User talk:AncientWalrus/Archive 1

Managing a conflict of interest
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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Bbb23 (talk) 15:14, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

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 * Thank you @Diannaa! I have edited Wikipedia before, created my first article almost 20 years ago. Could you please clarify whether your comment is related to anything specific you noticed in my edits to GISAID? It appears like you think I have violated copyright. Is that correct? Or is this message written to everyone? AncientWalrus (talk) 15:25, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Content you added was a match for text in https://www.nature.com/articles/442957a/. Please see the CopyPatrol report. Click on the iThenticate link to see the matching content. — Diannaa (talk) 15:29, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you - this would have been useful to know in the first place! I will have a look at it!
 * Is that why some edits are deleted? That's a shame - can you restore the edits that did not match the text? Like the categories I added for example AncientWalrus (talk) 15:32, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you - I see, so I need to paraphrase more. Good to know. Sorry for the hassle. AncientWalrus (talk) 15:41, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Manual of Style/Images not heeded
With respect, your edit here seems to have thoughtlessly ignored the instructions at MOS:IMAGES, to "find better images and improve captions instead of simply removing poor or inappropriate ones". Please take care to actually follow the guidelines rather than just wield them about. - AppleBsTime (talk) 04:56, 29 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I know the policy full well, you ommitted important parts: "When possible, find better images and improve captions instead of simply removing poor or inappropriate ones, especially on pages with few visuals. However, not every article needs images, and too many can be distracting."
 * The image in question is definitely not helpful as it is a non-descript group photo.
 * You raise a good point about alternstives. I couldn't think of a better visual off the top of my head.
 * What about a screenshot of the EpiCov database? That would be much more relevant to the topic. AncientWalrus (talk) 06:00, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

March 2023
Your recent editing history at GISAID shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you do not violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Mako001 (C) (T)  🇺🇦 06:16, 29 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your notice. I apologize for the revert. You are right, even if I think the reverted revert is wholly unjustified and uncivil I should demonstrate civility and start a discussion with a goal of consensus. AncientWalrus (talk) 16:10, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Given our very recent discussion of WP:COIEDIT, my impression is that your addition of Bioinformatics to the article is an exercise in boundary-pushing. I would note that you could have brought further attention to the discussion on the talk page and allowed an editor with no such concern to add the template. BD2412  T 02:14, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Dispute resolution noticeboard
Hello, I wanted to let you know of a discussion on Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard relating to GISAID. (I did not initially include you as a party to the dispute given that you have made few comments relative to other editors there). However, I suggest you may wish to refrain from getting involved given the repeated (false) suggestions of sockpuppetry that have occurred. Tobeortobebetter (talk) 16:29, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Peter Bogner for deletion
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 * Article has been moved to Talk:Peter Bogner (businessman) AncientWalrus (talk) 17:08, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

May 2023
Please do not delete or edit legitimate talk page comments, as you did at Wikipedia:Administrator's noticeboard/Incidents. Such edits are disruptive, and may appear to other editors to be vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. Thank you. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:30, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for reverting my edit - I have no clue how I deleted that comment, I just wanted to add a bullet point to my comment. Maybe a merge conflict in the editor or a bug with Wikipedia or I just screwed up with ctrl+find. I'll preview my edits even more carefully to avoid this. In the future. AncientWalrus (talk) 18:35, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * OK. I thought it might have been a mistake, probably a system error. Carry on. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:41, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * (ec, lol) I can see you used the 2017 text editor (aka "new wikitext mode") to make that edit. I've long suspected (but cannot reproduce) a bug in that editor, that's caused similar situations. I'd like to try again to reproduce this. Some questions, while this is still fresh in your mind:
 * Do you have the "Paragraph-based edit conflict" option selected under Special:Preferences?
 * Did you get any sort of warning about an edit conflict?
 * Were you editing the whole page? Or just that one section?
 * To the best of your memory, how long did it take from when you clicked "edit" to when you clicked "publish"? Looking at, do you think it's more likely that you clicked "edit" before Heartfox's edit, between Heartfox's and Jayron32's, or after Jayron32's?
 * Thanks. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 18:59, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Suffusion of Yellow! I am more than happy to try to help reproduce this.
 * Yes, I have "Paragraph-based edit conflict" selected, I've got the "select all beta" tick selected
 * I don't think I got any warning
 * I was editing the whole page source
 * Likely between Heartfox and Jayron, maybe before Heartfox
 * I've noticed some issues with long latency between clicking "publish" and the server accepting it. Sometimes there was no acceptance at all. It could well be that this contributed. I was using Edge. AncientWalrus (talk) 19:27, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Any possibility you were viewing a permalink or diff (e.g. your own diff) when you clicked "edit"? While that's technically user error on your part, I noticed that the box which says You are editing an old revision of this page. If you publish it, any changes made since then will be removed. You may wish to edit the current revision instead. is kind of easy to miss, and disappears when you click anywhere on the page. Is it possible you just didn't see it? Perhaps this can be "fixed" just by changing the color of a template. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 19:42, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Ha yes! I think that's it! The notice is not visible unless you scroll _all the way_ to the bottom as there's lots of text at the top due to this: edit notice. The actual warning is totally hidden below a lot of content. I can share a screenshot privately by email if you'd like that, I don't want to post on a file sharing site as that could reveal my identity. AncientWalrus (talk) 20:00, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * That's alright; I can see the same thing. See WP:VPT. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:42, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Non-admin move revert over redirect
I'm assuming that you're a non-admin, like me. I'm just curious about how you did the move revert over a redirect. It's only very rarely that I ever have justification in doing this, and asking for an uncontroversial technical move is usually fast anyway, but I did actually try to do the revert myself, and was rejected because of the redirect. If you think it's better not to reveal the trick, that's OK, but I admit being curious. Maybe there's a preference that needs to be selected? Boud (talk) 17:17, 6 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Interesting, I don't think I did anything special. I just clicked on "Tools>Move" which led me to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MovePage/PAGENAME, one click done. Didn't need to manually delete any redirect, it all happened automatically. AncientWalrus (talk) 17:35, 6 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for confirming that you did nothing special. So I guess hypotheses to explain this include: (1) something subtle in my preferences or interface choice; (2) given that I started in Wikipedia early, there might be a parameter in the record for these older user IDs that didn't get updated correctly when new parameters about my or many users' status(es) were added or updated, and since the number of people involved is small, those who are affected didn't bother complaining about the bug. Many people who've continued this long probably become admins and so wouldn't have noticed the bug. I'm not going to chase it up - it's not worth the effort, since the "community" solution of asking for an uncontroversial technical move is highly efficient anyway and it's rare that I think I'm justified in doing this. But it does mean that there's a small bug somewhere. :) Other bugs are much more important though, such as getting graphs working again - this time in a secure way. Boud (talk) 20:25, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * A page can be moved over a redirect if the redirect contains only one revision, and the redirect is to the page being moved. A look through the page histories (this diff) suggests that the first criteria was not satisfied in your case. -- zzuuzz (talk) 21:14, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I won't try to check for this particular case, since it's complicated to check, but it's a better hypothesis than both of mine :), it sounds credible, and it's presumably considered a standard feature. I'll likely test it within the next 5 years or so, next time I'm in a situation where it makes sense to try. Boud (talk) 23:23, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of New Frontier Design for deletion
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Per previous discussion, please limit your activity with respect to GISAID to the talk page
You are welcome to discuss there as you wish, and seek to gain consensus, but your personal involvement in the subject militates against direct editing of the article. Please note that External links specifically permits the inclusion as external links of sources that are impermissible to use in the body of the article—for example, the official website of the subject of the article, which is obviously not independent. I have, however, noted that the authors are GISAID-affiliated, which also would have been an excellent suggestion. BD2412 T 00:24, 30 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I don't remember that when you previously raised this, we agreed that I would limit activity to the talk page. Please provide evidence. Feel free to bring your concern up at the relevant venue for dispute resolution. I will reply regarding the external link on the talk page (or start a discussion there if you haven't done so already). AncientWalrus (talk) 17:34, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

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