User talk:Amkgp/Archive 19

DYK nomination of Streetcars in Santa Barbara
Hello! Your submission of Streetcars in Santa Barbara at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 16:12, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

New Page Patrol December Newsletter
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It has been a productive year for New Page Patrol as we've roughly cut the size of the New Page Patrol queue in half this year. We have been fortunate to have a lot of great work done by who was the reviewer of the most pages and redirects this past year. Thanks and credit go to and  who join Rosguill in repeating in the top 10 from last year. Thanks to, , and who all got the NPR permission this year and joined the top 10. Also new to the top ten is DannyS712 bot III, programmed by which has helped to dramatically reduce the number of redirects that have needed human patrolling by patrolling certain types of redirects (e.g. for differences in accents) and by also patrolling editors who are on on the redirect whitelist.
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Beethoven
On the DYK discussion, please check out Beethoven. I suggested to have several hooks concerning Beethoven around 17 December - his 250th anniversary of baptism. The first such prep is 5 where I hoped to see one of the two images, as many believe that he was born on 16 December, + it's already 17 some places in the world. The other pic could go to prep 7, because during most of prep 6, Europeans sleep. What do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:19, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * FYI Amkgp, all this was sprung on us at WT:DYK very recently. There is no consensus for consecutive image hooks nor for filling up the prep sets with Beethoven hooks. I just came back online and saw this conversation, and have left a note at WT:DYK trying to ascertain what is going on and why we're celebrating Beethoven's birthday on the 16th when our article about him doesn't even mention the 16th.
 * Regarding set-building in general, please remember that we have a ton of U.S.-based hooks and need to spread them out. Try not to run one after another in a set, or one image after another in consecutive prep sets. I moved out 2 of the 5 U.S. hooks that you placed in Prep 4. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 16:28, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , I got all your points. Thank you. — Amkgp 💬  17:10, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Review
Hello, I hope you're doing well. I was wondering if you can review my article Draft:Harry Fear and inform me if it needs any more editing? Thanks in advance.Engy Badawy (talk) 21:32, 12 December 2020 (UTC)Engy Badawy

Speedy deletion declined: Ramya Behara
Hello Amkgp. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Ramya Behara, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Sources provided this time (there weren't any before), are sufficient to pass CSD. Needs to go back to AfD if necessary. Thank you. Ged UK  10:30, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for King Ludwig Oak
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Your GA nomination of King Ludwig Oak
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article King Ludwig Oak you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Cobalt03 -- Cobalt03 (talk) 23:41, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I can't review your article anymore due to problems occurred during this situation.--Cobalt03 (talk) 15:53, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , OK Thank you — Amkgp 💬  15:55, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Again sorry, I am sure someone else will do it! It is a great article!--Cobalt03 (talk) 15:56, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Streetcars in Santa Barbara, California
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Attributing translations
Hi Amkgp, I hope you're doing well. I noticed that you may have been creating articles by (machine-)translating them from the German Wikipedia without attribution; the ones I discovered were this, this, this, this, this and this. However, this would constitute a copyright violation, since CC BY-SA requires attribution. I'm not sure whether this applies to other articles too (potentially ones translated from languages that I don't speak), but I want to ask you go through your creations and attribute properly where needed. Thanks. Blablubbs | talk 17:52, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , I will add required Translated page details at the respective talk pages. — Amkgp 💬  17:57, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

What's going on here?
Ferronickel platinum is an unattributed translation of Ferronickelplatin, Luis Leon Masson is an unattributed translation of Luis Leon Masson, and Anandalahari is an unattributed translation of Анандалахари. Not only that but, here's some text copyright violations:, , ,. That's a lot of violations- I don't want to do this, but it looks like I don't have a choice. I'm going to block you for 1 month instead of indefinitely, hopefully this will be a wake up call. Moneytrees🏝️Talk🌴Help out at CCI! 21:39, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * @ oh my! Amkgp is actually working hard for the project it’s sad seeing them get blocked. Celestina007 (talk) 21:53, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I have no doubt they have the project best at interest- and I was reluctant to carry out this block- but they need to follow our rules on copyright. Moneytrees🏝️Talk🌴Help out at CCI! 22:15, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , That my a fault. I have devoted too much time to the project. i have a series of creations to be creating in line. I can assure such things will never occur again. I have added Translated page details at the respective talk pages and wiling to rewrite text to be within 10% earwig report. I am willing to fix all the things. Please unblock me. Thank you — Amkgp 💬  03:59, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Wait, hold up. Moneytrees, has this user been warned before about copyright violations? I've worked with Amkgp, and this user has been an upstanding member of the community. Have we tried educating the user first before resorting to a block? I trust his words when he says that he will follow the guidelines. I'm just not sure that we did the right things first before resorting to blocking...  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   05:01, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , No, because I've found warnings rarely do anything when it comes to copyright; I elaborate on why much harsher blocks are needed in this post at AN. Copyvios are like vandalism- albeit usually unintentional and done in good faith- and are much harder to clean up. And I have to clean them up. And there's 1000s upon 1000s of them. In this case I know Amkgp hadn't been warned before and is someone who can listen, so I decided to make the block just a month long. The above unblock request is good so I will unblock. Moneytrees🏝️Talk🌴Help out at CCI! 05:35, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Moneytrees - Warnings are supposed to be left and/or attempts to educate the user are supposed to be made before we proceed with blocking. Just because you feel that warnings rarely result in positive action and because you don't like cleaning up copyright violations doesn't mean that we don't try and help the user first before we block them. I mean, I get it... I don't like cleaning up copyvio stuff either. :-) I've spent a long time in a day just doing that... lol. But you have to understand is that we're blocking people, and I feel like we jumped the gun a bit too soon... Plus, running the copyvio tool, I only see about a 20% match. Can you help me find what I'm missing? :-) Cheers -  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   05:52, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , but the AN post was a kind of request for participation and help. How it turned out to be a policy? Isn't this a kind of WP:ADMINABUSE ? — Amkgp 💬  05:59, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * it's not the percent on earwig's, but what's highlighted. For instance, look at one of moneytrees links . the matching text is The complaint was taken to the National Commission for Scheduled Castes (NCSC) after which a high court judge found the four teachers guilty of flouting IIT Kanpur's conduct code and the SC/ST Preventions Atrocities Act. which is almost an exact copy of the source The complaint was taken to the National Commission for Scheduled Castes (NCSC) after which a high court judge found the four teachers guilty of flouting IIT-K’s conduct code and the SC/ST Preventions Atrocities Act. regardless of the percent that earwig's throws up, that's still copyvio. I'm not familiar with the specific case here, just thought I'd point out what moneytrees was likely referring to by saying "please don't go off of earwig percentage though, instead go off of what is highlighted", Eddie891 Talk Work 15:41, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , But what about all the others. Do you think I am doing vandalism? Is it justifiable to go ahead and block him/her without doing a background check? Someone who had contributed more and has been here longer than the blocking editor. To me it was like an attempt of WP:TOOLMISUSE. — Amkgp 💬  15:50, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Eddie891 - Okay, thanks for letting me know. :-)  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   15:55, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * and, But if that is the benchmark ...... then nearly 40% of active editors will get blocked. Its only 20% and a single sentence only. Not even a paragraph. It looks that I am being made a scapegoat to justify the block. — Amkgp 💬  16:01, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Anyways I will change some wordings. This block will definitely have an effect. Editors will now think of me a vandal here and deny requests and have a wrong judgement.— Amkgp 💬  16:07, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * and Amkgp, In my experience giving warnings to users for copyright, they do nothing and Users end up getting blocked down the road which is especially problematic if they have 1000s of edits. Here's some examples: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25... Note that this is just stuff within the last year. Those users had received several previous warnings yet continued to violate copyright anyways, 1 warning per violation, usually totaling 3-5 warnings before a block. In this instance there had been 13 violations. There was a clear misunderstanding of our rules on copyright so a block was necessary to prevent further damage- I needed to know for sure that this user understands and will not violate copyright. I spend every day here working on our copyright backlogs, there are currently 115k+ articles that need review, the backlog has gotten worse recently so preventive blocks will need to be issued quicker.Per Eddie891 above, the percentage on Earwig is really kind of irrelevant- it all comes down to what text is highlighted. It's ok if a few words or a difficult to reword sentence or two get caught, but when it can be reworded or it's a whole paragraph it's not ok. For example, a page could have a very high percentage... but the only thing highlighted is non-copyrightable stuff like a list of names. Since the violations weren't too big I decided to be lenient and give a month instead of a longer amount. Although I won't deny that there's other editors out there who follow their sources closer than they should, that still doesn't allow violations- and I think the number is a lot lower than 40%. As for the last point, bookmark this, where the blocking admin himself says bringing up the block in an unrelated dispute would be dumb and petty. For the record, I would much rather have the people I block be unblocked, since having someone who is aware of copyright rules while writing is better than no one at all. Moneytrees🏝️Talk🌴Help out at CCI! 18:05, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , Its a long answer that explains policy and editorial behavior of people who do not care about rules and regulations. I think the current backlog is a burden/problem of WP:CCI. FYI I am well experienced NPP patroller and AFC reviewer. Beside these, I also help in reporting copyright violations at commons. I am well aware of the copyright policy, donating material to Wikipedia, public domain stuff etc. It seems you caught me as the wrong person in the act that is not a violation. The pages you highlighted edited by me were indeed within limits and were merely long single sentences or citations/book name/patent names etc. The block was not justified for me. Forget 2-3 warnings you never ever warned once. I can understand it becomes quite a frustrating work but you must look left and right at least before blocking some one who understand things very well. Whatever may be I think lets draw the line here. Thank you.— Amkgp 💬  18:50, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

December 2020
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