


 * All three examples are also able to be detailed in their respective articles at Wikipedia with accompanying citations from published works and other verifiable sources. Moon River Wicca, as far as I know, is not verifiable outside of its small sphere of influence, and I cannot find a single publication outside of Wicca-specific websites that even mentions the tradition, which is why I have written on the matter at the 'Talk' page for the Wicca article here, and almost certainly why Puck agreed with me (though I cannot speak for him or his reasons).


 * In sum, once your group publishes the books you mentioned to Puck Smith which will detail the teachings of your tradition, then we would be able to reconsider inclusion of Moon River Wicca, but for now, and again based on my understanding of your group, it does not have verifiability or is able to be adequately cited as a generally popular and well-known tradition.


 * Once your group has published those texts, please feel free to mention it to us at the Talk:Wicca page, and I am quite certain that we can then consider Moon River Wicca for inclusion at that article, and in developing an article for the tradition in its own right.


 * Slainté,
 * →  P . Mac Uidhir (t)  (c)  16:43, 28 January 2006 (UTC)