User talk:Andoornborg

Welcome
The first thing I'd suggest is to head over to WP:GLAM and do some reading there; there's lots of advice on how to contribute while observing Wikipedia policies on conflict of interest, as well as coordination with Wikimedia Foundation outreach and with other organizaiotns.  Acroterion   (talk)   16:58, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Email to GLAM
Dear Sir/Madam,

First let me introduce myself, my name is Bas Otting and I work for the IT department of the Peace Palace Library. The Peace Palace Library is one of the oldest and most prestigious libraries specialized in international law. Its principal objective is to service the institutions that reside in the Peace Palace, including the International Court of Justice, the Permanent Court of Arbitration, and the Hague Academy of International Law.

Since the beginning of this year our library launched a new website with a different approach in offering our information. With the use of Research Guides we are trying to give detailed information (bibliographies, librarian’s choice, databases, library blogs, links and see also’s) on 50+ topics on International Law. We think this information can add much value to the corresponding topics on Wikipedia and I was wandering if it is possible to add these Research Guides to the External Links part of the Wikipedia pages. I already created a list with all our Research Guides and the Wikipedia page they belong to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Andoornborg.

Two weeks ago I tried to add these links myself but after two or three times my account was marked as spam, I requested an unblock but that didn’t go very well. Luckily there were a few people who saw that my contribution was not spam and told me to create a new account and to take a look at WP:GLAM. That’s why I’m sending this email to you, can you help me with adding these links to the Wikipedia pages? I also would like to edit our own page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_Palace_Library but I’m afraid I will be marked as spammer again.

Thank you in advanced!

Kind regards, Bas Otting (Andoornborg)

- Here is a conversation I started at the Help Desk of Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2012_February_2 Add a new external link to our (very interesting) Research Guides on different wiki pages. Dear Sir/Madam, I just added an external link on a few wiki pages and received the following message: It appears you are adding external links to many different Wikipedia pages in rapid succession. This is often a sign of people spamming Wikipedia. Persistent spammers may have their websites blacklisted, preventing anyone from linking to them from all Wikimedia sites. Before you continue you may wish to review Wikipedia's policies of external links and spam as these may help you decide whether these links are appropriate for Wikipedia. Please feel free to ask at the Help Desk if you have any questions. If you want to add references to the article, please, read WP:References for an appropriate way to do this. If you're sure you still want to make this edit, go to the bottom of this page and click 'Save page' again, and it will be submitted as is. If you were not trying to add links to many pages, and you received this message in error, you may report this error. How can I be sure that my account is not going to be blocked (marked for spam) when I add a new external link to one of our Research Guides? I'm afraid that I will be blocked when I continue this, we have about 56 very interesting Research Guides at our library website that have much value to the different wiki pages they belong to. How to continue? Is there a maximum number of adding links per day? Thanks for your help. Kind regards, Bas Otting Peace Palace Library the Netherlands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pplwebteam (talk • contribs) 15:43, 2 February 2012 (UTC) Your account has been blocked, see your talk page. You need to be aware that a Wikipedia account cannot be on behalf of a team; it must be for an individual; see WP:CORPNAME. Wikipedia is also very reluctant to accept edits which seem to be for the sole purpose of promoting or advertising an organisation. You have been given some useful links on your talk page, so pleaase read them. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:53, 2 February 2012 (UTC) ((ec)):Just to note that this is (obviously) the Peace Palace Library. WP:COI issues but clearly good faith and probably useful links of the sort we like. I don't think this is advertising. Dougweller (talk) 16:05, 2 February 2012 (UTC) Editor is asking for an unblock, saying "Can you please confirm that it is not allowed for a library to add very useful links to our Research Guides (for example http://www.peacepalacelibrary.nl/research-guides/individuals-and-international-law/human-rights/). I really don't see how this can be of any harm to wikipedia or the people that are searching for information. Thanks, Bas Otting". Now obviously he needs to get a new account and not use one with a corporate name, and adding such links is technically COI, but I really think we want the links - they've all been removed, one editor who removed one restored it and I restored the other 3. So how do we advise Bas Otting? Dougweller (talk) 16:16, 2 February 2012 (UTC) If he doesn't pick it up from the user talk page, you could use "E-mail this user". - David Biddulph (talk) 16:21, 2 February 2012 (UTC) The advice in WP:CURATOR is "When in doubt, first suggest the addition of the link on the talk page of the article, or discuss the addition with an appropriate WikiProject". WP:GLAM may also be helpful. Gandalf61 (talk) 16:29, 2 February 2012 (UTC) The block has been notched back to a causeblock rather than a spamblock; and several editors have offered them useful guidance in various places. I think we will be good. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:08, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

- And here is a conversation I had with the Acroterion and Dougweller: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Acroterion#Message_for_Acroterion Peace Palace Library links Glad you put it back. I restored the other 3. This is a tricky one, they look like the sort of links we really want, but how do we advise the editor? Dougweller (talk) 16:11, 2 February 2012 (UTC) Yeah, when I looked at it it seemed to be relevant and valuable, sort of the exception that proves the rule. I'd advise the editor (who needs a rename) to be judicious in placing the links where they'd do the most good. This kind of thing makes me more irritated at true spammers who make us predisposed to revert useful links that might be spam. Acroterion (talk) 16:16, 2 February 2012 (UTC) I've emailed Sue Gardner (our CEO if you've forgotten). We need to show some support for this library's efforts. Dougweller (talk) 16:28, 2 February 2012 (UTC) Yeah, this seems like a GLAM outreach opportunity as our PR folks would say (GLAM seems like it should represent something from a John Waters movie, but maybe I'm mistaken). If I don't hear back from OM in a while I'll modify the block to take away the autoblock/ACB. Acroterion (talk) 16:36, 2 February 2012 (UTC) Already done. Believe me, Bas, we do genuinely encourage participation from "galleries, libraries, archives and museums" (GLAM); but dealing with the Magic Firehose of Sewage (the efforts of spammers and self-promoters in general) has made us admins somewhat cynical and predisposed to stop the link addition first. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:59, 2 February 2012 (UTC) a Quaker and predisposed to favor all efforts toward peace Thanks Mike. As we all know, unfortunately 99 out of 100 cases turn out to be folks trying to spam us, which is particularly disappointing when we find someone who isn't. Acroterion (talk) 17:02, 2 February 2012 (UTC) Thank you both for helping me with this, a few years ago I had the same issue but couldn't solve the problem then. I created a new account (had to change ip address first), it's called Andoornborg. I will prepare a list of research guides tomorrow, can I place that list over here? Thanks again! Regards, Bas Otting (Andoornborg). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andoornborg (talk • contribs) 16:53, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

GLAM
I've solicited some help at the GLAM project, but I'm not sure if there will be a timely response. Hang on, I haven't forgotten about you and I'll see what else might be done to assist you in placing appropriate links. I'll see what I can do as an individual as well.  Acroterion   (talk)   15:54, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

I started to add one link every day but that will take me about two months. If it could go any faster then that would be very welcome. Thanks again!


 * Sorry for the delay on this, on both counts. Your email to GLAM caught us when we were in the midst of running an event (still, no excuse!) and I'm just now catching up on this on-wiki. I've been told that you've been connected with User:Multichill who has assisted with everything, but I was still wanting to follow up and make sure that everything's going along as you need it to. Please do confirm that you've received the proper help. I want to make sure this doesn't fall through the cracks. Thanks so much. LoriLee (talk) 22:08, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. Unfortunately I have not heard anything yet about how to add the links. As I said to Acroterion, I am adding one link every day, any help on how to do this a bit faster would be very welcome. Thanks in advance. User:Andoornborg