User talk:Andreasegde/Archive 2

Football update... dot.. dot.. dit.. dit..
Plymouth 1 Leeds 2 Liverpool 1 Man City 0 Vera, Chuck & Dave 17:12, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I told yer, try not to worry, that little fecker Wise knows ev'ry trick in the book, he also knows a lot of very influential people in the game - wait til he starts calling in favours, and watch the loan signings he makes, there's no way he'll let you go down, he goes mental if he loses a game of ludo! Is it hard for you to get the results where you are? If it is I'll post em through for you OK? Take care La, Love Collette xx, Poppy xxxx, Sammie xxxxxx & Vera, Chuck & Dave 19:18, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Jessssssus! That's Spooky! How did you know I was on your page? I'll have a look! Vera, Chuck & Dave

No not messy, maybe "sparse" in comparision to the rest of the article? Vera, Chuck & Dave 19:22, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Closing Down
Take a look at Kingboyk's talk page. One of the main contributors of the Beatles Wikiproject has suggested closing it down - thought you should know. LuciferMorgan 16:22, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Troubles
And now his ex is accusing him of taking illegal drugs. You have to feel sorry for him, all that money isnt worth that level of fame, SqueakBox

Macca
Yes, I know, I am lazy. Please fix it and I will make it worth your while. ★ MESSED ROCKER ★  01:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * No - You do it. Put the relevant bits back and write a summary. We all work together on the Macca page, and it's a great/new experience for us all. Join us, and make a contribution (you will be very welcome) but don't forget that we do it together. --andreasegde 01:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Birthdays
8th of December is special. It's the day John Lennon died. It's one day before my Grandad's birthday and 10 days before my brother's AND Stone Cold Steve Austin's (my brother is not Stone Cold Steve Austin). I'm fine, but my internet access is a bit limited at the moment. Still contributing as and when I can. Heard The Beatles new CD?--Crestville 10:20, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Me lions are guarded!
GA deffo, GREAT WORK! And well done for outing the bubble gum card nonsense - who the hell is Wired Yank Wankowitz anyway? Cheers La, Vera, Chuck &amp; Dave 17:14, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Status
To be honest I'm sick of waiting for the GA people to get around to reviewing it, and wish to plump for FAC if it meets FA criteria. I have't read anything which says you can't nominate for GAC and FAC, so let's go for it.

The only part I'm worried about is 1. a. which asks for compelling prose, something which one or two editors may seize upon if it isn't met. Also, a lot of work is required during FAC - editors make demands etc. Check WP:WIAFA, and if you feel it meets all of the criteria and are willing to face the wrath of FAC reviewers who'll make petty criticisms and expect you to rectify them feel free to nominate.

(PS - During FAC some editors may make edits you disagree with)

LuciferMorgan 01:15, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not worried about what other editors think - maybe they can improve it. Wiki is as it is.... I'm not sure about going for an FA at the same time, because it will confuse some reviewers. --andreasegde 22:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Clock Macca's talk page our kid! Vera, Chuck &amp; Dave 05:38, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Congratulations on the GA!
 * FAC is next but I'd like to be sure the prose is brilliant and we've ticked everything off the todo list first. Let's make it a no-brainer FA nomination (which involves more than just lots of citations :)) --kingboyk 14:27, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes the prose is something I mentioned above - as you know Kingboyk, there's a few editors at FAC who check the prose like hawks. LuciferMorgan 21:37, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Can we point out the sections where the prose needs tweaking? --andreasegde 22:15, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * (2nd attempt at replying, as my computer keeps freezing up necessitating a reboot... sigh : I can't say for certain because I haven't read the article in it's entirety for a while due to being busy. What I can say with certainty though is that any article, especially a long one like this, will need a copyedit regardless of who wrote it. I'm not a particularly brilliant copyeditor but as the material is so good to start with I'm sure I can help, and then the real high quality folks (like Tony) will no doubt chip in with complaints and suggestions when it's at FAC. An important ingredient in the success of the KLF articles has been User:Vinoir and myself having each other to copyedit the other's contributions so, yes, it will certainly benefit from that.
 * I'm also keen to ensure we don't give undue prominence to trivial matters and give due prominence to important details (such as conveying just how important and influential The Beatles were and McCartney's role in that). I also want to check that everything is adequately referenced, that we aren't just retelling Barry Miles' account of Macca, and that the todo list is complete.
 * I'm starting work on Monday (on nights) but I'll try to do my bit during this week as it seems we're at the cleaning and checking stage now. Perhaps we can have an FA star as a Christmas present if we get it onto FAC by next week? :) --kingboyk 14:38, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me. I'll go through it again, and look for any "tweaks" that are needed. --andreasegde 14:40, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Blank Macca
Can you explain this edit?! I'm trying to work out why this page was completely blanked out! Cheers! Budgiekiller 22:55, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

You deserve more than a beer!
99% down to you my friend! I admire your humility, be very proud of yourself! The Firebobby

Reverting and looking at old revisions
Hi Andrew, Reverting to an old revision is really easy. Click History and you'll see all the old revisions. Find the revision you want to revert to and click on the date/time of that revision. That will load the old page. Then click "edit this page". You'll see the following warning:
 * You are editing a prior version of this page. If you save it, any changes made since this version will be removed.

Just type "rv" (meaning "revert") into the edit summary and hit "save page".

In the history list you can also compare versions to see what has changed. Just click the circular checkboxes next to the two revisions you want to compare and and press "compare selected versions". For example, this is the edits you've made today since my revert.

I also recommend you install popups. In addition to aiding reversion they give you features like hover the mouse over a wikilink and see a preview of the article which is linked to. They are really great and I thoroughly recommend installing them.

Hope that helps! --kingboyk 14:43, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It blinking well does. I didn't know about "rv" thingy. Blow me down... --andreasegde 15:08, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Macca
Alright Sean? (lol) Right la, Wingspan Lewisohn, PAGE 21. He & Linda had taken so many photos that he couldn't decide, the picture was chosen by David Putnam. Leeds 2 Barnsley 2. You were 2-0 down at one stage! Cheers, Vera, Chuck &amp; Dave 17:13, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Who is this "Sean de Garde"? :) I can't talk about the footie result, because I'm imagining telling people that I'm not from Leeds in the future. (Third division next year? Do me a lemon...) Thanks for the ref, BTW. --andreasegde 17:27, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Did you know someone has stuck a piccy of Zimbo & St Joan in the article "not from Leeds Person"? Vera, Chuck &amp; Dave 17:33, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It was me. I took it out. (Ouch!...) --andreasegde 19:05, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Re FA - I don't know, to be honest. It isn't a part of Wiki that interests me, (the need for references and citations, standards of language, etc.) - I just edit for spelling and grammar generally, and try to limit vandalism. I do appreciate the work required to take an article to FA, and think it a worthy task; I just don't care for the process. I suggest you take a look at the reasons why it failed last time, and see if the criteria has been satisfied. If the view is that it has, then it should be re-submitted.LessHeard vanU 21:18, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * If we're talking Macca, I don't think it's ever been submitted before. It'll pass when it's ready. It isn't ready yet - needs a final polish by somebody who isn't the final author, a check that everything is referenced etc., basically what I've written elsewhere here or on the article talk page - but it will pass I'm pretty sure. I can't see why it wouldn't... although I suppose we'll have to take another look at article size... 140kb. OK, that could be an issue, but hopefully we'll chop 10k or so off when copyediting... --kingboyk 02:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * My mistake, it was a GA it previously failed on. I would suggest that whoever gives it a final polish should already have taken an article to FA, so they know what is required, and not have been a major contributor previously - so to see it with fresh eyes. We will have to enquire of colleagues from other articles. I will gladly give the article a quick SPAG (spelling and grammar) check, if wanted. LessHeard vanU 13:55, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm done for this evening; I will give it another bash tomorrow - dishwashers don't load themselves (an obvious design fault, IMO)!LessHeard vanU 23:05, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * At least yours works! Ours broke down recently :( Totally agree about a fresh set of eyes. I can spare 45 mins or so tonight and will have a look at it, but if a good editor who knows FA and hasn't touched the article could be recruited it would be great. Perhaps Lucifer Morgan can think of someone? --kingboyk 19:14, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Dishwasher? They didn't have dishwashers in my day, tha' knows. Well, they did, but it was called "Mam". I still don't have one, but mine is called "me". :) --andreasegde 20:03, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Constant co-operation
If we keep our heads, and keep working together, it will create a new standard of co-operation. It's not a question about if one article gets an FA, but a step forward to what Wikipedia should be. (No - I'm not a politician) --andreasegde 19:53, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Love
I've seen some really positive stuff for the new Beatles one. The Gallagher's don't like it though. One of the tracks I've heard is Within Without You to the drum beat of Tommorrow Never Knows. I's feirce. Are you an English ex-pat in Austria or are you an Austrian who moved to England and then back ot Austria? Just out of interest. I had fish and chips and a pint of Mild for the first time in ages on Saturday coz I live in Nottingham in the moment and it's hard to get a decent serving of either, but I was overjoyed.--Crestville 15:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry to chip in... I thought the "new" album would be ghastly, but I've heard a bit of it and quite liked it. A reasonably amusing diversion I suppose :) --kingboyk 19:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * You can always 'chip in', Kingboyk, as long as you bring some fish, scraps, and a newspaper with you... Uhhh... I could kill for "Once wi' scraps, please." --andreasegde 20:04, 5 December 2006 (UTC) And... Sarson's malt Vinegar, Mushy peas, and curry sauce. Whoops, I'm salivating... :)) --andreasegde 20:14, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Oooh, scraps, didn't have them. Irony is, the German Christmas market is in town so I'm eating a lot more bratwurst that fish and chips. Chip in anytime king. I haven't looked at the Macca page in ages but I'll get back to you on it.--Crestville 10:13, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Re: Macca - fuck me that's good. If that isnt' FA, I'll eat your hat.--Crestville 10:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Lol, Bugger off, Cresty; eat your own hat... :)) I forgot; Nottingham's 'Goose Fair'. The worst job in the world: The bloke that walks around with a mop and bucket and cleans up the puke (after 11 o'clock at night) around that whirly ride thingy... "Aye-up, duck"... :) BTW, Look for a thing called a "Bosner". --andreasegde 12:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

St George
Alright Our Kid? I see "Crestville of The Bailey" is a alive and well - GOOD STUFF!

You're very kind, but I think I'll leave it discreet, It was a "retalitory strike" (silly really) against the Yank trying to intimidate me with his MA or whatever, so it was just like: "'Av' Summa Dat Pal"! I guess I'll just have to get the wet fish treatment!!

BTW, the 'Pool are 1-0 up against Gallytitsawry! take good care, Vera, Chuck &amp; Dave 20:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Are eh, we went down 3-2! Still we'd won the group anyway! Sorry I wasn't being rude, but there was three crazed Chelsea "Females" runnin round the house like loonies! (they won 2-0) Two are now in bed (thank God!), an the "Boss" is just making me a cup of tea!

Right when are yer gonna believe me? Your'e not going down! Cheers, Kidda, Vera, Chuck &amp; Dave 22:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

How's the Article Coming Along?
How's the Paul McCartney article coming along? I'm usually hanging around FAR, but the Featured Article Director has felt compelled to lock horns with me over an article he has under review and now's threatened to block me! I'll reserve my opinion on that individual lest he use it as an excuse to block me.

Anyway, how long do you reckon before it'll be ready for FAC? LuciferMorgan 21:03, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm glad to hear it's going well. As concerns who nominates it, it's best it isn't me as the person who controls what passes / fails is the same person I've locked horns with! You, Kingboyk and LessHeardvanU seem to represent the whole Project right now, so kudos to you three. LuciferMorgan 23:28, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * You're in there with us as well. --andreasegde 06:36, 6 December 2006 (UTC) I really should sign off as this: --Andrew Edge 02:34, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Famous
The person that this page belongs to is the famous Sean de Garde! Vera, Chuck &amp; Dave 14:55, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * We were working on the anagram and it sounds more famous than Andrew Edge! Vera, Chuck &amp; Dave 15:01, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * "and yes folks, hereeeees  Sir Sean de Garde"! Vera, Chuck &amp; Dave 15:09, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I do rather think it suits me old boy, even if one does say so oneself, wot,wot... Cabbie, take me to my club in Mayfair, and don't spare the horses... --Sir Sean de Garde 15:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Spare a copper so the old woman can feed the nippers Guv? Vera, Chuck &amp; Dave 15:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Be off with you, you bally ruffian, or I'll set the dogs on you... --Sir Sean de Garde 15:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Lol! Hey Our Kid, there's just bin a newsflash (honest) we've just had a tornado in North London! Friggin 'ell! Vera, Chuck &amp; Dave 15:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Just looked at it on Google. Bloody 'ell... --Sir Sean de Garde 15:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Six people injured, the scuffers and my lads are all over the place! Looks like damage to houses and cars mostly -  thankfully. Vera, Chuck &amp; Dave 15:55, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * LOL! Yor Bonkers! Vera, Chuck &amp; Dave 19:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Happy Birthday Sir Sean de Garde!

Hope You Have A Reely Good One An Get Lotsaprezzies!

Love Collette XX, Poppy XXXXXX, Sammie XXXXXX and Tony (manly handshake)


 * Beggin your pardon me lud, but there's some "Foreign Johnny" on me page pretending to be you. I just thought I'd let you know, so you can give im a sound thrashing! Vera, Chuck &amp; Dave 11:42, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Was it really? Well lor lorks lummey, Blimey O'Reily, Pie & Mash, and blow me down wiv a Jellied Eel Guv! Cor, wot a card Sir!(and all other Cockney swine expressions) And you think you have to put up with the auld foreign lingo! See yer termorra La! Hope you had good time, take care, Vera, Chuck &amp; Dave 22:11, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Macca
I'll always keep an eye on the article considering the people involved - it's a salvation from the BS on Wikipedia. LuciferMorgan 00:31, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm just wondering if everyone still wants McCartney to be FA? Can someone rid of the "To do" list first before I nominate it (obviously you can keep an eye on the page and address their concerns). LuciferMorgan 20:05, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Flagythingys
Yeah, put a note - it might just deter em, they look fine on the footie articles but a bit silly on other pages. Saw The Gestapo Physio today, The Swine! Cheers La. Vera, Chuck &amp; Dave 20:39, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


 * They're putting em back as fast as I'm takin em out! What do you think of the project having a vote on if we want them on The Beatles articles? Cheers La, Vera, Chuck &amp; Dave 14:18, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Good idea.--Sir Sean de Garde 17:52, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Forking Hell
I dunno if I'm the one to pick a section - maybe look at how sections could be moved into their own article? If you just need to loose 1,000 words, however, what I do with coursework is to read through and see which little words could be lost - for example (and this is just something I've made up off of the top of my head), Paul McCartney was forced to pay $X to his one-legged ex-wife Heather Mills-MCartney could be cut down to MCartney paid $X to Mills-MCartney. In an article as long as this, it shouldn't be hard to loose 1,000 words by getting rid of exesses like and then instead of just then and because of instead of just because. Hope that helps. As a side note, I think he was lucky. In the olden days if you were robbed by someone with one leg, it would probably have been a pirate and you would be lucky to escape with your life. Moaning old scrote.--Crestville 15:17, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, he was a bit cheap by all accounts. Eric Morecambe bought his mum a nice place. She had a piano with a picture of Eric and one of Ernie on it coz she felt like they were both her sons.--Crestville 13:10, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Give Ireland Back to the Irish
Aright Sean? I dunno wot happened, but between the pair of us, we'd blanked most of the article! I've Rv to a previous version for now. Cheers La, Vera, Chuck &amp; Dave 18:46, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It seems alright now. It may have been a glitch in the server. Sometimes I sign in and it asks me to sign in again. --Sir Sean de Garde 19:22, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry M'lud, I was having a little read! I did a vandal on Macca's page too! Vera, Chuck &amp; Dave 19:27, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Ooo, you are awful, but I like you! Vera, Chuck &amp; Dave 19:42, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * LOL! Give that man a cupie doll! Vera, Chuck &amp; Dave 19:53, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * W.C. Fields! Wot? Wot a tight little Fecker! Vera, Chuck &amp; Dave 20:11, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * "Water? Water? Never touch the stuff - fish fuck in it! W.C. Fields. Vera, Chuck &amp; Dave 20:16, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * BTW, I put a note on The Beatles talk page about the flagythingys, chuck yer two penny's worth in when you get a chance please. Oh Dead Gear! Dinner Time! Be good Our Kid, Vera, Chuck &amp; Dave 20:32, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Lennon
hi - I'm not trying to step on your edits on Lennon page - I think most are excellent - I just disagree with one, removing the description of Lennon/McC writing team. I added a ref and am looking for more and better ones, but would like to keep the text. Maybe you can help out with refs or rewrite on this that keeps the ideas intact? I don't think it's enough to say their writing styles complement one another without explaining what that means. And surely "massively successful" can be backed up with citations or perhaps modified a bit to say the same thing with a citation. I posted a note on Talk:John Lennon about why I reverted - again, I don't want to edit war on this, just don't want it to be denuded of anything descriptive - can be descriptive and encyclopedic at the same time. Tvoz 21:08, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * SOunds good to me - I haven't looked in on McCartney for a while and will do so - have been busy chasing away the vandals from Lennon. Finally got the page semi-protected which has made an enormous difference. Unbelievable idiots out there. So - if you do find some nice refs for how Lennon was hard-edged, McC optimistic, and that their songs were successful... duh ... I'd appreciate it.  Maybe you can get a quote from a big fan? Cheers from NY. Tvoz 21:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Duh again - didn't think of looking on McCartney. thanks  Tvoz 22:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

poor freddie
Something doesn't make sense in the early years section - you say that Freddie was off in the army or whatever, supported Julia & John financially, but then went AWOL and the checks stopped. So Julia starts going out and gets knocked up by Taffy Williams (was it he? if not, why are we using his name? ) - Then you say Freddie offers to support Julia John and the baby but Julia refuses and has the baby, gives her up for adoption. But to follow that with saying Freddie walked out on them when John was 5 (which is when Julia had the baby), sounds kind of skewed - he "walked out on" a woman who just had a baby by another man? Maybe Spitz speaks to this - it's disjointed the way it now reads, and makes Freddie look worse than maybe he was. Or something. COuld you check how Spitz deals with Freddie's "walking out"? thanks Tvoz 06:37, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I didn't write that bit, but it is true. (But by my reckoning John was 'almost' 5...) I only put the first paragraph in, and I didn't have time to do more. Re: The links - Spitz is a respected author, and there is also a web link there to the 'Liverpool Lennons'. Other sources are also available on the Web, and I have Cynthia Lennon's book as well. Wait until the bit where Freddie takes John to Blackpool, because he wanted to take John to New Zealand, and John had to choose between Freddie and Julia... heavy stuff for a young child. --andreasegde 12:14, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I didn't put this in because I thought it was too detailed, but Taffy Williams wasn't interested in Julia because she wouldn't give up John. Freddie and his brother cornered Taffy in a bar around Xmas 1944 (to find out if the rape story was true or not) and Taffy admitted he had been having an affair with Julia for the last six months, so the kid was his. --andreasegde 12:19, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, with the Blackpool stuff it makes much more sense. Wow, a lot to lay on a little kid. You're doing great work - very much appreciated.  Btw, I think you could include something of the above Freddie-Taffy story, since the reason Taffy-Julia didn't work out was that she wouldn't give up John - that kind of tells us something more about Julia in a positive light - otherwise one might look at this woman and see that she was whoring around, gave away both of her kids in one way or another, etc, and I gather that may not be a fair assessment. Anyway - I'll leave that to you.  ABout the musical talent of both parent - I have no idea where that came from - it was in before I started editing the page - so it may not be correct.  I guess we'll see if anyone comes up with a citation, but if your extensive collection isn't yielding anything, it may actually be wrong.  Tvoz 18:32, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Good!
You need a holiday, you must be suffering from ISBN on the Brain! Have a GOOD one, and have a very Happy Christmas and a preposterous New Year! Cheers Kidda! Vera, Chuck &amp; Dave 10:21, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Forking
What I meant was; for example, the bit with Lennon's mother. If you wanted to go into more detail about her death, you would do that in her article, which would be where to fork that specific content. To be honest, I think people should worry about the article's quality and stop worrying about its size. LuciferMorgan


 * I agree with Lucifer's last sentence completely -in general I think there's an over-concern among some wikipedia editors about length, and what it leaves are incomplete, unsatisfying, sketchy pieces or on the other hand they remove short pieces altogether when there may not be more needed than a short piece, but it needs to stand alone. I'll comment on talk lennon shortly on this. Tvoz 18:46, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks to you too Andreas - the Beatles Wikiproject would be in a box (pine made) if it wasn't for your efforts. LuciferMorgan 19:58, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I thnak you very kindly. "My cup floweth over", as they say. What nice people there are on The Beatles pages... --andreasegde 20:42, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Linda
Thanks - yes fresh eyes often see things more clearly. I tweaked Linda's graf a little more and think it reads well, but I'm bothered by the tapes graf in there - I suppose it needs to be included somewhere but is kind of unexplained where it is. OTOH, it didn't feel right moving it into the Mills graf - maybe leave it alone? So I did. Tvoz 17:52, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, much better -that was the right place for it. You'll see I also reversed the first 2 thoughts in Family Life - makes more sense to lead with he was last Beatle to marry, I think, followed by all of the gory details of how he got to that state of being. Thanks for your welcoming spirit, by the way - ditto to you for your contributions to Lennon.  Tvoz 18:48, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

thanks
Well, I hope what I posted there will give them something to think about - I really meant what I said. The article when I started working on it, not all that long ago, was really just a shell in a lot of places. I've added actual information, references (as have a number of others) and mostly I've done editing and organizing work, but it clearly needed a lot of help, and still does. So your energy, and that of the other newer editors, is a real shot in the arm. If I can provide a touch of that freshness to Macca (love that - we never hear that in the US but I am now officially adopting it) I'll feel as if I'm repaying your Lennon work, at least a little. I enjoy working with you - this is supposed to be fun. If only more people on wikipedia had senses of humor. Now, as for that barnstar, I'd be honored. The one I have was generously bestowed on me by a fellow in Australia after I more or less successfully, it seems, came up with wording on Bee Gees that would describe their origins in a way that satisfied the Manx, English, and Australian factions. Didn't know there was a war among them, eh? You have no idea. I had to look up "Manx-born" - totally never heard of that word before.(By the way, some time explain to me why people are so incensed about Macca (!!) being called "English" not "British" and vice versa? To my New York ears, there's pretty much no difference, although obviously I know that England is Merry Old and Britain includes those other bits.  You can't imagine how funny these wars over such tiny differences sound to a furriner.  Cheerio!  Tvoz 00:49, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

hahahahahahahaha
I'm still laughing. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject The Beatles Tvoz 01:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC) (but thank you - really!)
 * No, please! Dont be silly - I was really kidding (about the chauvinism part)- I'm really not so sensitive. I truly was laughing. Tvoz 02:16, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * What! you were laughing, and I was flogging myself and itching like a madman? This is 'beyond the pale', as they say. Oh well, never mind - it's all in a day's work... (Take this a joke, BTW. :)) --andreasegde 21:08, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Holiday
I'm going to Denia in Spain until the 29th, and I will be taking a book or two with me, so I will stay in touch from there... Merry Xmas to you all and a Happy New Year. --andreasegde 22:35, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Lucky you!  Hope you have lots of sun. Happy holidays Tvoz 23:40, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/RPJ
This case is now closed and the results have been published at the link above.

MERRY CRIMBO SIR SEAN!

Hope you have a really good one!

Love Collette, Poppy, Sammie & Tony.

Seasons Greetings
Mery Chrizzmuzz Andreah. Sinse its chrizmuzz im gowing two spel oll ov da wurds inn thiz mesidge rong. fuk wikimapedia polisy four da seezon. Hav ay gud chrizzmuzz n ay hapy noo yeer.--Creztvile 12:41, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

welcome back
...and just in time for a squabble, which I have no doubt made worse with my uninformed, meddling, proletarian Yankishness. Happy new year!! Tvoz | talk 19:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

thanks
Typed live, as you see it. Some things I can write about in my sleep - why Vietnam was wrong, why Kent State was one of the worst days in American history, why it is tragic that Phil Ochs is dead, the utter senselessness of Lennon's murder (and yes, goddamnit, he is still MOURNED throughout the world - glad whoever objected to that one stopped)...etc. Thanks for your nice words. The other guy is from Kent State Shootings - a military guy - and we've gone head-to-head a bit about Kent State, but I must say he is reasonable and actually takes points. Although we very much disagree, it's respectful. Which is more than I can say about other people who've been in and out of these arguments (see Image talk: Kent State massacre.jpg - yeah, an image page). So...... Macca's almost there and I see you're getting your hands into Lennon again - I haven't looked at it yet, but I will! All best PS - the MBE thing seems to have quieted down - that was  pretty funny = to me, anyway. Tvoz | talk 21:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Edit summaries
Hi Andreasegde, could I encourage you to use edit summaries. I almost reverted a set of your edits to John Lennon because it looked like you were deleting large chunks of the article. Luckily I figured out what you were really doing. Even a short edit summary would have helped avoid the confusion. Thanks, Gwernol 03:32, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm really sorry, but it's because I work on articles in depth, and I make changes that would take longer to explain than the time it takes to do it. Most editors make one small change, but I go through everything with a fine tooth-comb. I have been asked to leave a summary very often, but I get so involved I forget, or my itchy mouse-finger clicks before I know it. andreasegde 03:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I understand, I work in that mode myself. You always have the option of forcing it. In the "my preferences" panel in the "Editing" tab there's a checkbox to "Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary". If you check this option, you can't save an edit without exntering an edit summary. I have this turned on and find it really useful. After a short while adding edit summaries becomes second nature. I don't find it a problem now at all even when doing a large sequence of them. Up to you of course, but its worth knowing about. Best, Gwernol 03:51, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, and thanks a lot. I will do it, but I don't expect my summaries to be intelligible. :))andreasegde 03:57, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * They want intelligible too? Tvoz | talk 07:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I often put more thought into my summaries than the edit concerned....ping pong peter 13:52, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Knock me down with a feather - how does one do that? I get all fired up (balancing a book on the side and watching TV, and smoking and drinking beer now and then). It's a good job my better-half is working nights, or I'd be in trouble... andreasegde 20:10, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Couple of questions
The quote about thanking Jesus for the end of touring doesn't make sense where it is now if we have the jesus controversy down below - we used to have Jesus as a sub section of the 60s part, followed by 'no more touring'. I'm having some trouble with the way things are laid out now (although I had other problems with the way it used to be) - maybe the controversies should be broken up and put back in chronological order since you've changed the whole page to be more chronological? (If that question makes any sense, I'll eat Lennon's hat which I am glad to see is no longer on the page). Tvoz | talk 07:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC) Also, the family life section - we need something about Lennon getting together with cynthia before we talk about their marriage having trouble - says up in early life that he met her in art school but nothing more. Needs a little about their pre-marriage relationship, when/why they got married, anything we have about the marriage in addition to Cynthia saying it was in trouble - also I moved the first graf about cynthia to under the cynthia header because it didnt make sense above. Whole section needs work - wte're talking about Sean in the Cynthia section because we're talkina bout Julian - maybe need a JOhn as father sub? Probably should talk about this things in talk:lennon too or wherever the beatles gang hangs out so others can help - you're doing a huge job pretty much alone. Tvoz | talk 08:01, 5 January 2007 (UTC) Oh- one more: "He was - and continues to be - mourned throughout the world." I still maintain that is a true and valuable sentence to be in the intro as it relates to the memorials, etc - but I'll leave it as is and just grumble. Tvoz | talk 08:01, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I should set up a separate page called "Mourning John Lennon" ...  I get why it can't be in there, although if I should find any good refs I might try to find a place for it because - seriously - it's not a question of being a Lennon fan as much as it does reflect the reality that he is indeed still mourned around the world.  Lots of other dead rockers are not, but Lennon's death did transcend the norm.  Even Harrison - people are sad of course that he died too young, but it's not in the way that Lennon is mourned. But anyway, I get it and am not putting it back in.  That is eerie about your birthday - and sad.
 * Won't have a chance to look at the latest changes until later on- it is a tough rearrangement because the page was kind of quirky (I know how much some admins love quirky...) and really way out of chronological order which kind of makes it diffifult to have it flow properly. But we'll keep trying - you're doing a great job, as always.  Tvoz | talk 20:21, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Look at the Macca history talk pages, and you will see that me and my pal Vera, Chuck and Dave seriously fell out with Kingboyk about how the Macca page is now, with us both wanting it to be chronological. We finally came around to realise that subjects are dealt with in sections (Kingboyk is an admin, after all, and has worked on a lot of FA articles). Anyway, we got up, dusted ourselves off and shook hands like the gentlemen we are. I now doff my cap to the bosses upstairs, and work on the articles as requested, which shows my working class roots, and my previous job as a percussionist... :) andreasegde 20:34, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Bishop, the deed is done. And it fits in all nice and neat. Tvoz | talk 05:26, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

John Lennon
Happy New Year Andreasegde I'm not sure if you meant to or not, but you deleted the family section from theJohn Lennon artical. I have reverted it back...but just wanted to give you a heads-up. Once again "Happy New Year" Shoessss 18:51, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, that's one way to get rid of the problem.....  [JUST KIDDING] Tvoz | talk 20:03, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Did I? Blow me down, I didn't want to do that. Maybe it was when I copied it and looked for a place to put it/move it. I will now say a Happy New Year to you, kind editor, and thrash myself with a large stick to make sure I don't do it again. lol, :)) andreasegde 18:56, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Right, sod Lennon - I'm off t'pub tha' knows. Me better-half's got the night off... andreasegde 21:17, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well at least someone on Wikipedia has a social life and a girlfriend. I think they can revoke your membership for that.--That fat bird wot used to play the nurse in Open All Hours 02:18, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
 * We ended up having a bit of a barney. I was all logical and nice (but a self-opinionated git) and she's a gobby gal who loves getting pissed and talking rubbish after two 12-hour shifts... Such is that thing called.. err, what's it called? andreasegde 02:50, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Agriculture.--Crestville 11:06, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

The Beatles trivia
Andreasedge, it wasn't I, but Ed g2s, who deleted the images. He came in right after I had performed a fly-by disambiguation of Decca. You had me worried there for a moment! -- Flauto Dolce 13:25, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I sincerely apologise, dear Flauto Dolce. I will now proceed to stamp down Ed g2s' pathway and knock sternly on his door. Have fun :) andreasegde 13:35, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Fair use
Fair Use is about context. I did not check all the images' other uses to see if they were valid too, but feel free to do so. ed g2s &bull; talk 05:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, please assume good faith. I'm not sure to what I am supposed to be showing "bias"? ed g2s &bull; talk 05:44, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

With regards to removing these comments, you do not own any page on Wikipedia, and it is considered very bad form to remove messages from your talk page without reason. Your statement that "I am waiting for important comments from other editors, and they take precedent." doesn't really have any bearing on the matter as there is plenty of room for multiple discussions on this page. If you don't have a reply to me then fine, but please don't remove the message as if I didn't bother to reply to you. ed g2s &bull; talk 15:06, 10 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Now, would I do a thing like that? Not on your nelly, dear sir - I'd bet my life on it, so I would. andreasegde 16:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC)