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Project Eurovision
Hi Andrew,

I noticed your post at the RfC on Project Eurovision, and felt that it would be appropriate to further explain the history of what has been going on. The whole situation began weeks ago when I posted a friendly note to one particular user regarding a PROD on the article Elitsa & Stoyan. The user appeared to have misinterpreted my friendly advice as being hostile, and further went on to accuse me of "ordering them about", despite the fact that I never did such action. I then asked the user if they would like to help me with a task on behalf of Project Eurovision - again the invite was made in a peaceful manner. But the user got hostile and basically said that they'd rather not work with me. A simple "no thanks" would have been sufficient, but they decided to personalise the issue instead.

Since then, I have been bamboozled as to why the user has such a negative attitude towards myself, and yet a polite attitude towards others. I had contacted another member of Project Eurovision in confidence, as I was starting to get seriously distressed to the behaviour I was being subdued to. I was advised by that member (who is also an admin) that I should offer an olive branch of peace, which I did. But the peaceful reconciliation was thrown back in my face again with such negativity. I since re-offered that branch of peace via the project talk page. But as you may have seen, the user replied stating they had no idea what I was questioning about, and invited me to their talk page to discus the matter further. I accepted their invite, and asked the question there. But to my surprise, the user actually knew what I was going on about via the project talk page. Why would someone be deceitful and say they haven't a clue what I'm talking about in the first comment, only to then say they actually did know in a second statement after inviting me to discuss the matter elsewhere? You can see here that I have offered an olive branch of peace, only to be told bluntly "no", and then they admit that they purposely "made one or two comments that were out of line in regards to you".

I have done my damned hardest to be civil and polite towards the user, but when they don't seem to appreciate that someone is trying hard to restore peace and continue to be indirectly hostile, then how does one expect to feel? Their behaviour towards is depressing and demoralising. I would have gone to WP:WQA but that no longer exists. The admin person that I spoke about above, also contacted me privately as they noticed the negativity from that user towards myself, and asked if I wished to take matters further with Admin Intervention. But I politely declined their advice at the time, as I didn't think it was fair on the other user that they be screened in such a way at mediums such as ANI. I just don't know what else to do, or where to go with this matter, as it is starting to cause distress and effecting me on a personal and mental level.

Any advice on how to resolve the matter would be appreciated, as I don't know how much longer I can cope with one user just attacking my slyly, and not just via talk page, but also via the email function - and the comments sent via that method from the user are more serious and disgusting than any of the ones posted via talk pages.

Apologies for coming here with this burden, but I really don't know where else to turn to. Regards, Wesley ♦ Mouse  15:57, 20 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Wesley. Thanks for coming here and posting this and my apologies for the delay in getting back to you. Yes, it's a tough one, but I have to say not uncommon. In many ways the bit about writing an encyclopedia is quite easy compared with the hard job of getting on with the other people who are also on the site! I can only speak from my personal experience in terms of what I have found to help and I hope that is useful. Firstly, focussing on the article itself, the content dispute, is often easier than a discussion on behaviour. Ultimately, if we de-personalise our disputes and just focus on the joint task of working together to write this fantastic encyclopedia then this can help. The old adages of WP:AGF and WP:NPA can be surprisingly effective! Where we do have a dispute, I also think focussing on the third parties is also useful. Asking ourselves "how would this look to an outside observer" is a useful litmus test before posting something. Would they see me as raising a legitimate challenge or as part of the problem? Finally, never feel ashamed in taking a break if you find you're not being constructive or positive. After all, there are plenty of areas on Wikipedia that need our help!


 * I hope this has been useful in some way, and please let me know if I can help at all. AndrewRT(Talk) 21:50, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Andrew, and thank you for the kind words of wisdom regarding this matter. Unfortunately the whole scenario came to a rather abrupt end, despite my efforts to resolve the situation.  As you may have seen on my own talk page, myself and the user involved held a lengthy discussion, and again I sought peace - but to no avail.  The other user declined the offer of peace, and instead of pursuing an act of peace I decided to leave things be.  We both came to a mutual agreement of an unofficial interaction ban, which if I'm to be honest, has upset me somewhat.  All I ever wanted was to be seen as helpful towards others.  This is the first time that anyone has virtually thrown help back in my face.  So alas, I guess there is nothing more that can be done.  Again, thank you for taking the time to reply back.  Regards,  Wesley  ☮  Mouse  22:13, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Andrew,

I saw your discussion with Mayra on the Basel II subgroup on financial regulation. I responded to her statements in American Banker, but apparently hit the 'wrong key'. My response was much like yours but I posed a different question. My question was: would US companies abide to the laws of Saudi Arabia if they posed sanctions on trading with Israel (just an example, no second thoughts included).

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Paul van Dam Netherlands e-mail : damco@xs4all.nl — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:983:BE79:1:8DD9:F57A:F14B:763 (talk) 19:53, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Mayra Rodriguez Valladares : European Leaders Set a Bad Example on Bank Regulations
82.95.155.66 (talk) 19:56, 8 August 2014 (UTC) Hi Andrew,

I saw your discussion with Mayra on the Basel II subgroup on financial regulation. I responded to her statements in American Banker, but apparently hit the 'wrong key'. My response was much like yours but I posed a different question. My question was: would US companies abide to the laws of Saudi Arabia if they posed sanctions on trading with Israel (just an example, no second thoughts included).

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Paul van Dam Netherlands e-mail : damco@xs4all.nl 82.95.155.66 (talk) 19:56, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know Paul. AndrewRT(Talk) 20:47, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

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