User talk:AndFos87

July 2019
Please do not add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia, as you did to Agency.com. Wikipedia is not a collection of links, nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include, but are not limited to, links to personal websites, links to websites with which you are affiliated (whether as a link in article text, or a citation in an article), and links that attract visitors to a website or promote a product. See the external links guideline and spam guideline for further explanations. Because Wikipedia uses the nofollow attribute value, its external links are disregarded by most search engines. If you feel the link should be added to the page, please discuss it on the associated talk page rather than re-adding it.  MrOllie (talk) 13:09, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

There have been two problems with this account: the account has been used for advertising or promotion, which is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia, and your username indicates that the account represents a business or other organisation or group or a web site, which is also against policy, as an account must be for just one person. Because of those problems, the account has been blocked indefinitely from editing. Additionally, if you receive, or expect to receive, compensation for your contributions to Wikipedia, you must disclose who is paying you to edit.

If you intend to make useful contributions about some topic other than your business or organisation, you may request an unblock. To do so, post the text at the bottom of your talk page. Replace the text "Your proposed new username" with a new username you are willing to use. See Special:CentralAuth to search for available usernames. Your new username will need to meet our username policy. Replace the text "Your reason here" with your reason to be unblocked. In that reason, you must:
 * Convince us that you understand the reason for your block and that you will not repeat the kind of edits for which you were blocked.
 * Describe in general terms the contributions that you intend to make if you are unblocked.

If you believe this block was made in error, you may appeal this block. To do so, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the text at the bottom of your talk page, replace the text "Your reason here" with your reason for thinking that the block was an error, and publish the page. Kuru  (talk)  16:02, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Besides that, the second page on Wikipedia was a page with links of advertising agencies. Can you tell me what I did wrong there please?
 * Those were links to articles, not to ad agencies. As you have an obvious WP:conflict of interest, you may not link to your company. People who come here to promote a subject often have trouble discerning the difference between spam and constuctive editing. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a place to promote anything.  Dlohcierekim (talk) 02:51, 14 July 2019 (UTC)


 * You have not proposed a new username that complies with the username policy. Please edit your request to do so. 331dot (talk) 18:01, 13 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Here you've replaced a properly archived and functioning reference with a spam link to your company's pitch page. Your other edit was to insert your company into a list that very specifically asks "Please do not add agencies that don't have a Wikipedia article." You'll need to outline how you want to contribute and how you will handle your conflict of interest. As 331dot notes, you'll also need to change your username. Kuru   (talk)  18:21, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

1. Thank you for your reply. I am still trying to figure out how it works. Looks like I did something wrong with the username, can you please tell me how to do it right?

2. I wanted to create an article-page for the advertising agency but was reading the article on how to do it. Maybe it needed to be handled the other way around, first the company article, then link.

3. It was not my intention just to create 'spam links' to the 'pitch' website since: the website is in dutch, but I thought this would not be a problem since the agency companies were referred by country.

4. Once the company article was created on Wikipedia we wanted to help on the mather of SEO and advertising articles that could use a helping hand and a fresh approach. To do this have created several guides and infographics that could have been useful.

5. If not interested in our help, we don't have a problem with it. We just wanted to help the community. If not interested in our help please tell us how to delete the account.

Best Regards, Andi


 * If you wish to withdraw your unblock request, please indicate that. Accounts cannot be deleted, if you no longer wish to edit, just abandon your account.  If you do want to edit about subjects not related to your conflict of interest, please propose a new username that complies with the username policy and indicates that a specific individual is exclusively operating this account (your real name is not required). 331dot (talk) 20:46, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I would further add that Wikipedia does not have "company pages" controlled by those companies; we have articles about companies that meet our special definition of a notable company as written at WP:ORG. We have no interest in what a company wants to say about itself or in SEO. 331dot (talk) 20:49, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Dear 331dot. Thank you again for your reply. SEO is specific knowledge of websites. How to properly code them and provide the right content. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_engine_optimization I thought I needed a company article to refer to if I added information to other articles (like the ones on SEO where I would like to add relevant information). Also, yes I am the only person using this account.
 * We also don't want you using Wikipedia to drum up business for for SEO company. There is no understandiing. We do not want you using Wikipedia to advertise.  Dlohcierekim (talk) 02:51, 14 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Re spam links, please see Spam  Dlohcierekim (talk) 02:57, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Mates, like said, I want to add information and help the community, not place spammy links. If you guys are not interested in letting me help the community, please guide me on how to remove my account like mentioned in the European GDPR law article 17, right to be forgotten. It is taking to much time to try to convince you that I wanted to help, so, guide me to the page to remove my account or remove the ban that I can share my knowledge.


 * As stated, accounts cannot be deleted, this is because all edits must be attributable to someone. Courtesy vanishing is only given to editors in good standing, as you are blocked, you are ineligible for that process. EU laws or rights are not binding on Wikipedia which is physically located in the United States. You are welcome to contribute about subjects that are not spam and not related to your conflict of interest. Please tell what those might be, or withdraw your request. 331dot (talk) 12:11, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

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Don't bother anymore, I wanted to give people more insights into good websites, like the Wikipedia page I have shown you guys. But you guys just don't want to remove the ban. Wikipedia lets European users create an account, meaning Wikipedia needs to be in regulation with European law. I kindly asked to remove the ban sw I can use my knowledge to further expand Wikipedia. Dudes you all know if I wanted to just create spam, I could have created several other mail addresses, so I find it a bit offensive you are still trying to suit me off as a spammer. Hereby I ask you formally to a. remove the ban or b. remove my account.
 * It is not possible to delete accounts, this is for legal reasons, as all edits must be attributable to someone. Until the EU sends the EU army through the United States military to Wikipedia's servers to enforce EU laws, it laws are not binding on United States-based websites, just as the First Amendment to the United States Constitution is not binding on websites in European countries that restrict speech in certain ways. Even if in good standing, per WP:VANISH: "Courtesy vanishing is discretionary and may be refused." 331dot (talk) 18:11, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

extended discussion on unblock and renaming in response to OTRSer
I'm corresponding with someone at OTRS (ticket:2019071410002923). I understand that you cannot look at that, but I'm leaving the link from my own reference.

After some back-and-forth I think I have come to understand that there is some misunderstanding.

As you know, the initial block was a username block and I don't think they appreciated what that meant initially but we've made progress on that point, and they are prepared to create a new account.

However, (and I'll emphasize I haven't even read every single word on this page but I have the gist of it), subsequent discussions led you to concerns that this person wanted to become an editor to for SEO purposes. I got that impression as well and understood why the block wasn't lifted nor suggestions to create a new account with an acceptable username.

I think I now understand that the editor is not intending to improve SEO for particular websites or associated Wikipedia articles but has some knowledge of SCO and wants to improve the Wikipedia article about SEO.

To me, this sounds perfectly legitimate, and I'm prepared to offer to help them create a new account with an acceptable username but don't want to take those steps without agreement from you that this makes sense. S Philbrick (Talk)  18:06, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't mind if they do so using edit requests(as they have a COI) and agree to not attempt to write an article(or edit) about their company. 331dot (talk) 18:12, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your note. I echo what 331dot has already said. All they need to do is follow the instructions already on this page. They need to agree not to link to mioo.be or edit about Mioo/Mioo Design. In this editthey changed an exiting ref link to one to their company. They can propose a non promo, non coi user name using the template in the block notice. They must also describe what constructive edits they will make. Furthermore, they need to cut the crap about, "Wikipedia needs to be in regulation with European law." So, whatever represntations were made via OTRS, it is not just a user name block it is a SPAMU block-- promotional user name and promotional edits. Often, those making promotional edits cannot see they are making promotional edits. Please, do read this talk page and make sure they thoroughly understand what they were blocked for and what to do and what not to do. Frankly, in reading this talk page, I am not so convinced of their earnestness as you are.  As  is blocking admin, I would consult them before honoring any unblock request.   Dlohcierekim (talk) 19:22, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

PS. If you create for them a new user name without addressing the reasons for this block, you will be aiding them in block evasion. Please do not rename them yourself. These unblocks are best done in the open under the scrutiny of the community. Dlohcierekim (talk) 19:26, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The original block was very explicitly for two reasons. The name, and the promotional activity. The dead link swap to a promotional link that has little to do with the topic is an ancient tactic; that's why we have edit filters to alert us to that kind of behavior. Their initial response to this and the COI was less than helpful - an offer to link to more of their materials and to create an article for their company. I would not be in favor of an unblock without some indication of acknowledgement and a strict condition of avoiding COI edits, mostly as they relate to that specific entity. Kuru   (talk)  20:59, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Also, if the user would be good enough to post their choice of new user name here, I'm more than happy to perform the rename. I'm quite good at it.  Dlohcierekim (talk) 22:49, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Unblock discussion and globally renamed Mioo Design to AndFos87
I globally renamed Mioo Design to AndFos87.
 * Thanks for renaming.


 * Endorse accept unblock; other admins might not agree.  Dlohcierekim (talk) 10:14, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm good. Kuru   (talk)  23:13, 18 July 2019 (UTC)