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History of cities and towns during the Syrian Civil War
Hi, I added underconstruction to History of cities and towns during the Syrian Civil War. Please remove it, and your own text line which says the same thing, when you have finished splitting the page.

Also, please tag these use pages with db-author if you do not want them any more. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:50, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
 * User:Andr%C3%A9437/Syrian_civil_war_2011_-_cities_and_towns_-_history
 * User:André437/Cities_and_Towns
 * I have blanked those for now as you no longer appear to be working on them. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:54, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Talkback
Jackmcbarn (talk) 18:20, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Quarter Circle Concentric Circle Icon
Hi Andre, I just wanted to let you know that an idea you raised months ago on the talk page of the Syrian Civil War Map is being discussed. You raised the idea of making quarter concentric circles to better represent locations that were under military pressure from one side, rather than being besieged. Currently the full concentric circle is being used for a location being under pressure from one side, and being besieged. The current system has created much confusion and sometimes acrimonious debate on the talk page of the map. Would you be able and interested in making icons like that? Hulahoop122 (talk) 20:38, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Module sandboxes
Module sandboxes should always be located at the /sandbox subpage of the main module, never at /test=global. Jackmcbarn (talk) 20:45, 10 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know. I didn't know that applied to modules.
 * Note that I want a permanent test page, since I often have a few minutes to spare, and spending 15 minutes to set up new test page when I have 10 minutes free isn't very useful. As well, it would be useful for others trying tests.   (Another editor has already tried the new test page.)
 * With the template, I had a permanent test page which worked well, but not called or under "sandbox", since some documentation I read said that such pages can be automatically deleted.
 * Could you let me know if this test page risks being automatically deleted ? André437 (talk) 01:24, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Sandboxes are not at risk of being deleted. If you find where you saw that they were, let me know so I can try to figure out why it says that. Jackmcbarn (talk) 01:28, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Very good to know. It is something I read on WP quite a while back, and put in my notes on WP.  It has probably already been corrected.
 * Thanks for the quick response :) André437 (talk) 01:33, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

New icon for Al-Nusra
I have to ask you? You can make new icon of medium grey color for the Front Al Nusra. For this module Syrian Civil War detailed map Hanibal911 (talk) 12:43, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Forgive what I may be bothering you but you promised to make a new icon for Front Al Nusra. Hanibal911 (talk) 11:47, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Icon for Qalamoun area.
All of towns and villages in Qalamoun area now under control by army but we now that rebels still present in mountain area near Lebanese border and we put green semicircle near some the villages in this area. But this is not really correct decision and with this decision not agree some of editors. So maybe you can create a icon for that would show that in this region the rebels are still present. Hanibal911 (talk) 19:29, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Map
Thanks for your note.

I have already pinged Jack for advice, over at WP:VP(T). I realise that a lot of work has gone into this map, but it is not without problems that need to be resolved. You will see a small change I made to the sandbox, which decreased the module size by 16k, and may also speed up the rendering time and improve the size of the rendered page. Please have a look at this and see if it is useful. Please look also at the Village Pump thread I linked to to see how this is causing problems for tablet users, and how the map sometimes crashes.

I really think that this massive map is not the way to go, at least not as it stands. As more and more villages and towns are added the map and article will become larger, and will exceed MediaWiki's various limits.

If the article were divided by governorate, for example, there would be nothing to prevent linking between the articles, and it would pre-empt the point at which the page would again fail to render routinely.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 22:20, 9 December 2014 (UTC).


 * Hi Rich. I'm open to suggestions to improve the map, but please do any changes on the sandbox, preferably with related notes to me. (I'm probably the most technically oriented among the regular editors.)  I can implement them if they help.
 * Some changes I'd like to make are delayed by resistance from other editors, which I respect.
 * As for dividing by governorate, the only areas where that would not be highly disadvantageous for following the war are areas with relatively little activity and density of points, and thus offering little advantage.
 * Let's discuss other ideas on the Village pump with Jackmcbarn. Certain technical changes mentioned there would be a big plus, and Jackmcbarn would likely be able to implement them.  (With more time and privileges, I might be able to help as well.)
 * Regards :) André437 (talk) 14:20, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Conflict Reporter
Source Conflict Reporter this is biased pro opposition source and he is not neutral source. And here confirmation of my words:
 * The #Assad #terror regime also killed men,women and children in #Idlib today.Conflict Reporter
 * The worst terrorist #Assad keeps on destroying the Syrian capital #DamascusConflict Reporter You of course me sorry but those messages is clearly not from neutral source. Hanibal911 (talk) 10:33, 23 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I was referring to his geolocation maps, which come with link(s) to the justifying video(s). It is fairly easy to verify the concordance between his maps and the original video posted on line.  Evidently it is a lot more difficult to do the analysis to arrive at his conclusions, than to simply confirm them.
 * Note that I have seen mostly his retweeted geolocation maps. But I'm not surprised that he would prefer that the regime loose power.  Due largely to its' atrocious human rights record, it has little support internationally.  Mainly Iran, Russia, Venezuela, and North Korea.  Well known defenders of human rights, don't you think ?
 * The question should always be : is the specific information posted reliable or not ? And on what basis ?
 * If we don't approach each report with that in mind, we are missing the point.
 * BTW, I find it incredible that unannotated maps are readily accepted, but the objectivity of SOHR, which readily reports advances and retreats of all sides, is somehow questioned. All for occasional lapses of neutral language, if not the independence flag posted on his site.  Note that the current official Syrian flag is that imposed by the Bathists after they took power by coup d'état.  I presume it was to align with the similar Egyptian flag for the union with them, which only lasted a short time.  So the regime flag is no more legitimate than the independence flag, which had the merit of being supported by the last democratic government.
 * We also always ask : is the information sufficient to support the proposed change. On that point, it is easy to see that SOHR reports often don't meet this condition for changing control status, since their focus is on human rights, not control of territory.  As well, not being a regime ally, they have less direct information on the regime side.  The rebels are so fragmented, with a lot of independent local observers, that it is much easier to have diverse sources from their side.
 * But remember, this question should be asked for all reports, no matter how reliable the source is considered.
 * I firmly believe that unannotated maps should never be accepted as a basis for changing our map. They could be used in support of other sources (not other unannotated maps) considered likely to be reliable.  But never alone.
 * Note that I have a preference for closely analyzing every report before changing the map. I realize that you tend to analyze much more than most editors here, which is good.  But what I find lacking, generally among editors, is considering the key factor : is the information provided sufficient ? (Tradedia, the creator of our map, recently made a long post on essentially this same point.)
 * Regards André437 (talk) 19:48, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Further thoughts on your remarks about conflict reporter :
 * If every source that acknowledges the Assad regime's deliberate killing of women and children is considered biased against the regime, then the UN and almost every country is, including Russia (according to their UN security council vote). If every source that acknowledges the terrorist actions of the regime is considered biased, then again this includes the UN, as well as most countries (according to a UN general assembly vote).  So the world is "biased" against the regime.  Just maybe it has something to do with its' "systematic violation of basic human rights and war crimes" ?
 * It might be better to consider the objectivity of the reporting, rather than the preferred outcome. (This is the essence of WP policy.)
 * It is an obvious contradiction to support basic human rights (as most would claim to do) and prefer that the Assad regime stays in power. André437 (talk) 22:18, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
 * It is biased antigovernment source which clear oppose to Syrian government and on 100% supported of rebels. So dont need that this source is neutral or reliable. So let's no longer going to raise this issue. Also when some sources called rebels as terrorist we say that this sources pro government. But when the source said that the Syrian government it is terrorist regime of Assad or worst terrorist regime we should regard it as neutral and reliable. So let's not talk nonsense because Conflict Reporter it is a pro opposition source and it is long been recognized. Hanibal911 (talk) 22:41, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Icon
We need a new color for the Al Nusra icon on the Syrian Civil war map, per discussion here, the color should be this one, but I'm not an designer so I can't say how much of a difference would it be on the map, if you think the colors are to similiar, you can make the new color a bit darker or "greenier" whatever, cheers. DuckZz (talk) 09:29, 29 December 2014 (UTC)


 * The favorite green colour, a sort of greyish green (or greenish grey, depending on your point of view), sounds pretty good to me. I had already suggested maybe making a greenish grey when I created al-Nusra colours, in response to one objection to pure grey, but no-one supported the idea at the time.
 * Pure grey does have the disadvantage of being too close to grey border colours, something I hadn't considered.
 * More on the map discussion page.
 * BTW, could you sign your messages here, like for the map discussion page ? (~) .  Thanks André437 (talk) 02:16, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Editor
Can you give your opinion on this.here.Lindi29 (talk) 15:57, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Done. Too many kamikaze editors. Hope that helps :) André437 (talk) 17:05, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you :) .That editor acc is reported for breaking many rules.Thanks again if you need anything dont hesitate to ask.Regard :) Lindi29 (talk) 17:16, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

New and modified icons, dec 2014 .. feb 2015
Finished with the JAN icon ? DuckZz (talk) 22:26, 10 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reminder. It is made (actually several options), but I have yet to import it and a lot of other related icons.  Will get on it in the next day or so ... André437 (talk) 01:33, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

OK, here are some new icons : new Nusra icon - various options. These contrast better with the grey borders. ... final name :

stable mixed control icons = could be opposed or allies, as long as each has some control This avoids using several icons for mixed control (thus easier to maintain and displays faster). It is also less ambiguous. mixed with regime and one other ... final names : others mixed with rebels (moderate+islamic) and one other ... final names : others mixed with one other ... final names : some mixed 3 way ... final names :

truce icons - 2 examples, others could be made as needed. This has the same advantages as the mixed control icons above. ( currently uses same 3 icons as for stable mixed control regime-rebels ) usual truce, only rebels inside, regime outside ... final name : truce where regime controls part ( was violet ring, now purple for more contrast ) ... final name :

hill control icons - gives cleaner display a typical mountain peak icon. ... final names :

André437 (talk) 14:27, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * various modifications André437 (talk) 15:03, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

X. X. X. X ... maybe right angle X for checkpoints ? (icons not yet made, yellow would have border)


 * I'm summarizing feedback with underlined comments above. You can add more feedback below, or on the main talk page.  Thanks :) André437 (talk) 11:16, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks :)
 * Do you have a preference for a new Nusra icon ?
 * Also what do you think of the potential hill icons ?
 * As for the others, I take it that you appreciate them as they are. André437 (talk) 19:28, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

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URGENT! Turkish military intervention inside Syria
The Turkish military has shot at ISIS, and ISIS has fired back! Here are the reports: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/turkish-soldier-killed-isis-violence-syria-spills-across-border-n397191

If there is a full military invasion of part of Syria by Turkey, you must make icons for the Turkish army to show them on the map. I think this is the location dot color that should be used for Turkey, as the Maroon color is too indistinguishable from the black used for ISIS: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Location_dot_green.svg which looks like Location dot green.svg

You need to create animation icons between this color and ISIS, and this color and Kurds, as it is somewhat likely that they will clash in Syria. Do you know how to make these icons and upload them? Do you know someone else who can do this? Pbfreespace3 (talk) 19:37, 23 July 2015 (UTC)


 * First, I can create all new icons quickly, and don't know offhand anyone else who can.
 * As for the maroon colour (420000h, a very dark red) suggested by another user, I agree that it is likely to be confused with the black used for ISIS. Particularly with those with the DEL screens found on portables, which displays darker colours not viewed at a 90° angle.
 * However the green you suggest ("green", close to 009900h) is likely to be confused with the pure green (00ff00h) used for the rebels.
 * I would suggest a colour like 997700h (orangish brown) or 998800h (somewhat greenish brown), neither of which is close to another colour already used, and are composed of the red and green of the above 2 colours. As far as I'm concerned, any colour which contrasts with existing colours and doesn't cause confusion would be fine.  Another option is cc9900h, a moderately light caramel brown.
 * So I suggest a little more discussion on the colour ...
 * In a passing note, I don't see a Turkish occupation of Syrian territory in the immediate future; so far it seems to be essentially border clashes. But it doesn't hurt to be prepared. André437 (talk) 02:35, 24 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I think that there is enough of a difference between the darker green and the lime green, and Turkey openly supports the Syrian rebels, which is why I thought it would be the ideal color. If you want to, you can darken the green or slightly tint it to make more distinguishable, but I think that Location dot lime.svg and Location dot green.svg are far enough apart. If not, then 998800h is preferable. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 02:55, 24 July 2015 (UTC)


 * André437 Turkey has bombed multiple PKK targets in northern Iraq and southeastern Turkey, and an invasion of Kurdish and/or ISIS-held areas in Syria seems very likely now. It would be great if you finished those icons; we might need them very soon. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 01:03, 25 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Turkey has called for a "safe zone" in northern Syria to be filled with FSA fighters. It said this in the state newspaper: http://www.dailysabah.com/columns/ibrahim-kalin/2015/07/25/isis-pkk-and-the-uses-of-terrorism
 * André437 Now would be a good time to respond about those icons. There is a need for a Turkey-Kurd contested icon and a Turkey-ISIL icon. Sorry to keep pestering you about this, but this is important. If Turkey invades suddenly, we will have no good icons to show it. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 18:54, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Sorry to keep bothering you, but we might need those icons soon: https://twitter.com/cahitstorm/status/630504685267480576 https://twitter.com/rConflictNews/status/630476939921387520

Turkish Insurgency Detailed Map Icons
Progress has been slow but steady on the Turkish Insurgency Detailed Map, but we have a new problem. The icon I was planning to use for Turkey did not display correctly at some sizes, but did at others. I believe this is because of an rendering issue inherent in the icon file itself. If you could find this issue and resolve it, I would be very thankful, as we intend to use this color for all Turkish-controlled villages on the map. The reason why we need this particular color is because of 2 reasons: 1, the lime color currently used is the same as the Syrian rebels and confusing; 2, the lime color is too light to be seen well on the map, and is too close to yellow. This is why we need the dark green color as soon as possible. Once you have completed this, I would also appreciate it if you made contested green-yellow icons as well. Thank you.Pbfreespace3 (talk) 22:02, 19 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Very willing to help with the icons, but I've actually tested the darker green with light green when dark green was being proposed for Nusra. With certain smaller icons (such as circles/semi-circles) they appear almost identical.  But if you are still ok with the 998800h colour, I'll make them right after seeing your OK.
 * I just have to modify the colour of my current icons, and test them. They'll be ready just an hour or so after I start.  Maybe a bit longer if you want all the conflict icons.
 * The .svg icons are hand-coded, to display faster and cleaner than most overly complex icons generated by various programs.
 * You may not have noticed, but my light green and yellow circles are slightly darker colours, to be more visible.
 * Surprising the events in Turkey, but Erdogan was playing a dangerous game. (Politically stupid in my mind as well.  He is going to alienate an important part of the non-kurdish electorate.)
 * With the events in Turkey I think less than likely to see Turkish troops in Syria, although Turkish aviation and artillery can project 40 km into Syria without crossing the border, enough to support well armed rebels. But who knows, with Erdogan's demonstrated lack of judgement.
 * Respond with, and I'll be notified by email. Thanks :) André437 (talk) 00:55, 21 August 2015 (UTC)


 * BTW, your progress on the Turkish map is impressive. If you are certain that Turkish troops won't enter Syria, dark green could work, but I would still prefer a colour like 998800h as it is certain to be ok in such an event.  Or even 999900h, a yellowish green.
 * Another suggestion : use a 3x3 grid instead of 4x4 for rural presence. It is easier to identify, especially at small sizes. André437 (talk) 02:48, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

André437 This color: http://www.colorhexa.com/998800 doesn't really seem to fit with Turkey in my mind. Let me explain to you my reasoning. Over the course of the Syrian civil war, Turkey has been incredibly supportive of the Syrian rebels, supplying them with money and weapons and supplies. They have been very anti regime, but also very anti-kurd. This is why I think that the dark green color would best represent Turkey, because it is currently ruled by a Sunni Islamist government that is supportive of the rebels, which are marked in lime color. If Turkey were to ever invade Syria, we could just use the dark green color to indicate this. The teal color, which is already a location Dot, could also work. But I think that the color that you chose is too yellow and will be too easily confused with the Kurds. For now, I think we should just stick with the dark green color that already exists, and use that unless a new situation arises.

Also, to be perfectly honest with you, if Turkey ever invaded part of Syria, like the part that is held by ISIS or the Syrian government, the rebels would be practically fighting alongside Turkish troops, so a green color wouldn't make that much of a difference. Do you understand what I mean?

Pbfreespace3 (talk) 11:38, 21 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi . I see your point about #998800 being too yellow, and appreciate that you want some sort of green.  However it seems to me better to have a strong contrast with the lime green, so small icons it won't be confusing on DEL screens.  The medium green you are suggesting (about #008800) is just a darker pure green.  (DEL screens often show colours much darker if viewed at an angle other than 90°.)
 * Your reference site says the closest "websafe" colour is #999900, which would work very nicely (in my view) as well. Websafe probably means displayable unchanged on virtually all websites.  All sites can display base levels 00(none) 33 66 99 cc ff(lightest) for each of the 3 colours red/green/blue.  All these colours can also be represented in 3 figures, such as #990 for #999900.  I'll use the abbreviated form below, for ease of comparison.
 * BTW, all 3 colours (#980, #990, and #890) are common military greens, which fits well for Turkey, which has the only really professional military which has put troops on the ground in Syria. (2 Interventions related to the Suleyman tomb.)  (To me the Syrian gov't military is anything but "professional".)
 * If you want darker colours, we can reduce each digit by 1 or 2.
 * So would you go for #990 (darker #880, #770) or #890 (darker #780, #670) ?
 * Regards André437 (talk) 03:34, 22 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I want the greenest, darkest one possible that you still like. I'm still not sure which one is which, since I am new to the internet coloring system, but something like this https://www.colorcodehex.com/799900/ would be good. Pick one and make the icons, please. I think we'll be fine. Thank you! Pbfreespace3 (talk) 18:34, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I just want to add that i agree with Pbfreespace3 - we need a dark green for Turkey to best present it in the future combined Mid-East war map. Thank you in advance.GreyShark (dibra) 22:00, 22 August 2015 (UTC)


 * OK The #799900 is extremely close to #779900 (= #790), which is distinct enough.  However it is still a fairly light colour, so I'll do the darker version #680 (= #668800).  The icons should be ready sometime Sunday.
 * I like the idea of a future combined Mid-East war map. Maybe with the events with the kurds in Iran, we should start thinking of a colour for Iran ;) André437 (talk) 07:34, 23 August 2015 (UTC)


 * GreyShark André437 I would absolutely love a map of the entire middle-east, including Libya, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Turkey, and Yemen. If we were to ever accomplish such a monumental undertaking, we would need to have a singular color scheme, which would really only make sense if it was colored based on religious affiliation.


 * My personal opinion for ALL maps showing the middle-east conflicts is this: Shia governments (Iran, Iraq, Syria): Location dot red.svg, Shia non-government groups (Hezbollah, Houthis): Location dot magenta.svg, Sunni government groups (Turkey, Yemeni Hadi, maybe Libya): Location_dot_green.svg, Sunni non-government groups (Syrian Rebels): Location dot lime.svg, al-Qaeda/related groups: Location dot grey.svg, Jabhat al-Nusra: Map-dot-grey-68a.svg, Islamic State: Location dot black.svg, mixed governments (such as Lebanon): Location dot blue.svg, Kurds: Dot yellow ff4.svg. I think this is the most common-sense scheme when trying to show the relationships between groups.


 * Also important is this: Do we need a different color for PKK/Kurds in Turkey? I'm not sure, as Peshmerga and YPG are shown as the same color on the Syria-Iraqi map. I'm, leaning no. They should all be the same yellow color. Anyway. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 16:33, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Just a small correction - Libya is not in the Middle East (West Asia). Libya is in North Africa, which is big enough to have a combined map of its own.GreyShark (dibra) 18:26, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * And concerning Sunni governments, i would separate them to Sunni members of Arab League and Turkey. Lebanon government is a weird creature in the region (mixed), but looking at what is happening in Lebanon those days - we might soon find it gone.GreyShark (dibra) 18:28, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * GreyShark Yeah, what's happening in Lebanon is shocking. Lebanon isn't some third-world country like Syria and Iraq. It's closer to Israel than Syria. Amazing. I actually marked the protest on the map, because there are clashes in Beirut, and the Lebanese Army is currently being deployed to surround and clear the capitol. Shocking, and I and most of us will watch this situation closely, but there could be a Syria-style revolt, starting in the cities, then spreading through the countryside. I think this all depends on who Hezbollah sides with. The government is OK with Hezbollah now, but if it joins the protesters, there could be a full rebellion and overthrow. Crazy.

Blue icons
Hello Andre, if you have some time - i would really appreciate if you create blue icons for airbase (like ) and military base (like ). Thanks!GreyShark (dibra) 22:00, 22 August 2015 (UTC)


 * OK, after I make the green icons for Turkey :) André437 (talk) 07:36, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Many thanksGreyShark (dibra) 09:52, 23 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I am pretty sure those already exist, GreyShark. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 01:54, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

these icons will be needed in case of a Druzi Uprising in Suwaydaa.Alhanuty (talk) 17:43, 24 August 2015 (UTC) we need a shared red and blue icon,especially after the latest developments in Suwaydaa.Alhanuty (talk) 12:07, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

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