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Archive from October 2004 to July 2005

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Be Bold!

Sam [Spade] 21:44, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Jupiter
No problem! Beauty of the system, eh? I always find it interesting to see how much there is to fix after I add something, lots of sharp eyes out there. Stan 19:26, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

== Hi! I'm sure you know that there is a deletion process. If you want to keep an article, feel free to vote for it, but don't removed it, that is abuse of process. Thanks, Trollminator 22:22, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

"Deep Web" research
"I've run queries past the Dictionary of National Bibliography via ATHENS before, for example, part of the hidden "deep web", and seen people cite Lexis searches or Dialog."

Can you enlighten me on this? Ihavenolife 05:42, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

VfD 'this land lyrics'
Are you going to change your vote on Votes_for_deletion/This_land_lyrics due to your comment? As of right now you've voted keep twice on something it looks like you don't support keeping. Thanks! hfool/Wazzup? 02:45, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Looks like there was a vandal on the page, see User_talk:Humblefool. Sorry to bother you. hfool/Wazzup? 17:29, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

morgenthau
Your version of the "controversy" section is fine with me. I was just making some small changes in the wording of what was there before, but I think that your rewrite is an improvement. The point that he never left Istanbul is not very significant, because I think that his report was known to be an amalgamation of reports from many people who worked under him. Best regards, Morris 03:24, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)

Dear, Shimgray, in the future if you see an entry in the timeline of inventions with whose date you disagree, please fix it rather than deleting the entry.

--Selket 03:36, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The Poseidon Adventure
Shimgray, thanks for your response given on the Reference desk. I've copied over the responses to Talk:The Poseidon Adventure. If you are able to find the notes you made, can you please update the page with that. Jay 09:40, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Kristallnacht
Can you please read my comment on Talk:Kristallnacht. Thanks -- Obradovi&#263; Goran  ( t al k  15:42, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

complaint
Quit removing my stories shimgray. Greg Ericson freepressinternational.com (User:Wingover)

Thanks
Thanks for the note about the Bearded Lady... Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 17:35, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Argh
Sorry to bother you at home, as it were, but while I was asking another how-to-merge question at the help desk, someone posted and made the page too big, so I was told I'd have to merge my post with something else. Ha. Ha. I don't know how to merge! That was my question! I managed to get "Heath toffee" redirected and renamed "Heath bar", but "Heath (candy bar)" refuses to join "Heath bar" by moving, so obviously I've missed a crucial part of the move/merge operation. And then...  Help! Before I do anything stupid. --Mothperson 22:42, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You did it! You did it! You did it!
I was considering how much easier it would be if I just cut and pasted, but I was nervous newbie, and thought if I were caught I'd have to go to Wikijail, which I know they have somewhere around here. Thank you very very much. And thank you, too, for any and all link clean-up at LOFNAP. -- Mothperson 23:39, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Grand Reopening
I am completely cross-eyed from googling, but the new Heath bar page is up, and since you made it possible (no good deed goes unpunished!), I am wondering if you'd take a look at it, and spot any egregious errors. I don't understand why my Ben & Jerry's is red, because the exact same thing is blue on LOFNAP. I think perhaps I need to read up more on linking. Thanks. --Mothperson 20:39, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thank you again, I really couldn't see that stuff. But I'm still wondering why my Ben & Jerry's isn't blue. But great - it's blue here! That's a big help. Not. The mysteries of Wiki. Also, when I deleted the note about the article being a stub, it disappeared from the list of stubs, but it hasn't reappeared anywhere else as far as I can tell. Have I consigned it to limbo, where only people who know it exists can access it? --Mothperson 00:20, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

That is interesting. I wrote the article on a word processing program (because I'm always losing stuff when I write here) and copied and pasted it. So the apostrophe probably did mess it up. So much to learn. I'm glad you're around to pester. Thank you, yet again, for revealing more of the Wiki Mysteries. --Mothperson 17:41, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hermes
I agree the picture looks dubiously recent for a 1920 aircraft carrier. At least the "sinking Hermes" will be authentic! Regards. PHG 23:18, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

James Oberg
Aloha. I noticed that you recently moved James Oberg to Jim Oberg. While I'm sure you meant well, I don't believe this move is correct. According to the relevant Naming conventions, we should use the most common name of a person or thing that does not conflict with the names of other people or things. According to a Google test, the most common name is "James Oberg" (31,800 hits), while "Jim Oberg" only gets 580 hits. See also: Naming conventions (common names). I will attempt to move the page back. --Viriditas | Talk 23:49, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. My take on it, is if there are two Jim Oberg's, we could disambiguate in a number of ways, such as using middle initials, or using parenthesis describing their profession in neutral terms.  The only time I've ever run into a problem is on the Emperor Norton article. You might want to check out that talk page for some interesting issues related to naming conventions. --Viriditas  | Talk 00:03, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Marina Mowatt
Thanks, yeah, I figured it out and deleted my question. :) RickK 08:20, May 5, 2005 (UTC)

You turned me into a candy bar
It's okay - it's been fixed. But I found my talk page listed under "U" in the candy bars! Still, if I'm going to be anything, a candy bar is far preferable to many other possibilities. Like serial murderer, or mold. Anyway, your help was more than worth my temporary transformation. --Mothperson 13:44, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

LOFNAP
A voice of reason. Yay. I'm not going to respond today as I've spent too much time trying to avoid becoming an entry on List of people who have self-combusted, and I'm getting a little irrational, but you make some good points. Thanks for entering the discussion. I will think about your ideas. --Mothperson 17:36, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for restoring Constantine
Anyway you can bring back the photos? I'm really sorry for being so ignorant.Kazuba 13 May 05

Much thanks!
Kazuba 13 May 05

Photograph copyright
(moved from front page)

I wasn't sure where to post this on your page. Hope it's OK. Copyright law has been through so many revisions lately that I'm no longer up on it. What's the copyright term for photographs? - Wjbean 23:32 May 31 2005


 * (moved from my talk page Wjbean 14:39, 2005 Jun 1 (UTC))
 * I'm not sure. (I can't honestly remember if I was talking in US or UK law when I wrote that...). I assume you're referring to Image:Seventeen.jpg?


 * Yes Image Seventeen.jpg is the one I'm referring to. It's a good photo of Siegfried. Looks professional.


 * Having done some more digging, this (http://www.leeds.ac.uk/library/rights/photos.htm) suggests that under UK law it's probably public domain. This (http://www.loc.gov/rr/print/195_copr.html) suggests ditto for American law; it was made before 1923. (I've changed the copyright tag on the image to reflect that)


 * If that's the case I can probably post the photo of Siegfried in his fifties. If you look at the history of the the Siegfried Sassoon article you'll see where I had a new photo placed and then reverted the page. You opinion of the new photo would be welcome. I'm going to bookmark the two links you give above.  Good information there. Wjbean 14:39, 2005 Jun 1 (UTC)


 * I didn't notice the thumb option until the second time I uploaded the photograph. Of course I'd reduced it's size by then. I'll simply upload it again. Perhaps you can review the 'fair use' clause afterward. Wjbean 20:15, 2005 Jun 1 (UTC)


 * Upload and placement in article Siegfried Sassoon. Take a look and tell me what you think. Wjbean 20:44, 2005 Jun 1 (UTC)


 * Added another photo from his service years. Moved this one to the left and the one taken by George to the right. This way the photos take a meander from top to bottom. Wjbean 23:05, 2005 Jun 1 (UTC)

I Screwed Up Again
I was trying to link to my user page from Wetman's discussion page and I found nothing. Instead of linking to my user page I created an article page Kazuba. How did I screw it up? How do I fix it so others can see my user page? Help! What's with all the stuff User:Wjbean/Wjbean 23:32 date? What does it mean and do? Kazuba 1 Jun 2005

Thanks a lot
User:Kazuba 1 Jun 2005

Looks like I screwed up again!
It would seem I put too much text in my User page. How do I take it back from revision 13:36. 13 Jun 2005 to 13:34. 11 Jun 2005? Where can I find more information about User pages? User:Kazuba 13 Jun 2005

Wow! That was cool! Thanks
User:Kazuba 13 Jun 2005

Theo RFA
Thank you for your support at RFA. I am glad that just the presence of my name can please you! --Theo (Talk) 14:22, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

TFD Vandalism
A heads-up: I haven't tracked down who did it yet, but if you look at WP:TFD, someone's moved your "User has only made two edits, &c" comments to pertain to other votes; you might want to fix them back to the votes you intended them for, as it currently reads as though you're objecting to Kelly Martin and MacGuyverMagic... Shimgray 12:34, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Aha - it was User:Thodin ... Shimgray

Thanks, I have cleaned them up, and noted down a possible fourth sockpuppet on. Thodin has been reported to WP:VIP. He must certainly think he is a VIP. Sjakkalle (Check!)  12:37, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

My RFA: Thanks!
Hi Shimgray!

Thanks for supporting my adminship! Sjakkalle (Check!)  13:49, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Environmental Chemistry
I was just thinking about the site not accepting Opera users. Even if the link is a reference and source, I don't think anyone could stop you from putting a "(Site does not accept Opera users)" or something along those lines beside the link. -- metta, The Sunborn  22:14, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Learning too much
I wish I'd never gone through those wretched obits today, but thanks so much for your help in showing me how to untangle these link snarls. --Mothperson 21:51, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Elvis has left the building
Goodbye Shimray. I'm just not cut out for Wikipedia. I have a deep distrust of men because of their love of power and their brutality. Each entry I added on here was met with suspicion and cold heartedness. I just can't handle that much, I know of no other way of saying this, hostility. Genuine curosity, at least mine, had no place on Wikipedia. People prefer to be comfortable with what they have thought and concluded. I do not make others, unlike myself, comfortable. I have been deeply wounded, but I'm used to it. So long. I'll be happier without Wikipedia. This is why ancient libraries and books are burned. intolerance and the love of power. I MUST BE RIGHT! My picture of reality CANNOT be DISTORTED! Wanna bet....I know mine is.User:Kazuba 25 Jun 05

Britannia Coins
These coins were introduced in 1987 with face values of £100, £50, £25, and £10.

They would have almost certainly been authorised by royal proclamation and I can say with 100% certainty that they are legal tender at their respective face values to any amount. That being said, I certainly would not exchange them at their face values! Whitaker's Almanac would be able to confirm most of this and probably provide a more authorative reference.

Britannia Coins

Thanks
Hi Shimgray, I just wanted to say thanks for your support on my RfA :-) Craigy (talk) July 5, 2005 20:29 (UTC)

Re: Vandalism
Not a problem. It's my job, ya know ;-) Linuxbeak | Talk | Desk July 6, 2005 16:19 (UTC)


 * Nope, it crashed on me as well. I don't know if you're an admin or not, but administrators have a button called "rollback". It's a useful tool, and it lets people rollback edits to the last good version (even if the vandal did multiple vandal edits instead of just one). I tried looking at the page first, but the browser went plop. I also noticed on the vandal fighter program (CDVF) that the edit that the vandal made was gigantic. So, basically, the guy destroyed your userpage, and I just reverted it with a click. Linuxbeak | Talk | Desk July 6, 2005 16:32 (UTC)

Battle of Britain Memorial Flight
To answer the question in your edit summary: no it is not numbered. It is a named unit. David Newton 6 July 2005 17:54 (UTC)

Memorial Flight
Aologies for the delay in replying but my computer has been playing up so I've not been around for a few days. Happily, the Spitfire on Planform is part of the BoBMF, it was built in 1941 at Castle Bromwich, is in desert camouflage and is a Mark Vb, serial AB910. I'll add that info to the pic captions and description. I've no info on the Devon. Best Wishes - Adrian Pingstone 7 July 2005 16:15 (UTC)

Koran
Thanks for your answer at WP:RD about the Koran. I am grateful. PedanticallySpeaking July 8, 2005 20:49 (UTC)

New user welcome
Hi, Shimgray, I noticed you posted a welcome on User:Rat144 instead of on the talk page. I've taken the liberty to move it, if that's all right with you. Regards, Sango  123  03:12, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Nah, I don't hit people. A nice WikiHug suffices. :) Sango  123  14:08, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

You are
a big part of why I think the Wikipedia reference desk is one of the great wonders of the world. Thank you so much! --Mothperson cocoon 15:30, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the welcome :) --Scottf9 15:30, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Image protection
I meant that both Image:Joburg top.jpg on English Wikipedia and Commons:Image:Joburg top.jpg had to be protected. If only the Commons page were protected, someone could just load something else on top of the English Wikipedia page.--Pharos 02:35, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Sango's RfA
Hi, Shimgray. Thanks for supporting my RfA! I will try my best to demonstrate that your endoresment was well-placed and wield the mop responsibly. Sango 123  01:22, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

Lunar geology

 * ...Geology of the Moon... ...tektite...
 * It seems vaguely crankish to me, but I'm not entirely sure what's going on here... any comments would be appreciated. Thanks! Shimgray 20:14, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
 * It seems vaguely crankish to me, but I'm not entirely sure what's going on here... any comments would be appreciated. Thanks! Shimgray 20:14, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure either, except to say that the said content on the Geology of the Moon page is a duplicate of what appears on the Tektite page, so there's a lot of reduncancy that should probably be primarily located on the Tektite page. I'm certainly not a geology expert, but I'd have to say that the results are interesting but probably preliminary. The surface of the Earth and the Moon are similar enough in composition that parallel processes could be at work. So I guess, like you, I'm a little skeptical about the motivation. Thanks. :) &mdash; RJH 21:24, 5 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I was "bold" and merged the whole glob onto the Lunar meteorite page, where it seemed more appropriate. Some of the same stuff was already on that page anyway. Thanks. :) &mdash; RJH 21:48, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

removal of ASINs
Why are you systematically removing all ASINs? Please stop. ASIN numbers are generally only used when a book is too old to have an ISBN number. ASIN numbers are perfectly valid for use in this case. Kaldari 00:11, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I disagree with you strongly. In the case of a book having no ISBN number, an ASIN can be useful, especially if the book has a name similar to other books. Regardless, unilaterally deleting content across hundreds of articles is not something to be undertaken lightly. Unless you want to piss off several hundred editors, I would suggest you propose a policy before undertaking such an initiative. In the meantime, I would like to ask that you revert your ASIN edits. Kaldari 00:33, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm very familiar with what an ASIN is, as are most people who do research professionally. Yes, ASIN numbers are owned and created by Amazon, but they are often used in other contexts for lack of an alternative. If you have an alternative to suggest, I'm all ears, but deleting useful content is not the solution. Kaldari 00:51, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * And regardless of your rationalization, without any sort of policy proposal (or even discussion) on Wikipedia, your edits will be treated as vandalism by many editors and simply reverted. Thus I'm afraid you are only creating needless extra work for editors without any appreciable benefit. Kaldari 00:58, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Also, I apologize for the vandalism listing. I should have assumed good faith. Considering that you were editing an article per minute, however, I wanted to make sure that it was stopped as soon as possible. Kaldari 01:04, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks ever so much for being reasonable. I think this is definitely an issue that could use some broader discussion. I apologize once again for biting your head off. I'm certainly willing to entertain the idea of removing ASINs from Wikipedia, but personally, I consider them useful, and I imagine others do as well or else they wouldn't have been added in the first place. That said, I am certainly open to other points of view. Also, I think it might serve your cause to create some alternative citation templates that do not require book identification numbers. Otherwise, many citations for books without ISBN numbers will look malformed if the ASIN numbers are removed. Kaldari 01:16, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Also, I have removed the VIP notice per your explanation. Kaldari 01:17, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for removing ASINs that I had put in! I had no idea that they were an Amazon function -- I had thought that they were just some old pre-ISBN standard. I read the talk page and I DO agree that they should not be usedd. So, thanks for improving my article! Herostratus 18:12, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Er
If you'd rather not have it, that's okay. You can remove it. The sentiment will remain. --Mothperson cocoon 15:47, 10 August 2005 (UTC) Look at your user page. --Mothperson cocoon 16:14, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Areas of Edinburgh
Template:Areas of Edinburgh has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Templates for deletion. Thank you. The JPS 13:14, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

HMS Canopus
Are you sure it was a second-rate? I had understood that second-rate generally had 90–100 guns. Gdr 15:37:09, 2005-08-15 (UTC)
 * I checked in N.A.M.Rodger and 80 guns were rated third in 1797. Gdr 10:44:47, 2005-08-16 (UTC)

VfD
Hi Shimgray. I saw you comment on the David Nelson vfd, but there does not seem to be a keep or delete vote in it. If you intended to vote but forgot, you may wish to consider adding it. Thanks.— Encephalon | &zeta;  12:47:38, 2005-08-16 (UTC)

Your welcome
Thanks for the welcome. Very kind of you. Clair de Lune 04:34, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Daniel Pipes
Unprotected now. Thanks! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 19:43, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Error on legend page?
Hi! Thanks for the welcome to wikipedia. I was looking through the links you added to my talk page. I had a question on one of the pages linked to through one of them. In the Edit Summary Legend page the section on capitalization says: caps is for those instances when every letter of a word is capitalized, when the word is to be made ALL CAPS. lc and lcase mean lowercasing the first letter of some word, and uc and ucase mean uppercasing the first letter of some word." The examples it gives though, look like:
 * ucase: Bill clinton
 * lcase: BILL CLINTON

The formatting of the lines seems odd with one being italicized and the other not, but mainly what I was wondering about was the lcase being used for the all caps. That seems to contradict the definition above it. Am I missing something or which one is right? Thanks for the help.

ASchmoo 00:49, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Theodore Monod
I made a terrible mistake in my reading of an article at this website: http://wesley.nnu.edu/wesleyan_theology/theojrnl/06-10/09-2.htm

I misread the punctuation. I will correct my error.

Groupe Special Forces
...has been listed on WP:CP. Please discuss there whether or not it's a copyvio. Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 07:47, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

Re:Pittsburgh project
Thx. If you have any advice, let me know. I am fairly experienced at Wiki, but new to Pitt and to our universities projects. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 20:56, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Votes for deletion/Hacked
Thanks for notifying. Note that it's generally more convenient to put this up at WP:AN/I, it has higher visibility. Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 11:38, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

Wikimeet: London 11 September
You expressed a desire on the Meetup/London page to attend the 11 September meet, but inidcated that you wouldn't know until nearer the time whether you would be able to or not. This is just a friendly reminder, nearer the time, to see whether you are likely to be attending. Thryduulf 12:12, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

NASA Photos
I notice you've been adding a lot of NASA photographs to early spaceflight pages. I just wondered if you were aware of the NASA Image Exchange at nix.larc.nasa.gov? It's an attempt at a "union catalogue" for NASA's image archives; if you're looking for images to illustrate these articles, it might come in handy, rather than having to dig through random webpages.

Apologies if you already knew about this, but it's sufficiently obscure it might be worth pointing out. Shimgray 12:54, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I pull them mostly off the same website, so I havent been exactly "digging through random webpages" as you put it. --ScottyBoy900Q 14:16, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support!
Dear Shimgray, thanks for your vote of confidance at my RfA. I'll try hard to make the soggy mop proud! &mdash; Asbestos | Talk   (RFC)  00:09, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your welcome

 * Sorry for the latecoming message (Jul '05)! Thanks for your welcome message and I found it handy enough for me to learn things quickly. Keep up your good work! Regards, Cheng 20:00, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Sugar Momma
Thanks for taking action on the Sugar Momma article. I originally put up the cleanup-nonsensical tag because I thought the content was completely worthless but at the same time, thought that it might be interesting to have an article that talked about the origins of the phrase. I was actually going to just put up a vote for deletion tag in a few weeks since nothing was being done. I'm not sure if redirecting a tag to Age disparity in sexual relationships is best thing to do though, but I want to talk to you first before doing anything since it's technically appropriate to redirect a pseudonym. --Solarusdude 19:21, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Image:Daggers.png
What fonts did you use for the daggers in Image:Daggers.png? I would like to use the fifth single dagger in my signature. Anointed Blade  01:29, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Lester Rodney
I've just reverted this to before the copyvio tag was added. You might like to let the anon (or whoever it was) know. Incidentally, the restoring admin didn't protect it, so it's been available throughout! -Splash talk 14:46, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome message
Thanks again. There's lots of good info in that message, and I'll be sure to read it all. It's nice to know that there's kind, good members of Wikipedia out there.

Jonathan Eddy 21:46, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Removal of Masthead from National Space Society wikipage
Revision as of 12:34, 30 September 2005 Shimgray (Talk | contribs)

rm masthead - not their site

Oh really? How ‘bout checking out the NSS home page for confirmation of that fact first? (It’s called *research*)

Go to www.nss.org -- You can't miss it; it's right at the top of the NSS home page.

WSpaceport 16:40, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Who's RfA
Thank you for supporting my masters RfA. He appreciates your support and comments and looks forward to better serving Wikipedia the best he can. Of course I will be doing all of the real work. He would have responded to you directly, but he is currently out of town, and wanted to thank you asap. Thanks again. --Who's mop?&iquest;? 20:44, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Changing the NSS wikipage (again)
Sir -- You are beginning to try my patience.

Are you a member of NSS? Have you ever read its publication, Ad Astra?

If not, then you are in no position to decide what is or is not relevant to what the organization does and chooses to be associated with.

Kindly wait until more experienced eyeballs from the organization are able to review and make any necessary and/or appropriate changes.

WSpaceport 02:09, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

How to win friends and influence people (suggested good read)
I hope you enjoy a restful sleep and awake refreshed and in a less cantankerous mood.

While I appreciate your insights and can understand some of your explanations, your tone and perceived attitude (based on your postings) could perhaps use a little room for improvement.

Hopefully, the corrections and appropriate additions I've recently made to the pages in question will meet with your (and fellow wikipedians) approval.

Considering my vast experience in this venue has been over a period of 24hrs, perhaps a little slack and a mea culpa or two from both parties would be in order.

WSpaceport 03:58, 1 October 2005 (UTC)


 * ... is something of an art!, and, boy, do you have it!! For all these years, I never ever knew of the Home/End etc. keys functioning in a browser unitl your response to my very simplistic "Back to top" Q? left carelessly on the WP:HD talk page. Thank You. VivekM 23:59, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks again. Meeting you made me do this immediately. :) VivekM 00:35, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar!
I conflicted with you trying to remove the linkspam from Scotland and did some digging into your contributions. My investigations led me to conclude that you deserved some recognition. --GraemeL (talk) 16:37, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support
Thank you very much for your support on my nomination for adminship. Now that I have been made an admin, I will do my best to live up to the truest you and the community have placed in me. If you ever see my doing something you think is incorrect or questionable, or does not live up to the standards that should be expected of an admin, please let me know. DES (talk) 15:52, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Ammo ships
As I remember I was going by the Navsource.org website's classification of the ships. David Newton 14:03, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

question
Shimgray, we talked a while back when you left a message on my talk page about NASA photos, so i thought i would drop you a line since you're semi-familiar with my work. i'm currently running for an admin position so i thought i'd let you know if you wanted to check out the vote page. If you like my work and think i'm worthy, i'd appreciate you checking it out. thanks in advance and if you ever need anything drop me a message. --ScottyBoy900Q 01:34, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

following -> above, as the proposed policy is before this!
Yeah, thanks. Someone turned the order around but didn't notice that. I'm still not sure I don't prefer the old order, but whatever :) --fvw *  22:03, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Celestianpower is an admin
Thank you very much for your support - my bid (as you probably know) went swimmingly. I couldn't have asked for a better one. Thank you very much and I just hope I don't mess up! Perhaps I'm wrong but I don't think I've worked with you at all yet so you're vote meant all the much more. Cheers! --Cel e stianpower hablamé 12:28, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

My RfA
Thank you for your support on my RfA; I really appreciate it! I will do my best to live up to the trust you've shown in me. Thanks, H e rmione1980 18:59, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Adminship?
Per your comment on the mailing list, would you accept a nomination, then? --Michael Snow 16:39, 27 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Okay, I've started it off. Apparently, at least according to the current instructions, you're supposed to indicate your acceptance and answer the questions, then add the nomination to the main RfA page yourself. The process seems to be getting kind of instruction-creepy, but I guess that's how it works for now. --Michael Snow 20:36, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Why linkspam?
How do you decide what's linkspam? For example in your deletion of Morel's link (Bioy Casares article)Jclerman 14:19, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Find-a-Grave
Yeah, one tenth of a percent seems small compared to the amount of work to get that far ;-). Happy editing!  >: Roby Wayne Talk &bull; Hist &bull; E@ 17:19, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar
For your great work in the missing biographies, I, Quadell, grant you this rust-proof, durable barnstar. Keep up the good work! – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 01:53, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations!
I'm pleased to inform you that you are now an administrator. Please consider reading all the material on the administrators' reading list before testing out your new privileges. Though everything you do, excluding image deletions and page history merges, is reversible, you should nevertheless be very careful with your sysop capabilities. For instructions, please see the administrators' how-to guide. Good luck! &mdash; Dan | Talk 21:52, 3 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Congrats on adminship    Dl yo ns 493   Ta lk   04:18, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Keira Knightley
Hi, Re: your comment on Talk:Keira Knightley, "That would seem to allow as fair use thumbnails of magazine covers, aesthetic artwork, web pages, charts and graphs, still shots from movies and text of any kind (since it would be unreadable) Note the comment of "since it would be unreadable". ". I think it was only referring to the text when talking about being unreadable. I think the point is we don't want to have images the copyright owner may want to license or sell in the future, so by displaying them Wikipedia may be damaging the market. I was wondering if some way to protect Wikipedia from this argument is to automatically deface fair use images when uploaded which would prevent them being saved for aesthetic purposes (i.e. as a screensaver), while still being able to make out their content for informational purposes. Arniep 00:29, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

CD36
My view on skimming it was that it was probably a copyvio, especially as it was uploaded, more or less fully formed, anonymously. However, the only web accessible matches were downstream, with at least one copyright violation of Wikipedia (no attribution, no backlink, no GFDL). Of course, it is quite normal for such papers to be on pay sites, with only an abstract online, for free viewing.

-- David Woolley 16:54, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Charles Ewart
Hi! I just wanted to let you know that I've added Charles Ewart to the Did you know? section of the War portal. Kirill Lokshin 01:48, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

GraemeL's RFA
Hi Shimgray, I am now an administrator and would like to thank you for your support on my RfA. I was very surprised at the number of votes and amount of and kind comments that I gathered. Please don't hesitate to contact me if I mess up in the use of my new powers. --GraemeL (talk) 14:38, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Spam
Please explain why you would delete primary resources and call them "spam" According to the RULES:

Primary source materials, such as text, a musical score, or media.

All the Thornton Burgess links that I added contain the original text for his works. They have also been illustrated to encourage young children to re-discover this master of story telling.

If you are "applying the rules"please apply them fairly


 * I removed the links added to Thornton Burgess because in my judgement:
 * they were not essential to the content of the article
 * they were clearly added with the motive of promoting an external site, complete with descriptive text phrased as advertising
 * they were a wide range of sites traceable to the same organisation, added by a source which was considered likely to be related to the original producer of that site, a good indication of spamming.
 * I encourage you to read Spam. External links is also useful...
 * What should not be linked to
 * 2. Links that are added to promote a site, by the site operator or its affiliates
 * 6. Sites that require external applications (such as Flash or Java) to view the relevant content
 * I encourage you to read these, and consider how you may usefully contribute to Wikipedia for the benefit of the encyclopedia rather than the benefit of external sources. This service is not here to give you, or anyone else, traffic. Shimgray | talk | 14:37, 23 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Also, regarding "the rules", note that the page already contains a link to source material, containing the original text in a perfectly accessible form. We have a useful link. We don't need to link to every single iteration of a public domain work. Shimgray | talk | 14:37, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the help
Thanks Shimgray for the help you've put forth into the entry i made regarding antifeminist. it is much appreciated and given me some loose idea of a starting point.Karlmathews 02:58, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

ps - it may be my utter ignorance, but upon looking at the help page for talk, i was unable to locate how to leave a message. It was only by chance my mouse pointer was left hovering over the + that i realised what i needed to do :)

Reply on Ahnenerbe
Talk:Ahnenerbe, just FYI :) Thanks for the info, look forward to your reply! Sherurcij (talk) (bounties) 14:35, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Addressing a bishop
I was about to quip that one just writes it on the envelope and then direct the user to bishop since I was absolutely certain that this article would give a real answer. However, much to my dismay I had to discover that it doesn't! If you have a source for your answer you could you maybe improve that article... Lupo 15:40, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Notable songs
Thanks for trimming this new list but I noticed that you removed a few songs from the list that were not adequately covered (did not have infobox) or did not have coverage at all [(You make me feel like a) Natural Woman)]. I have reverted some of your changes because the goal was to improve coverage. Thanks!  If you have any questions feel free to ask.--Reflex Reaction (talk)&bull; 13:57, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick response, no harm no foul...The one thing I tried to do but didn't finish before getting too late last night was remove obvious duplicates. If you feel like it feel free to remove the duplicates.  I got through the last 4,000 or so songs (~L-Z) before having to release it in the "wild" before it got too late.  I'll be working on it but any other help would be appreciated. --Reflex Reaction (talk)&bull; 14:05, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Anglican bishoprics
All you need to know is that it was a pain in the ass!!! :-) Took me well over an hour. It doesn't surprise me that I messed up one or two since I'm not knowledgable about bishops and such. I just went to the last versions before they were moved. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 18:32, 20 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Have fun! Make sure you kick the keyboard once or twice. :) I don't know whatever happened to that. I told the guy to go onto the Church of England site and ask about the moves. Apparently nothing came of it. It was like 30 moves with no discussion beforehand. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 18:43, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Gloucester City A.F.C.
Hello, I put the name of Gloucester City A.F.C. on my watchlist, if you have time, how about we work together to expand this page of Gloucester City A.F.C.??

Rakuten06 14:40, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Gloucester City A.F.C. website
Okay, I have a website for the players name and results or history of the Gloucester City Tigers, If you don't want to help me, that's fine with me, I can't force you to change the decision

Gloucester City Tigers' players

Rakuten06 14:52, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for finding and fixing my errant paste-over error of Marine Aircraft Group 36. It was an inadvertent error during editing. &mdash; ERcheck @ 18:35, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

335th Fighter Squadron
In regard to your recent edits on 335th Fighter Squadron, I'd like to thank you. I just wanted to let you know that I appreciate your hard work and your initiative to improve this article and your support of my notion that this article was not a copyright violation. Thanks again and keep up the good work. -- malo (tlk) (cntrbtns) 04:32, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

ABLE ARCHER 83
Thanks for the touchup on ABLE ARCHER 83. Much appreciated Natebjones

RFA
Thanks for your vote. You said... PS: Is anyone else surprised at the lack of oppose votes?. Somewhat! Lets hope this isn't WP:BEANS as per Jkelly #20... William M. Connolley 00:11, 9 January 2006 (UTC).

History of Passport
Hi Shimgray,

You left a note on Talk:Passport that you have an article from 1861 on passports. I would love to read this. Can you send a copy? My e-mail is Seabhcan (at) gmail.com

Thanks,

Seabhcán 10:40, 9 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your efforts on this. If you have a digital camera, you could take a photo of the article. camera's above about 2 mega-pixel in good light take very readable images - often as good as scanning. Seabhcán 18:35, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

2nd Continental Light Dragoons
Thanks for fixing the image and comment for me! Marc29th 22:19, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikimedia UK
I noticed that you have not yet commented on the mailing list or Meta page about whether you want to come to the next meeting, and if so when you would be able to make it. There is a signup sheet at Wikimedia UK which it would be great if you could add your signature to sooner rather than later so we can get things moving. Thryduulf 21:53, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
Please refer to Wikipedia definition of vandalism. An explained deletion of irrelevant material (i.e. added with a POV under an inappropiate heading, as for Charles Kennedy entry) is not vandalism 86.30.28.203 23:02, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Meetup/Birmingham
This is just a reminder that the Birmingham meetup of UK Wikipedians that you have expressed an interst in is happening tomorrow. Sorry for the short notice. Thryduulf 15:24, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

RE:WP:AN
Hi Shimgray, thank God. I was getting worried about those comments. But I still stand firm that people shouldn't be blocked on thier beliefs. I think a witch hunt on users with beliefs might start soon. I think it already started with the blocks of Carbonite, El_C, and Giano. Although they were unblocked Carbonite has left Wikipedia and now Carnildo was blocked. What's with all the wheel warring? What a tradegy to befall on Wikipedia again. S W D 3 1 6 talk to me 23:33, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Poe link
What was wrong with the Lordjazz link? I'm just curious--you didn't seem to give a reason for the reversion. Nareek 21:37, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Ah, it was an anti-spam thing. I could imagine finding a great site that had a bunch of info characterized by person, and deciding to link a bunch of pages to the corresponding Wikipedia articles, but maybe this went too far. Anyway, I was mainly curious because that was I believe the first "real" edit after about 20 vandalism attacks over several days. Nareek 22:12, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

remington 870
Oops, I should have noticed that text got slipped back in again. Thanks for zapping it. aa v ^ 22:21, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Spam insanity
Thank you for the cool, calm and collected statements you have made about this silliness, especially at Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-02-06 Pschemp. Pschemp | Talk 05:27, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the message. ;-) M o e   ε  01:46, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Robert Stanek
Hi, Can you help me out here? I thought I'd found that his dad had also received the Distinguished Flying Cross (US) but I  can't see the name at Distinguished Flying Cross Society  - Roll of Honour can you figure out what I'm missing? Dl yo ns 493  Ta lk


 * Thanks for the info. I thought it implausible that such a recent award wouldn't be freely available online, but it looks as though it might not be.  I tried a download of the software suggested on the AfD  but it feels like going back to the early '80s and won't run on my PC.  I was rather guessing at the Korean award being his dad in the hope of somebody knowing about father/son or other unusual award patterns.  There seem to be very many awards of this cross, so he's not notable just for being a (unverified) recipient.   Dl yo ns 493   Ta lk  15:59, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: Robert Stanek
I voted for deletion because this is a biography of a relentlessly self-promoting vanity press author with an apparent penchant for ripping-off Tolkein.

For another clear-cut case of something that needs to be deleted, I urge you to take a look at the Dirty Sanchez. This is such a clear case of something needing to be deleted, I thought bringing it to AfD would be a mere formality, but there are apparently some who haven't read the rules for deletion and think that a dicdef that has been transwikied needs to stay. BrianGCrawfordMA 19:29, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Quote in Village Pump policy
What exactly is the quote you left me in Village pump policy and what relevance does it have? Myrtone (the strict Australian wikipedian)(talk)

Looking for articles to work on?
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Ensign Ewart
Hey Andrew, I was just reading your article on Charles Ewart--nice work. Just wondering, when you were researching it, did you find anymore information on him? Specifically, did you happen to come across his parents names? Cheers. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 10:47, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Image:Luftwaffe Panavia Tornado.jpg on commons
I speedied it. pfctdayelise (translate?) 00:55, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Bishop Vesey's Grammar School
I have this article on my watchlist already, however, when it comes to looking at it, I see that the vandalism has already been reverted. However, it will remain on my list and I will make sure that all vandalism is reverted. - Erebus555 16:31, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

IMVU edits
I'm starting to take some time to learn what I can about wikipedia so that I can contribute most effectively. I saw your entry to the IMVU:Talk regarding some revisions that you had to make. I'm confused about some aspects, such as why I can't seem to see an entry for your edit in the history. Thanks for helping me understand this better.
 * -Thanks, TJJFV 02:12, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Revert clashes
I think what happened was that the vandal had made a total of 4 edits to the article, but not all of them showed in a single 'recent changes' entry (as sometimes happens - it will say e.g. 2 edits by ipnumber and let you compare the most recent edit to the last version by someone ELSE) - so when I used popups to revert it simply reverted from the vandal's most recent edit to one of the three previous ones - had recent changes displayed (4 edits by...) as the diff option then the revert clash would not have been a problem (both I, and the other person who reverted, would have reverted to the same version) Cynical 13:57, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

FV 432/430 series
Why didn't you go for a rename on the original article rather than create a stub of an article AND the FV 432?GraemeLeggett 08:34, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

User 217.41.19.230
Hi, I noticed that aforesaid user has reverted one of your reverts of his previous edits. I'm not entirely sure what is going on, please could you clarify. Thanks --GW_Simulations 20:18, 30 March 2006 (UTC)