User talk:Andrewhainesmusic

Autobiographies
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate your contributions; however, it appears you may have written a Wikipedia article about yourself, at Draft:Andrew Haines (musician). Creating an autobiography is strongly discouraged – please see our guideline on writing autobiographies. If you create such an article, it may be deleted. If what you have done in life is genuinely notable and can be verified according to our policy for articles about living people, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later (see Wikipedians with articles). If you wish to add to or change an existing article about yourself, you are welcome to propose the changes by visiting the article's talk page. Please understand that this is an encyclopedia and not a personal web space or social networking site. If your article has already been deleted, please see: Why was the page I created deleted?, and if you feel the deletion was an error, please discuss this with the deleting administrator. Thank you. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:55, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Please, stop. The autobiography you are attempting to write is very far from being neutral in tone, which we require of our articles. Please understand that Wikipedia is not a means of promotion. You have a direct conflict of interest in writing an article about yourself. If you have questions, let me know. Thanks, --Hammersoft (talk) 15:06, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Again, I ask you to please stop. Your draft contains three sources; two of them are to your facebook page and your website. These are primary sources. These do not help to establish notability. That would be the same as us agreeing your are famous because you say your are famous. That doesn't work. The only other citation is to a web page that doesn't mention your name. That also does nothing to establish notability. We rely on reliable, secondary sources to establish notability. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:10, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Ok so how on earth do I get an article up if there are no existing secondary sources? How does a new artist get started?? Artists are told to create a wikipedia page for validity on google searches. Aren't apple music, spotify, pandora, YouTube, etc. all credible enough for an article. I have music on all platforms as of next Tuesday. And newspaper articles always site websites and even social media. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewhainesmusic (talk • contribs)
 * Please understand, I'm not trying to be rude in the following. I'm just trying to help you understand. The short version; you don't. As noted above, Wikipedia is not a means of promoting yourself. I don't know who is telling new artists to create a Wikipedia article for themselves, but they are quite wrong. This generates a direct conflict of interest, something we frown upon here. I'm happy for you that you have music on all social media platforms, but Wikipedia is not a social media platform. We are an encyclopedia. We are not a directory of all musicians. If no reliable, secondary sources have written about you, you aren't notable enough for inclusion in this encyclopedia. Please carefully read WP:NMUSICIAN, as this will explain in detail how we go about assessing whether a musician is notable enough for inclusion. --Hammersoft (talk) 00:20, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Andrew Haines (musician) (September 9)
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Hammersoft (talk) 14:58, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Andrew Haines (musician) (September 9)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Hammersoft were:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.


 * If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Andrew Haines (musician) and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
 * If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Andrew Haines (musician), click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "Db-g7" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
 * If you do not make any further changes to your draft, in 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
 * If you need any assistance, you can ask for help at the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:Afc_decline/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Draft:Andrew_Haines_(musician) Articles for creation help desk], on the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hammersoft&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:Afc_decline/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Draft:Andrew_Haines_(musician) reviewer's talk page] or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Hammersoft (talk) 15:07, 9 September 2020 (UTC)