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Administrators' newsletter - February 2017
News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2017). This first issue is being sent out to all administrators, if you wish to keep receiving it please subscribe. Your feedback is welcomed.

Administrator changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg NinjaRobotPirate • Schwede66 • K6ka • Ealdgyth • Ferret • Cyberpower678 • Mz7 • Primefac • Dodger67
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Briangotts • JeremyA • BU Rob13

Guideline and policy news
 * A discussion to workshop proposals to amend the administrator inactivity policy at Wikipedia talk:Administrators has been in process since late December 2016.
 * Pending changes/Request for Comment 2016 closed with no consensus for implementing Pending changes level 2 with new criteria for use.
 * Following an RfC, an activity requirement is now in place for bots and bot operators.

Technical news
 * When performing some administrative actions the reason field briefly gave suggestions as text was typed. This change has since been reverted so that issues with the implementation can be addressed. (T34950)
 * Following the latest RfC concluding that Pending Changes 2 should not be used on the English Wikipedia, an RfC closed with consensus to remove the options for using it from the page protection interface, a change which has now been made. (T156448)
 * The Foundation has announced a new community health initiative to combat harassment. This should bring numerous improvements to tools for admins and CheckUsers in 2017.

Arbitration
 * The Arbitration Committee released a response to the Wikimedia Foundation's statement on paid editing and outing.

Obituaries
 * JohnCD (John Cameron Deas) passed away on 30 December 2016. John began editing Wikipedia seriously during 2007 and became an administrator in November 2009.

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Please comment on Talk:2017 World Rally Championship
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Please comment on Talk:Tomas Gorny
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Senator Scott Wilk
Hi - thanks for responding so quickly but I don't think I was clear in my help request. I wanted to keep what I'd updated and get back a section that was deleted. So...the page should read like below with an updated chart on current 2016 election. The California's 21st State Senate district election, 2016 was a chart on wikpedia but it didn't copy and paste correctly onto Mr. Wilk's page or this message. Thanks. 198.135.224.110 (talk) 23:32, 3 February 2017 (UTC) Eileen

Please comment on Template talk:Infobox music genre
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Please comment on Talk:Kfar Ahim
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New Page Review - newsletter No.2
Hello , We now have New Page Reviewers! Most of us requested the user right at PERM, expressing a wish to be able to do something about the huge backlog, but the chart on the right does not demonstrate any changes to the pre-user-right levels of October. The backlog is still steadily growing at a rate of 150 a day or 4,650 a month. Only 20 reviews a day by each reviewer over the next few days would bring the backlog down to a managable level and the daily input can then be processed by each reviewer doing only 2 or 3 reviews a day - that's about 5 minutes work! It didn't work in time to relax for the Xmas/New Year holidays. Let's see if we can achieve our goal before Easter, otherwise by Thanksgiving it will be closer to. Remember that we are the only guardians of quality of new articles, we alone have to ensure that pages are being correctly tagged by non-Reviewer patrollers and that new authors are not being bitten. This is even more important and extra vigilance is required considering Orangemoody,  and
 * A HUGE backlog
 * Second set of eyes
 * Abuse
 * 1) this very recent case of paid advertising by a Reviewer resulting  in  a community ban.
 * 2) this case in January of paid advertising by a Reviewer, also resulting in  a community ban.
 * 3) This Reviewer is indefinitely blocked for sockpuppetry.

Coordinator election
Kudpung is stepping down after 6 years as unofficial coordinator of New Page Patrolling/Reviewing. There is enough work for two people and two coords are now required. Details are at NPR Coordinators; nominate someone or nominate yourself. Date for the actual suffrage will be published later. Discuss this newsletter here. If you wish to opt-out of future mailings, please remove yourself from the mailing list MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:11, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

The future of NPP and AfC/Work group
As you are a member of the above task force we're just letting you know about an up coming election for two coordinators for the New Page Review System. Full details at New Page Review Coordinators If you no longer wish to receive messages from this project, you may opt out here. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 12:32, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Sesshō and Kampaku
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The Signpost: 6 February 2017
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Actor Submission for Hidden Figures
I have submitted my name for the cast of Hidden Figures

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0367233/?ref_=nv_sr_1

This is the IMDB site. You will see I portrayed the Night School Professor.

Thanks!

Michael HartsonSonofhart (talk) 20:23, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Categories, lists, and navigation templates
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Please comment on Talk:Rafael Díez de la Cortina y Olaeta
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241 Pizza
Hello Amortias,

On this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/241_Pizza

I'm trying to remove this sentence "However, 241 Pizza is mutually exclusive with the American Papa John's chain" as it is not clear. In what way is 241 Pizza mutually exclusive with 241 Pizza?

Thanks.

Tom Tentoglou — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tentoglou (talk • contribs) 14:40, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Tom
 * The mutual exclusivity refers to neither establishment opening a competing restaurant in a location the other already has one existing. Amortias (T)(C) 22:39, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)
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PROD reason
You didn't give any reason for the PROD here. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:05, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:2017 Melbourne car attack
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Doppelgänger account?
Could you be so kind as to create ChrissyMad as a doppelgänger account for me? :) Chrissymad  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  00:13, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

✅. Amortias (T)(C) 00:16, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Club Car
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Please comment on Template talk:Infobox person
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Good luck!
Good luck for your rfa!  J 947  19:06, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)
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Hi Amortias, thanks so much for your help with the West Ewell and Ruxley Residents Association page. Could you please help with one more thing? The use of an apostrophe in the page title means that it is no longer canon with the page for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Residents_Associations_of_Epsom_and_Ewell. Also because of the differing unicode settings between UK and US keyboards the type of apostrophe currently used is not reproducible and requires the unicode representation to type and share. Could you please remove the apostrophe? I cannot find a way to do it. Many Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Linguinigenie (talk • contribs) 08:52, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you
Hi,

Thank you for fixing the referencing error for me. My article wasn't accepted because the submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability.Can you edit my article? I understand that I've submitted some sources that are not reliable.I didn't find the list of the reliable sources.

Thank you. Andrewrares (talk) 16:13, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)
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Please comment on Talk:K-pop
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Please comment on Talk:List of original programs distributed by Netflix
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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Edit filter
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Please comment on Talk:Appalachian English
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Wikipedia page
Amoritas,

I am one of the few doctors that specialize in Regenerative Medicine such as stem cell therapy for joint and tendon pain. I am also concussion specialist. These are 2 areas of medicine in which it is rare to find a physician or knowledge on. I believe it is a service to the general public to be informed that a physican such as myself does exist in these specialities. Because of these unique skills, I'm hoping you can allow my profile to remain. If there is anything I can do to improve my chances to be on Wikipedia please let me know. The Wikipedia article is under: Vinay Chopra Vchopra2005 (talk) 16:35, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi ,
 * Wikipedia requires that all pages show how the subject of the article meets its criteria for notability. The page you created does not currently show how it meets those. Alongside this as you've mentioned the article is an autobiography something that Wikipedia strongly advises against. If you wish to have an article about yourself then you should follow the guidance about requesting an article at this page. Amortias (T)(C) 16:44, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Charles Murray (political scientist)
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New Page Review-Patrolling: Coordinator elections
Your last chance to nominate yourself or any New Page Reviewer, See Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Coordination. Elections begin Monday 20 February 23:59 UTC. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:17, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

RfA
Although not official yet, let me be the first to say congrats. You were always helpful at OTRC. Good luck.  Onel 5969  TT me 19:10, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Might as well pile in now... Congratulations. Nice to have one more UK admin into the fold. Enjoy What you won't learn in new admin school - it's all so true. Ron h jones (Talk) 19:11, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

== Willow weep for me isn't on wikipedia's live at the lighthouse by lee morgan and it should be, you can go to youtube to hear it and go to soundhound to verify its source found in his discography71.10.169.173 (talk) 20:39, 19 February 2017 (UTC) ==

Italic text--71.10.169.173 (talk) 20:39, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Your RFA

 * — xaosflux  Talk 22:33, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Successful RfA

 * Congratulations for adminship !!   CAPTAIN RAJU  (✉)   22:43, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, best go start pulling my weight around here and go deal with something adminish. Amortias (T)(C) 23:30, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Tourism in Georgia (country)
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Guild of Copy Editors February 2017 News
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Precious
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:13, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

User:Palladium - Make it Possible
Can you please delete their userpage as per WP:CSD? Thanks. 172.58.40.49 (talk) 00:33, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Terrence Malick
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New Page Review - newsletter No.3
Hello , Voting for coordinators has now begun HERE and will continue through/to 23:59 UTC Monday 06 March. Please be sure to vote. Any registered, confirmed editor can vote. Nominations are now closed. We now have New Page Reviewers but despite numerous appeals for help, the backlog has NOT been significantly reduced. If you asked for the New Page Reviewer right, please consider investing a bit of time - every little helps preventing spam and trash entering the mainspace and Google when the 'NO_INDEX' tags expire. Discuss this newsletter here. If you wish to opt-out of future mailings, please remove yourself from the mailing list. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:35, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Still a MASSIVE backlog

The future of NPP and AfC
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Please comment on Talk:JonTron
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Tep boprek G7
I saw you declined the G7 of the blanking because it was an IP editor. I had tagged it that way because if you look at the timestamps between the edits, and the other edits of the IP, it looks like a case of an article creator who had logged out and forgot to sign back in before blanking, and I have seen admin's delete such articles as G7 in the past. If you still feel the revert is best, totally understand, just wanted to explain the tag :) TonyBallioni (talk) 15:23, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Revdel?
Hi, Amortias. I need you to REVDEL some copyright violations on Trinity Valley School. Thanks. MereTechnicality  ⚙  15:30, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I just realized that I asked you to do this and you haven't taken admin actions in like 5 hours so I suppose you're offline. I'll just tag it. Sorry.  MereTechnicality   ⚙  15:34, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅. Amortias (T)(C) 15:38, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. MereTechnicality   ⚙  15:39, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Xavier Rosset page
Hello Amortias,

I was wondering if you could tell me why you deleted my page about Xavier Rosset. I am a college student from the U.S. and my professor is teaching us how to create/edit wikipedia pages and he instructed us to create one based on a list of given topics, I chose to write on Xavier Rosset. Being new to Wikipedia I assume I did something incorrectly, and I wanted to know if you could tell me exactly what it was so I could continue to work on the page and not abandon my work thus far.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by MikeWazowski11 (talk • contribs) 00:26, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi articles on Wikipedia need to show the subject of the article meets our criteria for notability which is our benchmark for inclusion, looking for Xavier Rosset I could find no evidence of how he met these criteria. If you believe that you can show evidence of this then I would be happy to retrieve the page and move it to a more suitable location to be worked on as it would not yet be suitable for inclusion in the encyclopaedia.
 * The article aside from showing how it meets the criteria for notability would need to be verifiable through the use of third party reliable sources which would back up the statements being made in the article.
 * Hope this helps. Amortias (T)(C) 00:33, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Album-oriented rock
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Notice
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Disruptive behavior at AfD and MfD. Lepricavark (talk) 14:55, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of Liana Aghajanian page
Hi Amortias,

Thanks for your feedback. I have revised the article accordingly and hopefully you can still review it and approve the page once it meets the criteria of Wikipedia.

Thank you! Aia Aiadelacruz (talk) 15:22, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Richard B. Spencer
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Hie,please can you review,edit and submit https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tryt .The article is about a musical artist from Zimbabwe.Tichaz (talk) 05:53, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Edit and submit
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tryt Tichaz (talk) 05:56, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Applications of 3D printing
Applications of 3D printing was incorrectly tagged for speedy deletion. It was an article split from 3D printing, and the only text in the new article was taken directly from the old one. I ran Earwig on the pre-split version of 3D printing, and it looks like there were a handful of sentences that were copy-pasted from the original sources, but nothing particulary egregious. I'd like to request the article be undeleted, and I'm happy to clean up the preexisting small copyvios afterwards. John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk) 23:34, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I ran the new article past Earwigs copyvio tool and got 3 matches over 85% . The old article might have been low % copyvio but what was split was almost entirely copyvio and as such I wouldnt be happy restoring it. I'll head over to the original article and see if the editing history needs tidy up Amortias (T)(C) 23:39, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Scratch that. Looks like reviewing the page on Archive.org theyve copied form us. Restoring. Amortias (T)(C) 23:48, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I did see a handful of sentences that are copy-pasted from their sources, so I will clean those up now.  John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk) 23:51, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:List of Murdoch Mysteries episodes
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Something Just Like This
Can you semi-protect the page persistent edit warring. 183.171.180.204 (talk) 12:51, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Codename: Gordon/Archive 1 and Talk:Codename: Gordon/GA1
Hello, you declined the speedy deletion tags on these pages claiming that as they were talk ppages, they were exempt from CSD G8. That criterion has no such exemption; the only slightly relevant part is "talk page archives (except article talk page archives where the corresponding article and main talk page have been deleted and the page is not otherwise useful to Wikipedia ...)", and it even mentions that subpages without parents can be deleted. Perhaps you were thinking of user talk pages? Anyway, I've closed both the resulting MFD's nominated by GeoffreyT2000, as a result of your incorrect declining of those speedy deletion tags. Graham 87 13:10, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah my bad. Must've misread/misinterpreted it at the time. Amortias (T)(C) 15:44, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

The Movie Database
I am not sure whether Jimthing used that as his original .. it may even come further away. He dodges the question, and says he wrote it himself. I am afraid that it still is a copyvio, alse the other version ... --Dirk Beetstra T C 17:40, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
 * ran it past Earwigs copyvio tools and its unlikely to be a copyvio (at least that it can detect). The page Jimthing created seemed to be fairly similar to the one that was merged so it could be a huge coincidence, there was no complaints about the attribution being changed from him to the creator of the draft either. If you can find anything that might link it to a copyvio of something I'll happily review. Amortias (T)(C) 17:46, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Cheers, I am not a copyvio expert. I am only worried about the language they use (sockpuppetry?).  I did not find anything external .. yet.  --Dirk Beetstra T  C 17:56, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for taking care of the Dr. Simon E. Mills situation! Nsk92 (talk) 17:56, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Planet of the Apes (2001 film)
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Congratulations on your RfA!

 * Congrats on your RfA. Please take a deep breath and enjoy the moment... Done? Good. The CSD backlog is this way. :-D -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:05, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

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 * Congratulations and well done for sitting through some of the weirdest and rudest RfA votes I've seen in a while - that aside, welcome to the corp and have a little read of our latest newsletter. There's plenty to do, and as always please feel free to run things by me if you ever need to -- Samtar talk &middot; contribs 10:07, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, cabal access is this way -- Samtar talk &middot; contribs 10:09, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Congrats! (sorry for the delay, been without Internet for 24 hrs). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:47, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Another late congratulations. Mkdw  talk 20:43, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Islamway.net
hello

Speedy deletion was done immediately without time for contesting

please can you tell the cause of this fast delete without reviewing the talk page?!

I am going to submit again, is it OK! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Albicelestes (talk • contribs) 22:52, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

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Please comment on Talk:Daddy Yankee
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Contesting speedy deletion of ESIF
You have deleted ESIF overnight without giving me the time to contest it. This hastiness just makes more work for everyone. First of all we do need an article on this, as Structural Funds is out of date. And someone has to start somewhere in building up an article,so don't penalise the one who makes an effort. Thirdly it is definitely not a copyright infringement as Europa content is in the public domain and subject to the following copyright conditions (see https://europa.eu/european-union/abouteuropa/legal_notices_en): "Copyright notice © European Union, 1995-2017

Reproduction is authorised, provided the source is acknowledged, save where otherwise stated. Where prior permission must be obtained for the reproduction or use of textual and multimedia information (sound, images, software, etc.), such permission shall cancel the above-mentioned general permission and shall clearly indicate any restrictions on use."

Therefore I would ask you to reinstate the page and let me get on with improving it. TobyJ (talk) 04:45, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, unfortunately the release provided by the legal page doesn't provide release into the public domain. As conditions are attached to its release such as references being made to the original work this would not meet the requirements of a public domain work. The page can be used for reference but must be significantly reworded or redesigned so as not to risk being a copyright infringement. Amortias (T)(C) 21:03, 26 February 2017 (UTC)


 * OK I accept that, so please reinstate the page and I will work on it. Articles do not miraculously appear fully formed. TobyJ (talk) 05:39, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * unfortunatley as the article contains copyright violations in every revision we would not be able to restore this. The article would need to be recreated from scratch if it is to be included again. Amortias (T)(C) 13:50, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Collapsing
Please don't hide other people's views as you did on Articles for deletion/The Russian Bride. Lyrda (talk) 13:19, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
 * All things being equal, I'm just surprised that far more wasn't hatted far sooner. That whole discussion completely disintigrated.  O Fortuna!  ...Imperatrix mundi.  13:59, 28 February 2017 (UTC)