User talk:Ander2em

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Hi there, I replied again. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 19:01, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * ...and again. If you want, I can stop leaving you notifications – if they help, it's not a big deal to post more! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 20:36, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Notifications are fine! Thank you for being so responsive!
 * Shouldn't have said that so soon – I totally forgot to reply to your message until now. Sorry! :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:19, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Replied! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 20:45, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Probably easier to continue this here
Hi Ed, I have no idea if I'm doing this right. i just wanted to update you and tell you that my topic for the public policy project is the Space policy of the United States. Any suggestions on where to start? Thanks! Ander2em (talk) 16:06, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello! You almost had it right. Use the "+" button at the top (next to "history") to add a new section. To reply to a message left in a section, use the [edit] button right above and to the right of this text (aka section editing).
 * Everyone has their own preferred methods of copyediting, but I would say to take on only one section at a time. I like to use two tabs when copyediting – one to read the article, the other to edit it, but that's your call. I'm sure you'll have more questions as you go along, but don't be afraid to ask. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 16:23, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks! My assignment for this week is to have one paragraph written, posted, and cited. If you have gone to the page, you'll see it has already been started. As I go about finishing/writing this article, should I just leave what is already written there and expand? Also, any tips on citing? I've been looking into the citing format of other articles but I could use more guidance. This is intimidating! Ander2em (talk) 18:30, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, you have to write a paragraph, my bad. The article looks like it covers all the basic points, so perhaps you can add a paragraph on one of the shorter sections, or replace it with one that is more detailed? Formatting sources on Wikipedia doesn't have very many rules. If you are comfortable with MLA/Chicago/etc., feel free to use those style guides; otherwise, cite book/cite web/cite journal/etc. are fine, and I can show you how to use them (I personally use Chicago, but my early articles like this one use the templates).
 * Actually adding sources into Wikipedia looks complicated but is actually relatively simple once you get the hang of it. I made a quick example page here, if that helps. Still, the main thing is that you use a reliable source. Editors like me can fix a broken reference, but we can't fix it when you use a poor source. ;-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 19:01, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Great, thank you! So I am working on the International Space Law section for now. I found a great explanation of what exactly the international space laws do and proclaim and I would like to quote this in my paragraph. Can I take the explanation (it's a few sentences), put quotations around it, then do the "ref" thing right after it? Ander2em (talk) 20:01, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry if I am blowing up your talk page! About the citing, I was just going to cite things like I usually do and put it between the "ref" and "/ref" format. I looked at the cite web thing you posted but I don't quite understand that yet. So for now, the normal MLA citing will work? Ander2em (talk) 20:14, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Hahah, don't be sorry, it's fine! You can quote it, but it is normally better to paraphrase the explanation. Otherwise, you have it spot on. You don't need a reference after every consecutive sentence, but they all have to be sourced to the same thing if you do that.
 * On citing, I have my foot in my mouth. If you are starting a page from scratch, whatever citation method you like is fine. However, this is a pre-existing page, meaning you should conform to the style already being used, which in this case are the cite templates. Sorry for the confusion. :/ Where is the explanation you found? I'll walk you through how to put it into a template citation, or you can try it yourself: if it's a book, just copy/paste and fill in the blanks!   It's basically the same thing with web pages:   
 * Does that make sense? Otherwise I can show you a few more examples on here or IRC until you get the hang of it. I know it's a bit complicated and throwing a lot at you at once... sorry for that :/ Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 20:33, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Gotcha, I am down with copying and pasting! Where do I copy and paste it to though? Do you have access to my sandbox? If so, can you look/fix what I have so far? And any suggestions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ander2em (talk • contribs) 20:50, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Also, I was going to expand on the principles and declarations I listed...but I also wanted to provide a link to each one. Is that possible since it's not on Wikipedia? Or should I not link it at all? And if I should link, how do I do that? haha...questions, questions. Thanks for being patient! Ander2em (talk) 20:59, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I fixed the reference -- you needed a reflist and to have   around it. :-) Why did they adopt these treaties? What have they done? Stuff like that would help.
 * You could add a link to "External links" section at the bottom of the article, but multiple links might be a bit much! You could also use them as primary-source references if we're talking about the actual laws on the UN's site? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:18, 18 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm definitely getting most of my information from that one site with the actual principles and declarations. I've decided to focus my writing and editing in the "international law" section and I think that will be enough for my project. I'm having fun adding all the info :) It's so cool to see the finished project! It is still clearly unfinished though.
 * Mainly I'm going to have issues citing. If you look on the article page, you'll see I have been added information about each principle and declaration under their subtitles. Do I need to cite after each description? Or should I save it for the end? And any tips on the format? Ander2em (talk) 19:55, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Isn't it fun knowing your changes are visible to everyone in the world right away? :-) Are the principle and declarations all quoted from the same source? If so, I'd just cite it right after the colon ("The five declarations and principles are:"). If they aren't quotes, cite it right after. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 20:44, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, problem! I found a Wikipedia page- Space Law...and this is more of what I have been writing about. Should I move the information I put on the Space policy of the United States about International Law onto Space Law ??? I think my teacher said that it was okay if information was repeated on different pages so the reader wouldn't have to click on a million links to understand what the original article is talking about. But what does Wikipedia say about that? Ander2em (talk) 20:02, 24 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Another thought...look at Space policy. I could put in a section about International Law there and add in what I've written already for Space policy of the United States. And then continue to elaborate on different countries' national laws. I think I like this idea best because we are supposed to be increasing our articles by five-fold and I feel like I could do more work on Space policy. Let me know your thoughts! Ander2em (talk) 20:09, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

As long as it is only your writing (or it is your writing and only trivial edits have been made to it by others), you can freely move it over. Otherwise a link in the edit summary is normally enough attribution. Space law is probably your best bet. There's no point in duplicating all that content there too. :-) To be honest, expanding one of those article five-fold will be difficult – both have over 1100 words already! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:19, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Which ones would be hard to expand? I'm worried about doing Space law just because I don't know what else I could expand on. Are you not recommending space policy?? I just feel like that would be the best one to expand on. Agh I'm confused! Ander2em (talk) 18:59, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay another thought: If I change to space law, could I still expand on the laws of various countries? I could pick a few that my sources offer...and break them into sections. I just want to plan out how much I can expand on each article before I commit to one. Ander2em (talk) 19:22, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Just talked to my professor. She liked the idea of changing so I have officially changed to Space law. I took what I wrote under the international law section of Space policy of the United States and put it into the Space law article. Do I delete that part out of Space policy of the United States ?? I know that was probably a bold move. Let me know! Also...I'm having issues citing so you might want to check my work... Ander2em (talk) 19:49, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry! I don't mean to be confusing. What I mean is DYK requires that articles be new or expanded five-fold, essentially excluding already lengthy articles. However, that doesn't mean you can't expand them, just that you may not get the article on the main page.
 * As for your second post, that would be perfect! Maybe give a general history of space laws, why they are/were needed, and then break down what individual countries' laws are and what they affect.
 * @the third post, I think you can leave it in. It's relevant to the United States article too. :-) The only thing you forgot in citing was the   tags around the citation – otherwise it was perfect. I'm looking forward to seeing what you add! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 22:39, 1 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry I have been MIA! We had spring break and a lot of cancelled classes so I'm just getting back into this. What are the rules on pictures? I was thinking of adding a picture of space or something. Slowly but surely I am working on summarizing those principles and declarations. So far so good! Ander2em (talk) 04:16, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries. Images have to be freely licensed, which can be hard to find at times. Try meta:Free image resources if you want; otherwise I'd advise just using the Commons. Images on Wikipedia or Commons can be added into articles using image syntax. (it's a bit convoluted, just let me know if you don't understand it!) :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:31, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

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Hey again, I finally found the page that lists all of the citation templates with examples. Citation_templates :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 16:42, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

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