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Errol Sawyer
I love Jose Feliciano. Also his 'Nature boy.' Can you, please, help me editing the article of Errol Sawyer and saving it from deletion? This is what I just wrote: Mbinebri, you again for the fourth time???? Your endeavors to delete this article of a good photographer starts to look the more and more like like a personal crusade? Why do you disresepect this good African-American artist? You give Wikipedia a bad name! Read: [1]

7. Individuals with agendas sometimes have significant editing authority. Administrators on Wikipedia have the power to delete or disallow comments or articles they disagree with and support the viewpoints they approve. For example, beginning in 2003, U.K. scientist William Connolley became a Web site administrator and subsequently wrote or rewrote more than 5,000 Wikipedia articles supporting the concept of climate change and global warming. More importantly, he used his authority to ban more than 2,000 contributors with opposing viewpoints from making further contributions.

5. There is little diversity among editors. According to a 2009 survey by the Wikimedia Foundation, 87 percent of Wikipedia editors are male, with an average age of 26.8 years. According to executive director Sue Gardner, they hail mostly from Europe and North America, and many of them are in graduate school.

4. The number of active Wikipedia editors has flatlined. The number of active Wikipedia editors (those who make at least five edits a month) has stopped growing. It remains to be seen whether the current number of active editors can maintain and continue updating Wikipedia.

3. It has become harder for casual participants to contribute. According to the Palo Alto Research Center, the contributions of casual and new contributors are being reversed at a much greater rate than several years ago. The result is that a steady group of high-level editors has more control over Wikipedia than ever.

A group of editors known as “deletionists” are said to “edit first and ask questions later,” making it harder for new contributors to participate, and making it harder for Wikipedia—which, again, aspires to provide “the sum of all human knowledge”—to overcome the issue that it is controlled by a stagnant pool of editors from a limited demographic.

To fill you in: Sawyer is an accomplished artist: Read not only his his last interview on the WSW by Richard Philips, but also read what the ex museum director Julian Spalding writes about him on his own website and read what A. D. Coleman (first photo critic of the New York Times) writes about his work in his book "City" Mosaic and on his own website. Also Sawyer's work is present in several important museum collections around the world which gives already the status of importance that he needs to have an article in Wikipedia. I suggest that you help to improve this article instead of suggest deletion. It is very important that Errol Sawyer, considered as having equal value as the African-American photographer Roy Decarava, has an article in WIki UK as he is a role model for the African-American community. I will ask the advise of more editors as I suspect prejudice from your side. 1027E (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1027E (talk • contribs) 14:08, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Cornelius P. Rhoads
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 * Congrats on getting this article to GA status and thanks for your note. I just happened on the article again today; we did lots of work there!Parkwells (talk) 14:49, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

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Notification
I am sorry that I have landed you in much much difficulty last year. You truly did not deserve the attacks that came your way. I hope you do not hold a grudge! I most certainly appreciate all you have done as mediator! In any event I have asked for some clarification at NPOV noticeboard re the date of Matthew's Gospel. - Ret.Prof (talk) 01:32, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Minor FYI
FWIW, I am in no way a retired theologian, as you indicated you thought some people around here might be, or even particularly aware of all the complexities in that damnably confusing topic. I am more like Robert Redford's character in Three Days of the Condor - I just read books. Admittedly, a lot of reference books, but still just books. :) John Carter (talk) 16:57, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

RFA
Re [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Bureaucrats'_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=654098534] -- another thing we could do is stop talking about the assignment of the administrator user access level as a "promotion." -- never did understand that one. The pay isn't any better as far as I know. NE Ent 23:40, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
 * [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NE_Ent&diff=prev&oldid=654274380 replied] NE Ent 02:12, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Gospel of Matthew - 50 CE Date
@ Andrevan:''You stated "I would wonder why years and years of your life are being spent litigating the weight of your particular viewpoint?" ''
 * Actually, the 50 CE date is NOT my viewpoint See User talk:PiCo for my POV. This is about NPOV plain and simple. I believe there are several articles that violate Wikipedia's policy. They need to be reworked from a NPOW and updated with recent reliable sources. Also the rise in WP:WikiBullying causes me concern. Cheers - Ret.Prof (talk) 02:21, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
 * And I believe pretty much everybody but Ret. Prof believes his actions violate policy and/or guidelines. Also, Andrevan, I think it worth noting that there has been a page created in userspace, fairly soon to be moved into wikipedia space, at User:John Carter/Self-appointed prophet. That page was, in fact, first started because of the conduct of two editors, one of whom is involved in this current discussion. Any edits to it are still, of course, at my discretion, as it is still in userspace, but I acknowledge that it could stand for some improvement if you wish to offer any. John Carter (talk) 14:36, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
 * @John, please stop attacking me everywhere. If you believe "everybody but Ret. Prof believes his actions violate policy and/or guidelines" then arbitration is the way to go. Don't get me wrong. I welcome your input to the discussion re the 50 CE date but not the WP:WikiBullying or WP:Harassment. Cheers - Ret.Prof (talk) 16:06, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Ret. Prof, I have given you a final warning on your user talk page. Believe me, should you continue in the behavior in which you have regularly engaged in both recently and over the long term, and by that I mean even a single instance, I will raise the question of your editing here at ANI, and I think at that time the possibility of a topic ban, or, considering you are basically an SPA, a site ban, will be one of the options I recommend. John Carter (talk) 16:22, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
 * @ John, I still hope to work out our differences. However if you feel my behavior is in violation of some Wikipedia policy, Arbitration is now the way to go! - Ret.Prof (talk) 18:33, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

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Small Editorial Dispute on WP Article Az-Zakariyya
User:Andrevan, I am a Jew who lives in Israel. I have just recently started editing on Wikipedia, and have added an assortment of photographs as well as historical data to various WP articles. Recently, as of yesterday, I edited an article that treats on an Israeli Moshav, Az-Zakariyya, formerly an Arab village, and added the Hebrew name of the Moshav in the leading paragraph, beside its Arabic name, since the Moshav, or village, is currently inhabited by Israeli Jews who speak Hebrew, and who call the village by its traditional Hebrew name and spelling: זכריה. For reasons unknown to me, an editor came along and deleted its Hebrew name, and kept only its Arabic name. It is my view that we should be neutral here and mention, both, its Hebrew and Arabic spellings. I have asked the editor to revert her deletion, and to restore the Hebrew spelling (זכריה), which, so far, she has refused to do. I may wish to take this matter to WP:Dispute resolution noticeboard, but my understanding is that there is a backlog for dispute resolutions relating to WP:NPOV = Neutrality. Can I be so blunt as to ask for your help here in resolving this issue, since it shouldn't take too long. See:. Sincerely, Davidbena (talk) 01:20, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * User:Andrevan, I'm sorry to bother you, but I see that our co-editor, Huldra, is insistent on keeping the WP article Az-Zakariyya devoid of modern Jewish content. She deleted all of my latest additions and photographs. She prefers keeping the article limited to pre-1948 history of the village, with no references to its modern history. Rather than fight her through the available channels of mediation, I think I'll just copy all the major sections of her article treating on its past history and paste them in a second article that appears on the village Zekharia, although that would make two articles on the same village. I had entertained the thought that perhaps the second but smaller article on the same village (Moshav) should be put up for deletion, but now that she is insistent on having it her own way, this leaves me with no choice but to develop the second article and to retain it. Any suggestions?Davidbena (talk) 01:12, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Ongoing issues regarding the Allegations of United States support for the Khmer Rouge article
Forgive me if I'm going about this the wrong way, as I've only begun taking an active role in the Wikipedia project recently, but the Allegations of United States support for the Khmer Rouge page seems to have reached a point that only action from a higher source of authority is likely to resolve. It's a rather tenuous situation in regards to neutrality, but it's clear that both an edit war is taking place, and that some information backed by valid sources is getting caught in the crossfire. I noticed that you have had past dealings with users User:TheTimesAreAChanging and User:Stumink, so I figured I'd contact you directly instead of putting out a general call for admin assistance or the like. TheMurgy (talk) 02:51, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

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Workshopping bureaucrat activity requirements

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There is an ongoing discussion about implementing some kind of standards for administrative and bureaucrat activity levels; and activity requirements for bureaucrats have been explored several times in the past. I've prepared a draft addition to Bureaucrats that would require at least one bureaucratic action every five years to retain the bureaucrat permission.

In the past, I've been hesitant of such proposals but I believe that if the bureaucrat group as a whole is seen to be actively engaged, the community may be more willing to grant additional tasks to the position.

Please let me know your thoughts. I'm not sure if this actually applies to any of us, but if you have not acted as a bureaucrat in over five years, you might consider requesting removal of the permission or otherwise signalling that you intend to return to bureaucrat activity. –xenotalk 14:22, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Follow-up question re mediation
Here: "there also seems to be a fairly non-FRINGEy one that might be represented in the article." Could you give me the two-sentence version of what this is? It probably was obvious to everyone else, but I think I may be less familiar with the day-to-day developments in the discussions on that page. VQuakr (talk) 17:44, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply! I guess to rephrase my question, your response stated that there elements that were fringey and elements that are non-fringey, and I am not clear in which are which. "major foreign actors" is unambiguous, though, so I can review what narrative Lavrov has proposed. VQuakr (talk) 18:21, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

FYI: bureaucrat discussion opened

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A bureaucrat chat has been opened by Maxim at Requests for adminship/Rich Farmbrough 2/Bureaucrat discussion.

Bureaucrat discussion suggests notifying bureaucrats on their talk page as well as BN, hence this courtesy note. –xenotalk 16:43, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

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 * Requests for adminship/Cyberpower678/Bureaucrat discussion

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And you should now better than to mark non-minor edits as "minor".Volunteer Marek (talk) 08:03, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi Andrevan@undefined, I'm sorry you won't be continuing on this one, but I understand. I was frankly amazed by your patience earlier anyway. I hope at least you feel you took something away from the experience, other than the difficult editing environment around Syrian Civil War articles. Thanks for your help. -Darouet (talk) 19:19, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

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Bureaucrat discussion notification (Liz)
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 * Requests for adminship/Liz/Bureaucrat discussion


 * Andrevan, friendly note: "Content editing" and "Content creation / Content writing" are not the same thing. I don't see many if any opposers who opposed on the basis of "content editing." Do you? Townlake (talk) 14:56, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

"apparently the best noticeboard response ever"...
"Drmies is correct". :) Drmies (talk) 16:26, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Moving Burma to Myanmar - new 2015 poll
You participated in a Burma RM in the past so I'm informing you of another RM. I hope I didn't miss anyone. New move attempt of Burma>Myanmar Fyunck(click) (talk) 08:14, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

My RfA Crat Chat
Hello, Andrevan,

I just wanted to thank you and all of the bureaucrats who participated in the bureaucrat chat after my RfA was closed. There were a lot of votes and comments to go through along with the enormous amount of content on the crat chat talk page. I appreciate the time and care the bureaucrats took to consider all of the arguments and come to a consensus.

I never imagined that my RfA would be at all contentious or have such a big turnout. Although I hope you don't have many close call RfAs in the future, I know if you do, that Wikipedia's bureaucrats will find their way to a decision. Thank you again for your work in bringing this RfA to a close. Liz Read! Talk! 18:40, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

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To assist with the implementation of this requirement, please see Bureaucrat activity. Modeled after Inactive administrators and similar to that process, the log page will be created on 1 September 2015. Bureaucrats who have not met the activity requirements as of that date will be notified by email (where possible) and on their talk page to advise of the pending removal.

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India–Iran relations
Hello,

I found your user page when I was looking through how to solve a dispute. User:LouisAragon keeps reverting my edits (example: ) on the India–Iran relations page. The user claims history of pre-nation state should not be in this article. However, as you can see, almost all similar wiki pages have pre-history: India-China relations, India-Afghanistan relations, etc. I believe this user is making his/her own rules and standards. Can you please help in solving this dispute? Thank you. (24.157.56.12 (talk) 18:38, 18 March 2016 (UTC))


 * This article should be for modern-day relations. There was no "India" back then; it was created in 1947, and the same argument goes for Iran, which didn't even exist in the times that the material talks about. Many of the territories and regions that are talked about in the article are not even part of India (they are part of modern-day Pakistan, for example). Furthermore, that content is a hodge-podge of amalgamated material (much of which isn't even related to Iran for example), and therefore violates WP:OR as well. Lastly, that material has a history of being reinstated by Arbcom/CU blocked user Bladesmulti. Per these reasons, it shouldn't be added. - LouisAragon (talk) 18:43, 18 March 2016 (UTC)




 * 1) Why is this not applied to other articles?
 * 2) You do realize treating IP users as second class citizens is not allowed by wiki policy.
 * 3) I am not that user, ask an admin to do a check. (24.157.56.12 (talk) 18:59, 18 March 2016 (UTC))


 * Also,, this is an IP hopper that's been actively hopping around on numerous articles (I can PM you the further range/edits/IP's, but CheckUsers are already aware of it). Many of those articles were/are semi-protected as a result. The IP is not Bladesmulti, but a different user that's been using numerous IP's to hop around. - LouisAragon (talk) 18:47, 18 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Users like you are the main reason wiki is having such a hard time getting editors. You should be ashamed and disgusted with yourself. You accused me of another blocked user, now claiming I am not. Now a new insult, an "IP hopper" -- whatever that means. Instead of solving this dispute, you are personally attacking me. Shameful! (24.157.56.12 (talk) 19:05, 18 March 2016 (UTC))

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Administrators' newsletter - February 2017
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Administrator changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg NinjaRobotPirate • Schwede66 • K6ka • Ealdgyth • Ferret • Cyberpower678 • Mz7 • Primefac • Dodger67
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Briangotts • JeremyA • BU Rob13

Guideline and policy news
 * A discussion to workshop proposals to amend the administrator inactivity policy at Wikipedia talk:Administrators has been in process since late December 2016.
 * Pending changes/Request for Comment 2016 closed with no consensus for implementing Pending changes level 2 with new criteria for use.
 * Following an RfC, an activity requirement is now in place for bots and bot operators.

Technical news
 * When performing some administrative actions the reason field briefly gave suggestions as text was typed. This change has since been reverted so that issues with the implementation can be addressed. (T34950)
 * Following the latest RfC concluding that Pending Changes 2 should not be used on the English Wikipedia, an RfC closed with consensus to remove the options for using it from the page protection interface, a change which has now been made. (T156448)
 * The Foundation has announced a new community health initiative to combat harassment. This should bring numerous improvements to tools for admins and CheckUsers in 2017.

Arbitration
 * The Arbitration Committee released a response to the Wikimedia Foundation's statement on paid editing and outing.

Obituaries
 * JohnCD (John Cameron Deas) passed away on 30 December 2016. John began editing Wikipedia seriously during 2007 and became an administrator in November 2009.

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13:36, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

February 15: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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Nintendo Power
Hi, I'm working on The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker and saw your name on the list of people who have access to Nintendo Power issues. Would you happen to have access to the Wind Waker review in April 2003, issue 167, p. 132, and/or the article on the "Nintendo Power Awards" from June 2004, issue 180? Thanks,--Cúchullain t/ c 20:19, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

March 11: Art+Feminism Edit-a-thon @ MoMA (and beyond!)
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About Requests for mediation/Decentralization policy in K League
Hi, I have something to tell you about Requests for mediation/Decentralization policy in K League

Members are involved are all South Korean and references are about this issue are south korean news articles.

Same members are currently discussing about same topic in the korean wikipedia.

If Committee members don't understand the korean newspaper articles, I think that this is difficult to judge

Like Forum non conveniens, I hope that Committee reject the this request.

Rejection is OK. We'll discuss in the korean wikipedia. Footwiks (talk)

Sunday March 26: Action=History Wiki-Hackathon @ Ace Hotel
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block settings for User:Sk-gorka
I suppose upping it to a hardblock at this late date could be within the realm of administrative discretion, but I have to question why you thought it was justified to revoke their talk page and email access as I see no evidence whatsoever that they have abused either function. You also failed to change the reason in the block log, it still says soft block for username, as did the block template I placed, which I have now removed in anticipation of you adding a more appropriate one that reflects the reasons for the rather harsh new settings.

So per WP:ADMINACCT, I'd like to ask that you either:
 * Fix all those issues and explain the justification for revoking talk page and email
 * Restore the original block settings and template

Thanks. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:05, 5 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Since it seems like you tend to make short spurt of edits and then disappear for days or even months I asked at the ANI thread for an uninvolved admin to review this and they have restored the original settings. Not to put too fine a point on it, but if you are going to come off of a three year break from using the block tool, you should be sure you are positive you know what you are doing and that it is the right move, and even then you should be available to explain yourself if the block is questioned. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:42, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Bureaucrat discussion - GoldenRing

 * Requests for adminship/GoldenRing/Bureaucrat chat

I would be grateful for your input in the above discussion. Many thanks, <strong style="font-variant:small-caps">WJBscribe (talk) 12:15, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Wikiproject Spoken Wikipedia Revival
Hello, I'm Jamesjpk. I wanted to let you know that the Wikiproject Spoken Wikipedia, has been tagged with a semi-active tag. I am messaging you about this because you are listed under the wiki-project's list of active participants. Please contribute to the WikiProject if you want to keep it alive! I hope that it becomes active again! Jamesjpk (talk) 22:25, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

April 19: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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Nintendo Power articles
Hi, Andrevan. The Nintendo Power pieces I'm looking for are the Wind Waker review in April 2003, issue 167, p. 132, and the article on the "Nintendo Power Awards" from June 2004, issue 180. If you do have them I'd be most appreciative.--Cúchullain t/ c 00:16, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Hackathon to help Wikipedia 1.0
Hello! You're listed as a member of the Wikipedia 1.0 team, so I thought you might be interested in this Hackathon on August 13-18 in my home town of Potsdam, New York, right after Wikimania. Let me know if you'd like to participate. Thanks, Walkerma (talk) 04:52, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Notice of noticeboard discussion
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Softlavender (talk) 01:54, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you
For lifting the ban. All these works I've been doing under sponsor are meant to benefit the world. I hope I could resume work without being attacked again. Thank you :) Wikisanchez (talk) 14:07, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Sunday May 21: Metropolitan Museum of Art Edit-a-thon + global online challenge
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May 24: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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Thursday June 22: Wiki Loves Pride Edit-a-thon @ MoMA
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Sunday July 9: WikNYC Picnic @ Governors Island
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July 19: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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Sunday July 30: Action=History Wiki-Hackathon @ Ace Hotel
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Shakespeare Authorship Question
I like wikipedia but am troubled that the assigned editor (Tom Reedy) has published a book which takes one side in a controversial issue. there are scholars on both sides. in my opinion the current article is biased, it takes commmon arguments against shakesperian authorship and twists them into arguments supporting his authorship. there was a mediation decision regarding this page in 2011 but I think more attention is needed

I tried to add a chart which summarized conventional wisdom in a nentral fashion. it was reverted by wikipedia's judge/juror.

evidently others agree with this view http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/education/wikipedias-shakespeare-problem

wikipedia usually does a good job but for some reason on this topic you have put the fox in charge of the chicken coop — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unified field (talk • contribs) 14:53, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

August 30: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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September 27: WikiWednesday Salon / Wikimedia NYC Annual Meeting
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 * P.S. On the weekend before the annual meeting, you can join: Action=History @ Ace Hotel (Sunday, September 24, 2017)

Invitation to Admin confidence survey
Hello,

Beginning in September 2017, the Wikimedia Foundation Anti-harassment tool team will be conducting a survey to gauge how well tools, training, and information exists to assist English Wikipedia administrators in recognizing and mitigating things like sockpuppetry, vandalism, and harassment.

The survey should only take 5 minutes, and your individual response will not be made public. This survey will be integral for our team to determine how to better support administrators.

To take the survey sign up here and we will send you a link to the form.

We really appreciate your input!

Please let us know if you wish to opt-out of all massmessage mailings from the Anti-harassment tools team.

For the Anti-harassment tools team, SPoore (WMF), Community Advocate, Community health initiative (talk) 20:56, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Sunday October 15: Wikipedia @ Open House New York / Weekend Photo Competition
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October 18: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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Metropolitan Museum of Art Edit-a-thon (Nov 19) and global online Wikipedia Asian Art Month (Nov 1-30)
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November 15: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC @ NYU ITP
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Nomination of George C. Payne for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article George C. Payne is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/George C. Payne until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Rathfelder (talk) 15:35, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Women in Red World Contest
Hi. We're into the last five days of the Women in Red World Contest. There's a new bonus prize of $200 worth of books of your choice to win for creating the most new women biographies between 0:00 on the 26th and 23:59 on 30th November. If you've been contributing to the contest, thank you for your support, we've produced over 2000 articles. If you haven't contributed yet, we would appreciate you taking the time to add entries to our articles achievements list by the end of the month. Thank you, and if participating, good luck with the finale!

December 13: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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Mediation Committee
I am making a Mediation Committee proposal for Wikipedia.pt, may you help me based on the practice of wikipedia.en, would it be possible? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Felipe da Fonseca (talk • contribs) 21:58, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

FryGuy listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect FryGuy. Since you had some involvement with the FryGuy redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Steel1943 (talk) 14:09, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Yves Volel
Alex Shih (talk) 15:03, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

February 21: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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March 21: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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Wikiproject:Videogames Reference library request
Hi!

I was hoping you might be able to provide me with some information on the February 2006 edition of Nintendo Power, volume 200. Specifically, I'm interested in the section "NP Top 200", which is supposedly on pages 58–66; if possible, a reference scan would be useful.

Thanks, E to the Pi times i  ( talk  |  contribs ) 02:18, 20 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the lightning fast response! How soon will you go to the storage unit? (You can reply here.) E to the Pi times i  ( talk  |  contribs ) 02:24, 20 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Not sure, but not as promptly as I responded to this. :) Not before the weekend, certainly. Andrevan@ 02:25, 20 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Okay, that's fine, it's just one of the wrap-up sources for verifying an article, so there's no hurry at all. E to the Pi times i  ( talk  |  contribs ) 02:27, 20 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I just wanted to remind you of this, since it's been over a week. Once again, there is absolutely hurry, but I do want to verify this at some point.  E to the Pi times i  ( talk  |  contribs ) 01:25, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

CANCELLED: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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May 23: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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Donald Trump
I suggest you self revert as I challenged your edit and per the editing guidelines of that article, you cannot revert or restore (which is what you did in slightly different wording) without obtaining talkpage consensus first. Here are the boilerplates that head that article. Thanks.--MONGO 04:34, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

In your defense, the editing restrictions on that page in particular are quite daunting and I myself was not aware of them when I did something similar not long ago .--MONGO 04:48, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * MONGO is correct that the article restrictions prevent you from inserting a slightly modified version of something that had recently been added and reverted without getting some sort of consensus on the talk page. I realize this slows down the normal editing process where you can quickly solve disputes with some creative editing, but it also helps prevent disruptive tag-team edit wars. ~Awilley (talk) 15:35, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Procedural notice
Your latest edits to the lead of Donald Trump may have run afoul of DS restrictions on that page. Please self-revert and join the discussion. — JFG talk 04:37, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Please read
With your last 500 edits stretching back to 2015 you may be unaware that the area you're currently editing in requires you to step lightly. This means tamping down on the bold editing, always using talk pages to gain consensus for your edits if challenged, and refraining from making accusations against editors without diffs that back up your accusations. I suggest you read (or re-read) the remedies at the top of Talk:Donald Trump closely, including the civility restriction. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 05:54, 25 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi Andrevan. I believe that the serious allegations you're making are in good faith, but I don't think there's any way it can be addressed in a community noticeboard. It's too controversial, whether or not you're right. I don't think anything less than Arbcom can even begin to address this, and if there's any semblance of truth to your theory, Arbcom will probably have to kick it to the Foundation. S warm   ♠  07:19, 25 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Also: MONGO has been here since before Jimbo was shaving, he took massive shit from 9/11 truthers defending articles there, attacking hims as part of the vast right-wing conspiracy is a very silly thing to do. Guy (Help!) 14:59, 25 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I was coming here to say some of the same as above. Accusing longtime editors of being paid Russian trolls without evidence is not only a violation of our policies, it is damaging to a collaborative working environment and makes things worse all around. I highly advise you to focus on the content itself instead of your fellow editors. (Also when you have 4 different admins independently coming to your talk page to tell you the same thing it's a good idea to listen!) ~Awilley (talk) 15:59, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

May 2018 - AN/I Notification
A report has been filed regarding you at WP:ANI here:. <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">-- ψλ  ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 20:07, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Arbitration statement by 173.228.123.166
Hi Andrevan, you've recently noted that 173.228.123.166's actions are similar to a banned user. I haven't read much of this, but would you care to share that analysis with me? The IP has asked for their statement to be copied to arbitration, and I am inclined to do it. If you're around, shoot me an email or find me on IRC. Best, Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 20:52, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

May 28,2018 - AN/I Notification
A report has been filed regarding you at WP:ANI here: <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">-- ψλ  ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 02:32, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Final warning
Any more editing restriction violations such as this will probably result in a topic ban. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 15:32, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Careful
Friendly warning: be careful that your COI claim isn't considered WP:OUTING. -- Scjessey (talk) 16:57, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Notice that you are now subject to an arbitration enforcement sanction

 * This morning I was literally typing up a sternly worded message under the heading "Final Warning" which I abandoned when I saw NeilN issue a separate final warning and topic ban. So instead I'm going to give you some advice: Take the topic ban seriously and don't push the boundaries by trying to continue disputes with users you've been in conflict with. Just un-watchlist all pages and user talk pages related to American Politics.
 * Also I noticed that you haven't responded to any of the previous advice, concerns, and warnings that users (including myself) have left on your talk page. Perhaps you're one of those users who thinks it's cute for whatever reason to never edit their own talk page? Whatever your reasons, you should realize that it's uncollaborative, a bit rude, and frankly incompatible with anybody interested in doing any kind of administrative work.
 * Lastly, I don't want you to think that you've been topic banned for attempted outing. That was just the last straw. Your biggest problem from what I can see is something that you apparently haven't realized is a problem yet, despite almost everybody else trying to point it out to you. I hope that this topic ban can give you the distance needed to find some perspective. ~Awilley (talk) 18:03, 29 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I just looked at Andrevan's edit history because I remember him accusing several veteran editors of being paid Russian trolls. I noticed that several of his comments have had the history deleted. Without going into details such as who got accused, could someone please tell me the general nature of the deleted edits? --Guy Macon (talk) 21:51, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * It was from a discussion on NeilN's talk page, basically outing. PackMecEng (talk) 21:57, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Uhhh...
I just noticed you have indefinitely blocked 101.103.154.182 as a vandalism-only account, but according to this wikipedia page, they cannot be considered vandal-only accounts because they may be shared by many users and according to this, IP addresses shouldn't be blocked indefinitely... -24.180.251.38 (talk) 18:20, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Blocked for topic ban violations
After your topic ban, you went to User talk:Jimbo Wales, not to appeal your topic ban, but to discuss the topic and ask Jimbo Wales to intervene by blocking other editors.. You were warned there that you were violating your topic ban ("For someone who has been topic banned from editing Trump related things you sure are still talking about him everywhere. Just saying. --Tarage (talk) 21:21, 29 May 2018 (UTC)" or even today: "Is it not considered poor form for a topic banned editor to come here asking for other editors to get banned from the same topic? Lepricavark (talk) 03:38, 31 May 2018 (UTC)"), but you claimed that your posts were a valid use of the "appeal to jimbo".

However, Banning policy claerly says, under "Appeal to Jimbo Wales": "A topic banned editor cannot discuss the topic ban or topic on Jimbo's talk page, but is allowed to appeal the topic ban to Jimbo Wales. " (emphasis mine). Your posts were not an appeal of your topic ban, but a discussion of the topic and a request to sanction others. Yet you posted things like this and continued the discussion (" I just asked if he would go and find some deserving editors on the other side and ban them as well. Andrevan@ 03:23, 31 May 2018 (UTC) ") despite the whole section being a clear topic ban violation.

You have been blocked for 24 hours. Fram (talk) 07:53, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you
As another editor topic banned due to a POV-pushing tag-team, I applaud your behavior as exemplary and condemn the collaborators acting against both you and the quality of the encyclopedia in the strongest possible terms. EllenCT (talk) 17:08, 1 June 2018 (UTC)


 * "In the clearing stands a boxer, and a fighter by his trade;


 * And he carries the reminders, of every glove that laid him down,


 * or cut him till he cried out, in his anger and his shame;


 * 'I am leaving, I am leaving', But the fighter still remains..."


 * --The Boxer by Simon & Garfunkel


 * --Guy Macon (talk) 18:48, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
 * (Humour) or (Humor) ...I think the whole point of a crat...is that they're never meant to come out of their corner. That's left to grunts. That's us. IMHO. Etc. —SerialNumber54129  paranoia / cheap sh*t room 19:06, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions templates
Just be cautious about making changes to these as you are affecting the editing restrictions placed by other admins. See Arbitration_Committee/Discretionary_sanctions That's why I posted here. You may want to sync up that template as well. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 21:11, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
 * By transclusion, he's modifying many Donald Trump talk pages, in vio of his topic ban. In terms of effect on the talk pages, these changes are more significant than mere editor comments. I doubt this would be considered ok if the material were physically in the pages rather than in a transcluded template, and the technical details should be irrelevant to the ban. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  21:49, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm about to head out for a while but let me think about this. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 21:56, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Chill out
Andrevan, some of your actions are causing wider community concern. Often this situation arises when someone feels feel pain—and consequently anger, which is in one way a reasonable response to pain. I'm sorry if that's the case. A good course of action, for you, would be to reconsider your role as an admin. My suggestion is that you down tools and recharge your batteries as a regular editor, then re-apply after a while. It would be a good to re-ground yourself that way, and would garner respect in the community. Admin stuff doesn't seem to be doing you any favours at the moment, and you're "fighting back". Please consider. <b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b> (talk)  02:20, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree with Tony. If you do believe there is systematic whitewashing across articles relating to American politics, the bare minimum I think would be to relinquish the bureaucrat flag which supposedly demands higher consistency in exercising good judgement. Without the bureaucrat flag, your actions would have carried far less weight than they have been, and would carry less weight moving forward in the foreseeable future if you do agree to take a break from the advanced permission flags even if you haven't been using them at all in the related incidents to this point. Just my personal thought. Alex Shih (talk) 09:20, 2 June 2018 (UTC)