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Dead links
Hi, Thanks for trying to wikify the bttn. information on the 8th Armored Division article, but there was no article on the TD Bttn so you've created a dead link. Std. style sheets advise against creating 'dead' wiki-links.--Lepeu1999 (talk) 13:48, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Apologies. I was under the impression you were supposed to create the article first.--Lepeu1999 (talk) 18:58, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. I notice you're a Tank Destroyer aficionado?--Lepeu1999 (talk) 20:04, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool! Nice talking to you.--Lepeu1999 (talk) 20:13, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

70th Tank Battalion
Hi Andrew. I was not aware you have been on Wiki for so long, but the issue with references is a pertinent one. Essentially whatever you write needs to be largely attributable to some reputable source. A website that refers no one in particular is at best an external link. You will have a problem with the 818th Tank destroyer because there are hardly nay records of it left as one of the web pages you used says.--mrg3105 (comms) ♠ ♥ ♦ ♣ 12:27, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Andrew, I take little notice of MOS now because it changes daily in some policies and guidelines. What I know is that there is little point in using wikipedia if I can find the material myself. While most people who use wikipedia generally do not have the patience to look for better sources, I think that editorialship kind of comes with the "extra effort required" tag :) I'm not obligating you to anything, but there are lots of resources for finding good references online; a far cry from the days before internet when I had to go to four different libraries and wait weeks to get my book from interstate. In the case of the 70th you have the entire unit history for WWII online, and can probably find more; certainly for the 1st bn since Germany is well covered. Personally I do not consider any stub to be a proper article until it has at least three published sources listed, which is why there is a template for single source articles--mrg3105 (comms) ♠ ♥ ♦ ♣ 12:59, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

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52nd Foot
Thanks for all that info you provided for the 52nd Foot at the ref desk: a big help. Gwinva (talk) 21:58, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, if only we could find time.... If you ever find any on your hands, feel free to contribute to British Army during the Napoleonic Wars. It's a large topic, and a bit of a side project for me (I wanted some context for my 52nd Foot, and was surprised to discover WP didn't really cover it), and so work is rather slow.  Haven't even started on the cavalry section yet, let alone the rest.  Gwinva (talk) 22:29, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

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Yeah, I've protected some of them, I'll try and get through the rest. Hut 8.5 19:10, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

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According to discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Business and Economics, the project name has been changed to WP Business. I would like to update the template to note the name change and change the cats but you have protected the template. Any chance of getting it lowed to semi? Thanks! --Patrick (talk) 04:41, 4 August 2008 (UTC) Thanks! --Patrick (talk) 13:08, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Image for roller ship
Hi - have you seen the image at ? In context at, it states that it was published in Le magasin pittoresque, a contemporary magazine which ceased publication in 1912. As it was presumably drawn by Bazin, it looks almost certain to be in the public domain. Warofdreams talk 11:58, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I can hardly believe someone used your roller ship article as an also-ran DYK. I thought it was a standout for the pic spot! Anyhow - great article. Gatoclass (talk) 05:23, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Convoy SC-7
I noticed you “tidied up” the references here; I’ve put them back to the way they were. The ISBN numbers were that way because that’s how they appeared in the book; I don’t know that your way is any more correct. And I put ISBN (none) because the book had no ISBN number, not that I didn’t bother to check. I’ve replaced it to save a procession of editors wasting their time trying to find it. Xyl 54 (talk) 16:50, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

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Early thermal weapons
Thanks for your vote of confidence! I am certainly not averse to an FAC for Early thermal weapons: it was always my intention to take it that far, but one of the side effects of having too many pots on the stove is that some of them go off the boil. I left it simmering while I found a few more sources (I had a few things I wanted to expand) but I got distracted, and well... nothing's been done about it. User:Wandalstouring has also highlighted some things which need doing, so I suppose I really should get on to it, sometime... (By the way, thanks for "citifying" my ref list.) Gwinva (talk) 22:55, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

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Convoy article names
Are you happy with the latest proposal here? Your views would be appreciated. -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 08:17, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

dont remove right to bear arms
right to bears arms is not a fundamental right but was supposed to be on.same as right to private property is no longer a FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT.plz dont remove it. this is a an important right which must be highlighted.dont cover truth

Thanks for the insight
I greatly appreciate your help with the issue. Thank you very much. Do you think we should quote IHT on the topic as well? Thank you very much once again.

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Re: Funhouse Tour
I appreciate your concern but the article (in its previous form) violated many of Wiki's policies concerning both neutrality and style. Excessive footnotes are a violation of Wiki's Manuel of Style. There is no need (and frankly it is absurd) to have 20 different references for tour dates. Also, it is appropriate to have the full date (month, day, year) in the tour table. Additionally, there is no need to tell people not to add unconfirmed dates as this page has not had any acts of vandalism (that I have noticed) since its creation. It would be more understandable if that is the case. Again, I do appreciate your concern. Alkclark (talk) 04:09, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * In agreement with the above statement, there is absolutely no reason to have 20 different sources for tour dates. At the rate that it is going, you will have a different source for each tour date. There are four references for the tour dates with one of them (Pollstar) displaying every dates (thus far)and the other Live Guide displaying all Australian dates. If you are so concerned with editors posting false tour dates then simply use the page history (the cur/last feature) and see what dates have been recently added. You can easily verify the date with the sources featured and act accordingly. 64.140.0.3 (talk) 19:31, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Astonishingly, I know how to use the page history. Manually verifying things against a source (which no reader should ever have to do *anyway*) is not helpful, however, if those sources are of dubious reliability. Please see notes on talkpage; please also remember that repeatedly removing references requires a reason substantially better than you not liking them. Shimgray | talk | 19:40, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You are interpreting what I stated incorrectly. I never stated that references/footnotes/whatever were absurd, wrong or bad. What I stated was "excessive footnotes". Its no different then writing an English paper for class and providing a references to every single fact that you wrote in that paper. Its really unnecessary. This is about summarization. Alkclark (talk) 10:18, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks for rating "Lisa Lutz"
Hi, Andrew, thanks for rating Lisa Lutz as "Start Class". Can you tell me what needs to be done to get that ugly "Articleissues" box out of the article? cojoco (talk) 11:56, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks for the advice. cojoco (talk) 13:45, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi again, I've tidied up and added references for Lisa Lutz, and (hopefully) established some notability. Is this enough to lose that "Articleissues" ? Ta! cojoco (talk) 23:46, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks! cojoco (talk) 23:09, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Ship assessments
Please stop warring on these assessments. If you have a problem with them, please bring them up with those who have assessed the article as such or at WT:SHIPS or WT:MARITIME. Thanks, -MBK004 19:08, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't give-up. I'm usually an assessment machine with regards to ships. In the future you can come to me with a whole laundry list or user sub-page. (I'm an assessment gnome and actually like to do large chunks at one time) I'll go through your contribs and clean-up since if they've been untouched for that long there are some other things that need to be done to the tags as well. The reason I left you a message is that there is an extreme minority that you've reassessed from stub to start really are stubs even if they have an external link and infobox because of the length of the text. -MBK004 19:35, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

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What is your source for User:Shimgray/Election statistics? Why do you use hits instead of page views from http://stats.grok.se? Thanks, – thedemonhog   talk •  edits  02:32, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Woah, upon looking at your page again, I realize that I misread the information I was confused about. I mistook the redirect section as having cumulative numbers; ignore me and do not make any changes.  :)  – thedemonhog   talk  •  edits  17:07, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

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Megalictis ferox
Kudos - Excellent work on this article :) Raul654 (talk) 01:32, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Cerberus Class
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DYK nomination
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Saxon Brother War
Good work so far, just reminding you here that if you think of a good hook for a DYK let me know. Most likely we can wait for the article to be expanded a bit more then come up with something unique. I'll keep working on it later. --Banime (talk) 00:40, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey again, the article is going well as you can see. Also, good news, they can allow a "double nom" or whatever so we can both get a DYK once the article is ready and we have a good hook. --Banime (talk) 15:07, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, take a look at User:Banime/Sandbox where I put the suggested hook for our DYK. If you like or or want to change it let me know and we can put it up pretty soon. --Banime (talk) 16:30, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's up right now at Template_talk:Did_you_know, I'll keep an eye on it if they have any problems with it. Good luck now! --Banime (talk) 18:23, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

3rd Hussars
Thanks for the WWI filler for the article, kind of you. I've never undertaken an article for a army unit of this size, and I have to admit it's quite daunting! Skinny87 (talk) 09:26, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, there is! I'm volunteering at the regimental museum, and thought that since the records are there, I might as well improve their article and maybe get an FA out of it at the same time! I plan to do the 7th Hussars as well, but since its page is in a better shape, I chose the 3rd as my first candidate. Unfortunately, work is slow; none of the books can be taken out of the museum and so I'm relying on notes and photocopies until I go back next week to make more of each. A copy-edit would be greatly appreciated whenever you have the time; I think writing this article will take some time as it's so in-depth. Skinny87 (talk) 14:05, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Kunz von Kaufungen
I see you've already found Kunz von Kaufungen, if you have anything to add please do so. There may be a few more things in the Carlyle source. --Banime (talk) 21:53, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

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Press right to protect sources
In the #wikinews channel on IRC, I recently asked a question which I was told you might be able to answer. Journalists in the United Kingdom - as with elsewhere - enjoy the right to protect their sources. I was wondering under what specific law(s) this is suplied. If you have any ideas, I would be very grateful to hear of them. If not, no worries ;). Thanks, Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 20:17, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

CSD question
Hi - Your removed my CSD nomination from Sheena & The Rokkets with the note "not CSD material". I don't understand why it isn't CSD material; could you explain a bit please? Thanks, Ariconte (talk) 03:17, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the explanation. Ariconte (talk) 05:56, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

The History of British India
Under 'Published editions', you added after the first 'fifth' " ". You're right, of course. My mistake, I have corrected it. Thanks. Strawless (talk) 18:29, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem - I was going to correct it myself, but thought that if it was just a copy-paste error, it might be best for it to be checked properly. Excellent article! Shimgray | talk | 18:42, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Many thanks. The online editions are so useful. Strawless  (talk) 18:45, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Tetrarch ACR
Hey there! Responded to your points on the ACR if you have a minute to take a look! Thanks for commenting,Skinny87 (talk) 20:14, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK entry issue
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DYK nomination of Holy Deadlock
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705th TBD
Hey Shimgray. I noticed you asked for the 705th TBD to be assessed; how serious are you about working on the article? If you are, I might have some material about the battalion for the article. I have some bits and bobs about the Siege of Bastogne and the Bulge in general around here somewhere; John Toland's work in particular is quite old but good for narrative stuff for various units. If you're interested I can dig it out and see what it's got in it. Skinny87 (talk) 00:35, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

December 2008
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Re: ASIN
Alright then no problem. I'll undo my undo if you haven't already. The issue came up before if I recall correctly with Alleyway because I didn't have a ISBN number for one of the resources I'd used (the guide in question didn't have one), and I planned to nominate Reptile for FA down the road so I was hoping to avoid it as an issue when that time came.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 23:46, 28 December 2008 (UTC)