User talk:AndromedaHeo2

Hi I am a new contributor so am just getting my head around the format. Please be gentle if I get it wrong. I notice my first post (edit revision 415590644) was removed but I cannot find a reason?

Best Regards AndromedaHeo2 (talk) 19:45, 24 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Reverted twice now. See WP:NOR, WP:VERIFY, WP:RS for starters. Don't take it badly, most new editors get reverted and virtually all experienced ones! Try editing something non-controversial first. Dougweller (talk) 20:51, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi Dougdweller

I have read the links you suggested and believe I have met the criteria:

1.WP:NOR, in summary says "No original research. must be attributable to a reliable published source" Clearly I am not taking credit for writing the Bible, its not my Original Research.

2. WP:VERIFY, in summary says "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth; that is, whether readers can check that material in Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true". Clearly what I have written is verifiable, pick up any bible in any language to read the reference on Iron work in Genesis 4:22

3. WP:RS, in summary says "Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published sources, making sure that all majority and significant minority views that have appeared in reliable, published sources are covered".

Wikipedia has a whole page dedicated to The Bible http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible So clearly its a verifiable and reliable published source, in fact its says on that page its the best selling book in History

I note your comment on controversy, with respect I am not editing on the Bible itself I was editing the Iron Age page and I believe the fact this reference to Iron working in the fourth millennium B.C is extremely noteworthy and informative to researchers. If there were other sources attributing iron working in various cultures to the 3 and 4th millennium B.C then I would have made reference to them also, however to my knowledge there is not.

The Bible has been used by many scholars over many centuries to peer back into history or reference real people at a given time; for instance, in 1879 The Cyrus Cylinder found in Babylon, Mesopotamia (Iraq) is now housed in The British Museum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_Cylinder This is the same Cyrus mentioned in the Bible in several scriptures Daniel 6:26, Ezra 1:1,2 etc

There are many other real life characters mentioned in the Bible that are undisputed, Tiberius Caesar, Augustus Caesar, Pontius Pilate, Nebuchadnezzar, Some have been disputed until archeological evidence has proven their existence for instance Belshazzar mentioned in the bible at Daniel Chapter 5 see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belshazzar

I could provide more references to show real people and real events recorded in the Bible, however I was commenting on Iron Age working not the authenticity or verifiability of the bible, the fact that other characters mentioned in the narrative form in the Bible have proven to have existed then there is no reason to not accept Tubal-Cain as a metal worker is quoted as a real person also.

Added weight is the context given by Moses was not for the purpose of proving Tubal-Cain as the first recorded metal worker it was mentioned in the narrative when discussing early family lineage, that indicates a great degree of authenticity, because there was no other purpose or ulterior motive by Moses to mention Tubal-cain as a metal worker.

I believe my edit is Valid and could be of great assistance to archeologists, and researchers etc. I also read the Wikipedia notes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold

With all sincerity If I have not provided verifiable information or misleading or mistaken information I would be grateful for further comments and clarifications.

Best Regards

Hi AndromedaHeo2, I came here to ask you to explain at talk:Iron Age why you want this text included in the article. Are you asserting that Tubal-cain was a real person? Nev1 (talk) 23:35, 24 February 2011 (UTC)