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Administrators' newsletter – December 2019
News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2019). Administrator changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg EvergreenFir • ToBeFree
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Akhilleus • Athaenara • John Vandenberg • Melchoir • MichaelQSchmidt • NeilN • Youngamerican • 😂

CheckUser changes
 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg Beeblebrox
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Interface administrator changes
 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg Evad37

Guideline and policy news
 * An RfC on the administrator resysop criteria was closed. 18 proposals have been summarised with a variety of supported and opposed statements. The inactivity grace period within which a new request for adminship is not required has been reduced from three years to two. Additionally, Bureaucrats are permitted to use their discretion when returning administrator rights.
 * Following a proposal, the edit filter mailing list has been opened up to users with the Edit Filter Helper right.

Technical news
 * Wikimedia projects can set a default block length for users via MediaWiki:ipb-default-expiry. A new page, MediaWiki:ipb-default-expiry-ip, allows the setting of a different default block length for IP editors. Neither is currently used. (T219126)

Arbitration
 * Voting in the 2019 Arbitration Committee Elections is open to eligible editors until Monday 23:59, 2 December 2018 UTC. Please review the candidates and, if you wish to do so, submit your choices on the voting page.

Miscellaneous
 * The global consultation on partial and temporary office actions that ended in October received a closing statement from staff concluding, among other things, that the WMF will no longer use partial or temporary Office Action bans... until and unless community consensus that they are of value or Board directive.

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:47, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Pending changes reviewer extended
Hi Andrew Base. I'm writing to let you know that following your request at WP:PERM/PCR, I have extended your access to the pending changes reviewer permission such that there is no longer any expiration date. If you no longer want this permission, feel free to let me or any administrator know at any time, and we will be happy to remove it for you. Mz7 (talk) 01:57, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Disruptive Requests for Permissions/Status
Andrew, as I indicated in my comments at WP:PERM/NPR in my opinion, your looking for permissions and status has become disruptive. Since the start of September (or about 6 months in to your time here) about every two weeks you've been seeking a new PERM or some other form of status (e.g. being a CVUA trainer). Along the way you've had various experienced editors, including myself,, , and give you advice. Some of the advice you've taken - like Girth's suggestion you remove yourself as a trainer at CVUA. That's good and a credit to you. However, the bigger change in actions seems not to have happened. You are a capable editor. I hope you are here for the longterm. '''You have lots of options available to you right now for how you can contribute. Focus on those for at least two months.''' Do not ask for any new PERMs (except a renewal of Pending Changes which expires in December) or otherwise seek any new sort of status. Repeatedly doing this is taking a fair amount of editor time to evaluate you and is causing the same conversation to play out again and again. It's become disruptive and so I am asking you to stop. Not stopping calls into question, at least for me, your ability to work in a collaborative encyclopedia. I truly want you to succeed but I also want to be clear just how troubled I am by your actions at this point. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:36, 12 November 2019 (UTC)


 * , hi Barkeep I requested the NPR rights because I felt I knew about the deletion policy and would be able to use the right properly but I was told to re-apply after 3 months. I agree with you and I won't be requesting new rights until 3 months. In the meantime, I'll focus on adding categories, short descriptions to new articles and nominating inappropriate articles for deletion alongside my CV work. Also, can I be granted the AFC reviewer rights since you told me that AFC is a good way to start out I feel I can use it properly, if you think I can misuse it then pls do not grant it and I'm requesting it since I'm familiar with the deletion policy. Whether or not I'm granted this right, I won't be asking for a new right within the next 3 months. Andrew Base (talk) 16:15, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Andrew - If you'd have just stopped at "alongside my CV work" you'd have hit the mark 100%. If someone else who comes here wants to grant you AfC I will not object. But you really are missing the point: the whole reason I posted was to ask you to stop requesting new stuff. And in reply you ask for something new? That's concerning to me. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:32, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Andrew - I just wanted to chime in again here. Please don't take this badly, but you should listen to Kudpung's and Barkeep's advice. They're both massively experienced in NPP, far more than I am, and I would always follow their lead in that arena. For what it's worth, I meant it when I said you had improved greatly as an editor - I really see the potential in what you are doing. Just don't rush it - keep editing, keep learning. Much of the stuff you would do at NPP you can do as a regular editor, such as nominating non-notable pages for deletion and generally participating at AfD, adding categories, researching and improving refs, adding maintenance tags, adding talk page banners... you just can't mark the page as 'reviewed'. So, if reviewing is something you enjoy, there's nothing stopping you doing useful stuff in that vein. Or, you could do more content creation work - I really enjoy that, and there are lots of accolades you can get in that arena, like WP:DYK credits, or bringing articles to 'Good Article' status. And when you need a break from 'hard' work, you can always go and spend a bit of time reverting vandals - always a useful way to spend 20 minutes when you're bored! Don't be discouraged, just think of it as an opportunity to expand your horizons in different directions. Good luck Girth Summit  (blether)  19:12, 12 November 2019 (UTC)


 * , hi Girth thanks for your advice and I shall listen to Kudpung and Barkeep's advice and will continue to contribute in the NPP area for two months and will then request the rights with a solid AFD track record and alongside I'll also continue my CV work using twinkle and huggle. Andrew Base (talk) 16:51, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

NPP School program
As per your question on my talk page and I know you just look at one of the participates NPPSchool assignments and final exam - As I tried to tell you before and hope you understand, but I guess I need to be a little more direct here, since you are intent to take up the NPP School program. (1). Do not commit the act of plagiarism when talking the program (2) Do not view "ANY" other participants program info even you are not taking up the program at the moment. You need to know to work on the assignment and not view/copying/plagiarize so you may learn what is needed and that is what you intend to do since you are so interested in becoming a NPP reviewer.08:15, 4 December 2019 (UTC)


 * , I haven't looked at any if your student's assignments but I looked at your NPPSchool tasks where there was a question Pls read WP:R2 and WP:NPPDRAFT. Please explain when to a new page can nominated CSD R2 and what should be considered when doing such move?, I went through the page but was unable to understand when to apply WP:R2 and hence I asked you. Andrew Base (talk) 12:59, 4 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Andrew, when I removed you from NPP program because you committed plagiarism and was asked to do constructive edits to gain trust before an enrollment in 6 months or certain user right will be given. For you to look at the My NPPSchool or any subpage of NPPShool material for trainers it is the same as looking ahead of what you will be talking the exam/assignment in the future. Moreover, I do not believe you look at my NPPSchool material but one of the participation NPP program. I say so because I have my reason. Just as if a person stole something and told not to do that again, and the offender would steal a bar of soap instead of a chocolate Mars bar and says well I did not steal soap and that is what you told me not to do - this does not fly. Same here - not viewing at any NPP Shcool material by any trainers or students sub pages in any shapes or forms - Period! You have attended CVUA program and the motto is civility, maturity and responsibility. Same here they apply especially maturity. Wikipedia is always here, be patient and do your counter vandalism work and be honest of your dealings and constructive edits to gain trust. Since you view the NPP School material, the six mouth to enroll will start today and if you do constructive work and not viewing any NPPSchool material the you can come back for enrollment on IST (UTC +5:30)  on June 5 2020. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 13:34, 5 December 2019 (UTC)


 * can you pls reduce the enrollment date from June 2020 to March 2020 like you previously told, I'll never look at any NPPSchool materials again. Andrew Base (talk) 15:15, 5 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Andrew, IST (UTC +5:30) on April 15 2020. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 16:00, 5 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Cass, thanks a lot I'll enroll the program in April 2020. Andrew Base (talk) 16:03, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Andrew, What part of " not viewing at any NPP Shcool material by any trainers or students sub pages in any shapes or forms - Period! You have attended CVUA program and the motto is civility, maturity and responsibility. Same here they apply especially maturity." you dont understand? You went and view one of the final exam of NPPSCCHOOL page again. You just behaved in a way that you can not be trusted and maturity is in question. The enrollment of NPPSCHOOl could only be start from June 15, 2020 instead of  April 15, 2020. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 13:26, 18 December 2019 (UTC)


 * , is it possible to see which editors view a certain page?Andrew Base (talk) 15:56, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter December 2019


This year's Reviewer of the Year is. Having gotten the reviewer PERM in August 2018, they have been a regular reviewer of articles and redirects, been an active participant in the NPP community, and has been the driving force for the emerging NPP Source Guide that will help reviewers better evaluate sourcing and notability in many countries for which it has historically been difficult.
 * Reviewer of the Year

Special commendation again goes to who ends the year as one of our most prolific reviewers for the second consecutive year. Thanks also to and  who have been in the top 5 for the last two years as well.

Several newer editors have done a lot of work with CAPTAIN MEDUSA and DannyS712 (who has also written bots which have patrolled thousands of redirects) being new reviewers since this time last year.

Thanks to them and to everyone reading this who has participated in New Page Patrol this year.

(The top 100 reviewers of the year can be found here)

A recent Request for Comment on creating a new redirect autopatrol pseduo-permission was closed early. New Page Reviewers are now able to nominate editors who have an established track record creating uncontroversial redirects. At the individual discretion of any administrator or after 24 hours and a consensus of at least 3 New Page Reviewers an editor may be added to a list of users whose redirects will be patrolled automatically by.
 * Redirect autopatrol

Set to launch early in the new year is our first New Page Patrol Source Guide discussion. These discussions are designed to solicit input on sources in places and topic areas that might otherwise be harder for reviewers to evaluate. The hope is that this will allow us to improve the accuracy of our patrols for articles using these sources (and/or give us places to perform a WP:BEFORE prior to nominating for deletion). Please watch the New Page Patrol talk page for more information.
 * Source Guide Discussion

While New Page Reviewers are an experienced set of editors, we all benefit from an occasional review. This month consider refreshing yourself on Notability (geographic features). Also consider how we can take the time for quality in this area. For instance, sources to verify human settlements, which are presumed notable, can often be found in seconds. This lets us avoid the (ugly) 'Needs more refs' tag. Delivered by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) at 16:10, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * This month's refresher course