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Fine Arts, Wikipedia, and Conflicts of Interest
Hello and welcome to Wikipedia! If your username means what I assume it means, then you are probably a representative for Pippy Houldsworth Gallery in London. First off, your gallery is wonderful, you have a great roster and represent some really innovative artists doing important stuff.

But, in the context of Wikipedia, it is not appropriate for you to edit articles about any of these artists. If you are a representative for Houldsworth, editing articles about artists you represent would be a conflict of interest, as explained by an editor in the reply above mine. Your gallery has a financial interest in the scholarship and popularity of these artists.

I understand how that statement can sound to folks in the art world: it probably feels like a moral sin to talk about artists and profit in that way. It did to me at first when I began editing here. But Wikipedia has clear rules about what constitutes a conflict of interest; you can find much more info on the COI page (again, linked by the previous editor). I would just recommend that if you see extremely incorrect information in an article about an artist you represent, you should go to the article's Talk page and flag the issues for other editors, with reliable sources to confirm what you're saying.

And, as is certainly possible here: if you are simply an intern, gallery attendant, or other front-line staffer who has been tasked by your art-world boss (an often unforgiving type of employer) with updating these types of pages, please refer your boss to this helpful essay providing context on why this is not a good idea: When your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia 19h00s (talk) 13:57, 22 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi 1900s,
 * Thank you for your quick reply and detailed reasoning, I completely understand why!
 * I wanted to ask how one would usually update an artist's history in a way that isn't a conflict of interest - such as objectively updating the exhibition list for example (without any subjective phrasing).
 * I can see that her other gallery "Fridman" have their exhibition listed from 2021, so I simply wanted to add to this and update the list of exhibitions of the artist for historical purposes. If an artist's exhibition history cannot be updated then how can the information on an artist's Wikipedia page ever progress?
 * Best regards,
 * Andre HouldsworthGallery (talk) 14:16, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Totally understand what you were aiming for, that makes complete sense. I apologize if this is too much detail, but to fully answer your question requires a bit of context/background.
 * Wikipedia is not meant to be a complete archive about every piece of information on every notable person or subject. Details included on Wikipedia are supposed to be notable. In the context of fine arts, that means that a notable artist may deserve inclusion on Wikipedia by virtue of their popularity, public acclaim, or financial/critical successes, but not every detail about that person deserves inclusion. There are several schools of thought on this issue (feel free to read more here, Wikipedia has been around long enough now that there are named "philosophies" on different approaches to including information).
 * But when it comes to artists, this is supposed to mean that artist biographies do not need comprehensive lists of exhibitions. The Wikipedia Manual of Style for Visual Arts explicitly notes that long lists of exhibitions are to be avoided in biographies. There are only rare cases where this is not followed, generally the artists that are inarguably the most broadly accepted as the most notable of their time/all time. Even then, articles for artists like Picasso, Titian, or Rembrandt do not include such detailed lists.
 * However, with this being a free, open-to-anyone encyclopedia, that guideline - and other policies - are often not followed. So you get editors creating exhaustive, unhelpful lists of detailed information that is not really useful for the average reader, which at the end of the day is what Wikipedia is designed to be for. Wikipedia isn't meant to be a substitute for an academic monograph on a subject or a commercially oriented resumé/CV of a subject. In recent years, better monitoring tools have been developed to help stop these kinds of edits before they get too exhaustive; your edit on this article was probably flagged for both the conflict of interest, and because adding this type of detail can trigger some flags for monitoring tools that other editors use. But articles developed long ago - or those that have flown under the radar of more experienced editors - can develop into long, exhaustive lists over time. So, generally, experienced editors are quick to stop these kinds of additions, especially when the information is not sourced via a notable review or coverage in a notable, reliable publication.
 * When your edit was reverted, someone actually edited down the McCannon article to take out the exhaustive list of exhibitions. That kind of paring down is a long-term project of a number of arts-interested editors who are trying to bring artist bios back into line with Wikipedia's Manual of Style and sourcing guidelines. And because you, as an editor with a conflict of interest (again, not a judgement, just an analysis based on Wikipedia's guidelines), were adding information about an exhibition that directly relates to your gallery, the edit doesn't really belong. Even if it is a notable exhibition both generally and in the context of McCannon's career, I think the only action I would recommend you take is to flag one or several notable, reliable publications that specifically mention the fact that the exhibition happened and was her first European exhibition, and even a review or two to prove it was a notable exhibition. You could do this on the Talk page for the article, or follow the rules laid out in the Conflict of Interest article to make an "edit request."
 * Finally, and I think this is very important to say. I am trying to be really kind and giving here, because I know how galleries work and understand that art-world-speak and Wikipedia-speak often clash intensely because they operate with different linguistic tools. But other editors on Wikipedia are not likely to be nearly as kind, because they will not view your editing through the lens of arts scholarship, but rather through the lens of paid editing (which, to be clear: if you are employed by Houldsworth, even if you don't get paid, you are considered a paid editor if you are making these kinds of edits as part of your job). This is important to note because, as I think this explanation shows, editing here is way more complicated than most people imagine when they first try their hand at it. And other editors will not be likely to help you understand the processes thoroughly and with nuance if they know you have a direct conflict of interest as a paid editor; they will expect you to do that work and research yourself.
 * I hope this is a helpful background. I would just honestly recommend not editing as it relates to Houldsworth artists; stick to flagging errors and notable reviews/updates via article Talk pages. 19h00s (talk) 14:59, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your feedback, I suppose it's not an area I am used to and see things in a different lens as you mentioned - I will refrain from editing moving forward. HouldsworthGallery (talk) 16:55, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Of course, happy to help. I care about art and artists a lot, and I've seen galleries get burned before because they didn't really recognize the broader nuance of what it means to edit on here as a party with a financial interest in the subject. But I absolutely meant what I said about Houldsworth, y'all have a great program. You rep Qualeasha Wood and that alone is enough to bring a smile to my face, to say nothing of McCannon, who in my personal view should be as close to a household name as any Serra, Ringgold, or Holzer :)
 * Enjoy the rest of your week! 19h00s (talk) 17:23, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

February 2024
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Thank you. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 16:03, 22 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Per your rename request, I have renamed you to "AndrePHG" and have unblocked this account. Thanks, — k6ka  🍁 ( Talk ·  Contributions ) 00:42, 23 February 2024 (UTC)