User talk:Amir85/Archive2

Pashtun
-I'm more a Pathan really. Pathan is the south Asian term for a Pashtun, though it mostly applies to South Asians with Paternal Pashtun descent. I'm a basic mix of Pashtun and Punjabi. A genuine Pakistani of sorts. My mother tongue is Urdu, but my family and ancestors also have spoken Pashto, Punjabi, Hindi and, for a time, even Farsi/Persian. I can barely speak Urdu though, as I have forgotten most of it and can say a few phrases and do some basic conversation. I generally speak English and a considerable amount of French, from French class, both High school and AP (AP is a program in American schools where one can take a college equivalent of a class for so many hours of college credit, if one does well on the exam provided during the spring). -User: Afghan Historian

-Well, because part of my ancestry is Pashtun, I thought it would be a cool name to apply to my person. And I also am a history buff. The name kind of described me. An amateur historian with partial Afghan descent. User: Afghan Historian

Request for Mediation - Persians
Please voice your opinions and present facts and sources in the comment section here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2006-03-02_Persian_people

--ManiF 22:24, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Priority


should be the priority, please check this and comment.. if we can't even use the word Aryan on Iranian articles, and we cant have Persian people and Iranian people articles justified, then it gets a little pointless for me, do you have msn? --Kash 12:54, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Sassanid Empire
I ended up writing a lot about this, so I'm going to paste it in over on the article's talk page instead of cluttering up your page. There's work still to do, but I think the article does have FA potential. RobthTalk 21:26, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Salam
Chetory pesar? to asemon donbalet boodim ti wiki peidat kardim ;-) mibinam ke kheili ham active hasty. vali axato nashnakhtam!!!!

email va messenger e man hast mahanchian@yahoo.com

keep in touch. Mahanchian 21:46, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

No one's watching the Aryans page!!
We have all been spending all of our time on the Persian people page that No one's watching the Aryans page!! On the Persian people page everyone has been trying to stop User:Heja_helweda and User:Aucaman saying it is racist to use the term "Aryan" on the page that everyone forgot about the Aryans page. I was looking at the history of that page and I saw that User:Heja_helweda has made some changes. If you have some time please check out what has changed and try to fix any bad mistakes similar to the Persian Peoples page that they might have made. Thanks --( Aytakin ) | Talk 02:20, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

User Aucaman
Please go to the following page and help me combat anti-Iranianism made by one particular user who is doing sneaky vandalism on most Persian related articles due to political and Zionist reasons, which have no place in an encyclopedia. The link that suports banning this user is, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Aucaman, and also Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-03-02 Persian people. This would be appreciated. Zmmz 07:19, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Genetics Test
Go here,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Genetic_origins_of_the_Kurds, and vote `strong delete` please, so a certain user would no longer be able to use some psuedoscience genetic test about `Kurds`, and constantly insert in the Iranian people article. Zmmz 07:19, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Possible Alternative
Hi, if you haven`t done so already, then go to the following links and quickly vote either ``Strongly delete``, go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion#.7B.7BKurdistan-stub.7D.7D_.2F_Cat:Kurdistan_stubs, and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Kurdistan. Also, please go to, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Aucaman_and_User:Heja_helweda_and_User:Diyako. ``I support`` the blocking of user Aucauman, Diyako, and Heja Helwelda. This is [so] tiresome. Thanks Zmmz 01:43, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Please go to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&action=edit&section=3 today, and voice your support. ThanksZmmz 17:40, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Sassanid Empire
Great job. I think it is ready for nomination. Of course, there will be minor issues, but those can be handled during the nomination process. To answer your previous question, I am studying at Penn State University right now, doing engineering like you. deeptrivia (talk) 04:14, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Aucaman
I'd appreciate it if you could sign this, if you agree: Requests for comment/Aucaman, Ba sepaas --Kash 23:37, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Please go hereand sign under the users who tried to solve the dispute and failed, since yourname was mentioned. ThanksZmmz 07:22, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi. You went to the correct page, but you signed under the wrong section, please go sign your name under the section, `Users certifying the basis for this dispute`. ThanksZmmz 17:09, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Zoroastrianism
Created an Open Tasks template for the Zoroastrianism WikiProject. Please make use of it. SouthernComfort 13:02, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Cambridge History
Unfortunately I don't know, and I searched Questia and I don't think they have it - but they do not have a lot of material about Iran and Persian history. But it's not free. Also see List_of_digital_library_projects. Hope that helps. SouthernComfort 14:43, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Not that I know of.--Zereshk 01:23, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Eragh is waiting for you
hello my dear friend ... here's a project which can help Iran's grace in this bad world for Iranians ... be in contact with me

Iranian Wikipedians' Notice Board (WatchDog)
Please bookmark this page, for daily updates on the status of the Iran-related articles. Read notices posted by others or add your own notice by updating "Urgent view". --ManiF 15:58, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Sassanid Empire
None of the images are violating Fair use, my comment was mainly concerning the number being displayed within the article: usually an article (even a lengthy article) has between two–ten images, but this one exceeds the limit. You should remove the ones you find most irrelevant. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 21:11, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I am not sure what can I clarify: which (plz quote) part of my comment is problematic?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 18:10, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
 * My favourite example of how this should be done is the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 19:17, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Salam Amir Jan
Hello dear Amir. You have left me a message concerning the images I have. Yes, I do have a number of Iran related photos. But i didn't understand well. What should I send you? A list of the names of images? I'll be happy to help you in anyway and I will be glad if you can explain me more. And thank you for the great articles you make. (The One We Call God 23:36, 16 March 2006 (UTC))

User:Diyako is trying to make an alternative ficticious definition of Newroz
User:Diyako has created an article on a Turkic-Nowruz without mention of its Iranian history and roots. Soon we will here Nowruz has nothing to do with Iran too. His article is Nevruz. This should be merged or edited properly. He has gone on the Turkish discussions to promote it.

Here is what user:Diyako has written;

Nevruz is the spring festival among Turkic-speaking nations, from Turkey to Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan etc. It is very similar to the Iranian festival of Norouz.

According to Turkish legends Nevruz dates back to era of Gökturks.

Th user Diyako is definnityl anti-Iranian and has an anti-Iranian agenda.

Nevruz is not very similar to the Irnian festival of Norouz it is Norouz!

He has claimed the Kurdish flag has nothing to do with Iran and is a crime to fly in Iran. The Kurdish flag is based on the Iranian flag it is even in the memories of the founders of the Mehbad Republic who wanted to showcase their Aryan and Mede heritage. Back then Kurds only had a oral history about their only know ancestors the Mede and Mede heritage, before other ancestors were accepted. The Sun is also very significant element of ancient Iranian and Zorasatrianism. Diyako is misleading everyone. Go to Kurdistan 20 years ago let alone 50 they will say we are Aryans and our own blood relatives are the Persians. The Kurdish flag is not banned in Iran and is based on Iranian colours. This user also claims the Iranians are only a lingustic group after he saw that the tide was against him that Kurds are in definition an Iranian people so he worked to undermine the definition of Iranian people and even Persians with user:Acuman.

69.196.139.250 21:28, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Happy New Year!
Har Roozetan Norouz, Norouzetan Pirooz! Eidetan mobarak!  D iyako Talk + 13:04, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Happy New Year
No hard feelings. Saale no mobarak :) AucamanTalk 13:25, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Ayd-e Norouz Mubarak
Thank you for the nice message. Motashakkeram. Hope you will have a great new year! Bertilvidet 13:29, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Nouruz mubarak
Thanks for your message Amir. Though I don't know Farsi, I could extrapolate from Hindi that "Har Roozetan Norouz, Norouzetan Pirooz" would mean something like "May every day by New Year, and let New Year be victorious." Is this translation correct? By the way, same to you! deeptrivia (talk) 13:38, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

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Magyar
Hi there, I'm probably going to Hungary (BME) for continuation of my current study, so I'd really appreciate if you could help me out. Be wishes and happy New Year (Norouz). Amir85 07:42, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * How may I be at your assistance? A beautiful mind 16:54, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Happy New Year
Hope its a good one for you. Mahanchian 17:51, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

نوروز ۸۵
شادباش نوروزی و تبریک سال نو! کاوه ۲۹ اسفند ۱۳۸۴ (۲۰-۰۳-۲۰۰۶)

Norooz
Salaam Amir khan, khayli mamnoon. Eid-e shomaham mobarak va Khodakoneh keh saal-e besyari khoobi basheh barat. Piruzi va azadi bar mellat-e Iran. Khoda negahdar, SouthernComfort 03:42, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Happy Norouz to you too!
Amir, it was infinitely gracious of you to give me holiday wishes, in view of the fact that we have butted heads so often. A lovely way to start the new year! May love and kindness attend you all this coming year. Zora 09:24, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Zoroastrianism: good article?
Amir, the tag for Zoroastrianism needs to be reconsidered. The "Holy Book" section isn't factually accurate (see my comment in talk), and there are a number of issues (like the dates of Zoroaster) which are referred to as "contested", and then don't cite sources. -- Fullstop 16:16, 22 March 2006 (UTC)


 * It has been tagged as good article (however it doesn't mean its perfect though). Amir85 18:35, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

happy new year
نوروزتان پيروز

Gol 19:32, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Happy New Year to you too Amir.

btw, if you liked the Cowboy Bebop series, make sure you see the movie too, if you already havent.

But since you're a computer engineering student, I especially recommend you watch the series Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, especially if youre a futurist philosophy-of-technology freak like me. It deals with Artificial intelligence and the internet revolution. Note that the movie Ghost in the Shell is a bit different from the series, even though related. They have different animators, and the story in the movie chronologically comes after the series, even though the series was made after the movie (which appeared in 1996).

The laughing man story in the series had an almost mystical quality to it. Think about it, the laughing man performs miracles by merely hacking into people's brains and changing their perception of reality. That is in fact a re-statement of Bishop Berkeley's idealism. Whoa. Awesome. I mustve watched the last 3 parts of the last DVD 10 times.

See pictures here and on their cool official website.--Zereshk 09:04, 23 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I also thought the Cowboy Bebop movie was titillatingly psychedlic and pleasantly mind bending. Series like these indeed remain tucked away in one's ambient memories for ages. Like Cowboy bebop, Ghost in the Shell has an excellent soundtrack. It is also psychedelic in its structure. I have to hand it to the Japanese: theyre getting better everyday at everything they do. Theyve come a loooong way since the days of Godzilla and Oshin! Oddly, the opening score of the Stand Alone Complex is in Russian. But even that is cool. It grows on you.


 * Now...


 * Firstly, all of the Ghost in the Shell productions (except for the second movie) have been dubbed into English. Whatever you watch, watch those. Do not watch the Japanese audio with English subtitles version, because it will be hard to follow some of their conversations after a while, when the laughing man comes around.


 * I recommend that you first watch the Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, which is what the first season of the series is called, before anything else. I think it is 27 episodes. Do NOT watch any of the movies (Ghost in the Shell (film) and Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence) or the second season series, before seeing the first series. Because then you might not like it.


 * After you watch the first season, then watch the second season. It is called Ghost in the Shell: S.A.C. 2nd GIG. Only 4 or 5 DVDs of this season have been released in the US. So I have only watched the first 10 episodes (up to DVD 4). Frankly, so far, I havent liked it as much as I liked the first season. The second season is more about socio-political themes (refugees, globalization, global wars, etc), as opposed to the first season which was mainly about the human mind and psyche and the consequences of Prosthesis, A.I., the question of what is Personal identity, and merging with the web. But I might be wrong: it might start getting better as the stroy progresses in later episodes.


 * The website I linked you to, refers to both seasons 1 and 2. Make sure you see the mp3 video clips that they have. You will notice that the alot of the animators and crew from the makers of Cowboy Bebop are present here as well. See the mp3 files where it says: Multimedia.


 * Finally, the movies should be watched last, because the main character (Major Kusanagi) physically dies and her spirit merges with the internet at the end of the first movie. The second movie hasnt even been dubbed into English yet. I watched the second movie in Japanese with English subtitles. It was difficult to follow what they were talking about when the movie starts dipping into Kabbalah themes. It's better if you wait for the English Dubbed release for the second movie.


 * A sidenote: in the Stand Alone Complex series, USA has turned into "The American Empire". I thought that was interesting.--Zereshk 10:40, 23 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Sidenote 2: If you leave the page of the http://www.ghostintheshell.tv website on and dont touch it, it will keep playing music from the soundtrack of the first and second season. Some of the songs are in Italian. Made by the Japanese female artist Yoko Kanno (also in Cowboy Bebop).--Zereshk 10:44, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Anime dubbing, good or bad?
Obviously, there are differing viewpoints on this question no doubt. It really boils down to taste.

What I do, is that I listen to the English, but also keep the subtitles on. If they are close enough, and the dubbed English doesnt sound crappy, I go on with it. But sometimes the English version recognizeably sucks balls (as in for example the movie Ichi the Killer). And so I switch to the Japanese.

So I think that this question is therefore case specific, and it depends on what particularly youre watching. Some Japanese to English dubbings basically suck, and youre better off watching the japanese original version. Ive seen many of those. (example: do not watch Gantz in English. The English voice dubbing sucks). However in some cases, the opposite is true, because the Japanese do not translate the subtitles properly. For example, in Rahxephon, I noticed that the English dubbing was actually better than the original voice cast. The Japanese original had some bad lip sinking problems that were quite noticeable for someone like me who has done professional voice dubbing before. And sometimes, the japanese conversations carry proverbs that are only understandable to someone who is Japanese but which also does not convey an important meaning in the storyline (and makes you confused). In that case, if the Dubbing team is really good and have Japanese-American people on their staff, they will translate it properly to convey the proper meaning. Recently, I've seen a lot of superb works dubbed by ADV Films. Not to mention that sometimes, you will notice that for some reason, the dubbed music sound track is actually enhanced in the English version than it is in the original! ADV studios does a lot of sound mixing. For example, you can notice this in Stand Alone Complex. In the last part, when the major jumps off the building (diving into the city), the English version has a music playing the background (which was extracted from the Stand Alone Complex soundtrack album). In the Japanese version, the sound is slightly more dry, muffled, and not as well audible.

So my advice to you is that, in the case of Stand Alone Complex, content-wise, youll find that there is almost no difference between the dubbed and the original. Plus the dubbed version does an excellent work in sound engineering. So it's OK to watch the dubbed, in my opinion.

But as you said, that is not always the case. For me, I can simply recognize which version is better after watching one or two episodes. It really depends on the story and the voice actors. But I also believe that the Japanese original is not always better than the dubbed English. Authenticity does not always mean better. Sometimes, the japanese do a poor work themselves in translating the subtitles (because of lack of proper English). And the japanese usually have severe budget shortages and time constraints to finish a production (to be aired on their TV in time as their contract specifies), while much more money is usually spent on the English dubbings and sound engineering, which enhance the audio quality of the production. And like you, many people here in America are very picky about the translations conveying the exact meaning. So the dubbing teams usually have Japanese people on their staff. Especially the good ones.

But then again, you have to keep an eye and make your own judgements.

Also, Persian literature is good, but we need text instered into the section "Contemporary Persian Literature", and the section "Areas once under Ghaznavid or Mughal rule" needs to be organized.--Zereshk 22:37, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Iran
Regarding your edit here. What does this mean? Which template is for deletion? I couldn't find it in the list. Auca m anTalk 13:31, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

New Year
-Thank you for the Nourouz greeting! I appreciate it a lot! Happy Nourouz to you too! -User: Afghan Historian

Thanks!


Hey Amir, I'd really like thank you for taking the time to vote at my RfA. I withdrew due to certain controversies, but I appreciated your vote and hope to see you here in the future. Thanks again. --Khoikhoi 05:15, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Source
Amir, Kash, SC, ManiF,

I have access to an online e-book library. It has some of the books that are listed as reference on Iranian related pages. If any of you are interested, email me, I'll hook you up with the password and all.--Zereshk 02:25, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Help!
Dear Amir, would you please take a look at section on "contemporary persian literature" in Persian literature. Thanks. --Joe Dynue12:26, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Military history WikiProject Newsletter, Issue I
delivered by Loopy e 04:38, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Persian Literature GA Promotion
Dear Amir85, your recent nomination for Persian Literature to be promoted to good article status has passed, and has been promoted to GA status! It can now be found here, under the appropriate category.

I did make some notes on how to further improve this article:
 * OMG! 54kb XD Can I reccommend some minor summarising, especially if you're eventually going for FA (which I reccommend you do) because they may kill you on it.
 * The introduction could use minor tweaking, but it's still very good
 * Make sure when using possessive language you don't use "we"

A fabulous article, albeit it did take a while to digest :P, and keep going for FA! Highway 16:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Image:The Golden Age of Persia.JPG
Hi, do you think you could add a copyright tag to that image? I mean, unless you think it should be deleted (I don't know). Thanks, – T i f e g o(t)05:18, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Zoroastrians in Iran
Amir khan, when you have time, please help expand the article. Khayli mamnoon. SouthernComfort 08:08, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

History of Yemen - sassanid period
Hey Amir,

Thanks for your input in the history of yemen regarding the sassanid period :-). Jidan 13:05, 7 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Really? And I lived in Iran too for a while and traveld alot in it. And I must say I have never seen such beautiful women as the Iranian women. ;-) Jidan 03:49, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Persian music
No, I don't think its a good idea. See Zora's comment on my talk. I also disagreed with the merging of Persian cuisine and Iranian cuisine (a move which I was unaware of until much later after the fact) for similar reasons. SouthernComfort 04:58, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
Dear Amir

Thanks for your message and welcome. Though it's a bit late, happy nowruz to you too. You know, it was getting a bit disappointing that no one welcomes me to wikipedia ;) I wonder how many edits you have made particularly in the area of Persian history. I would acknowledge your works on behalf of Persian community. --Neshatian 10:16, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Iran Portal
Great job! It looks much better. I basically just got it started with the hopes that someone would come along and improve it - actually, that's what happens with a lot of the Iran-related stubs I've done, especially when they require the quotation of Persian. Speaking of that, what does "khoosh amdeed" mean? I noticed it in Persian characters at the top of the portal. --Jpbrenna 16:17, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Jami et al.
While answering Southern Comfort, I noticed your message there and wanted to welcome any input into the pederasty pages, as long as it is sourced, of course. I myself am working on sourcing the material there more extensively, so in the end I am sure that any disagreement between us will only result in a better article. Haiduc 12:16, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Turanians
Turanians are written in many old books as old Turks or the people that speak old Turkic, so your knowladge about Turanians were Iranic nomads is not healty.. Turan means Tur's land...The land of Noah's little son, father of all Turks... respect--hakozen 09:52, 13 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, Tur is from the name Turaj, a full Persian name. See Dehkhoda.--Zereshk 14:39, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Question
Hi Amir.

Just saw vol 4 of Gig 2. I liked it. Good news there. I love it when the Tachkomas chit chat on philosophical issues. Also note that the Catcher in the Rye, which is the book the Laughing man case keeps getting referred to, is actually real.

Im also looking into Gilgamesh, Lain, and Elfen Lied. None of them of course will measure up to Ghost in the Shell in my opinion though.

btw, do you by any chance have a bigger sister living in Canada? Just wondering.

Keep cool.--Zereshk 14:39, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Battle of Tours
Peace, and the Blessings of God be Upon You, Amir. The article on the Battle of Tours was and is heavily sourced at the bottom on the page. Every effort was made by people - please look at the history - to present all viewpoints, the standard-up-the-20th-century conventional western viewpoint, the Islamic historical viewpoint (most particularly from the Arab Chronicles as they are a far better source than conventional western histories), and the current western view. There were over one hundred discussions citing specific sourcing for the article on the discussion page history. If you have a specific item you wish to challange, please name it, and the exact and precise source will be provided. Every effort was made to present all viewpoints so that no one was offended, and the maximum information provided - as witnessed by the fact is it singled out as a good article. I will be glad to work with you on any reference you need on any fact you feel should be disputed. You cannot write an article and say each reference - such as the relative size of the armies - in the text. That information is the bibliography, since we are not writing a college paper, or a book,(with cited footnotes on each line and page) but an encylopedia article. The discussion page is the appropriate place for raising such issues. Again, if you have a problem with the information, please identify it, and I will be glad to give you the specific source, and work with you on wording. This article is genuinely meant to reflect all viewpoints without POV. I lived in the Middle East and have no bias - I will gladly work with you to provide any source, or on wording, if someone finds something offensive. This article is a source of great pride to a number of people, Muslim, Christian, historians, amauters, who worked hard on it, but we welcome help and input from anyone to improve it. old windy bear 19:39, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Iranian Azerbaijan
Hi there,

I just wanted to let you know that user, khoikhoi (MOD) keeps including the very offensive term, "south azerbaijan" on the Iranian Azerbaijan page. We should not let him post this propoganda and false information. That term has no place in an encycolpedia article. It is not relevent to the content. What a few seperatists call that region should not be shown here. If we dont stop this, people will start including the "a#abian gulf" as an alternate name on the Persian gulf page.

KhodahafesDariush4444 04:21, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Good day Amir
Im interested in learning Persian language, soon i will join a Persian language course, my father can speaks good Persian but i know little, i have Persian channels in my home and i wish i write articles in Persian in future.

Salamz MARVEL

Karnamak
Please provide references/sources for this your addition to Origin of chess: "...One ancient Persian text refers to Shah Ardashir, who ruled from 224–241 CE, as a master of the game...." This statement seems to be dubious due to common believe that chess was not invented before 6th century. Andreas Kaufmann 16:55, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Doroud
I will gladly help doing that. As you suggested i will start with looking at what you have done for sassanid article. Ba sepaas. --Darkred 07:02, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Military history WikiProject Newsletter - Issue II
The April 2006 issue of the project newsletter is now out. You may read this issue or change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you by following the link. Thanks. Kirill Lok s h in 18:26, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Iranian people
Hi, please take a look at this page, there is a voting going on to include azeris and other iranian turkic peopl as iranian people in the list, which for one support. Ba sepaas. --Darkred 01:41, 1 May 2006 (UTC)