User talk:Androvie

Aisha' Age.
You reverted an major point regarding aisha's age during her marriage to muhammad. Its a common belief in both sunni and shia muslims that her age is uncertain as well that she might me 18 or 19. The sources, I have gives demonstrate just that. Its a calculation that interested readers can do themselves when they access it. In Wikipedia, we have to provide views of all sides. Solve this issue so I can put that content back in to give more information to the readers! Izan Mehdi. (talk) 21:29, 12 November 2022 (UTC)


 * All those opinions are summarized at the bottom of the section. The sources you brought cannot be included in Wikipedia on their own, because they do not meet the WP:RS
 * Btw, have you read this one source that you provided?
 * https://islamqa.info/en/answers/124483/how-old-was-aishah-when-she-married-the-prophet
 * It actually refutes all the arguments that claims Aisha was not 6 or 7 years old when the Prophet married her. Androvie (talk) 23:10, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
 * How is it @Izan Mehdi. or your new account name @StarkReport? Have you read the content of the above source you presented that actually refutes all your points?
 * Here I quote some of the text from it:
 * Androvie (talk) 05:21, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Ayesha age.
Have you even read my sources I have given in recent edits. None of them is from islamqa, the source your are trying to quote from. The sources I have given satisfies WP:RS as well as WP:OR. Carefully study them rather than reverting on impulse. Now you might be asking, what is the reason for putting it here, its a part of expanding and updating Wiki's articles. Out there among the Muslim scholars and people, this info is is accepted as fact by many, so the reason for this is to provide their viewpoint as well rather than concealing it. And no, its not a fringe theory in any way. StarkReport (talk) 10:25, 21 February 2023 (UTC)


 * It's funny that you left it out after knowing that it invalidates all the arguments you brought, including the one using the (weak) narration about Asma's age. Anyway, what you brought up was a fringe theory, which shouldn’t be given undue weight, but nevertheless the matter is included in the article (which I myself had to compromise on) in this part:
 * which is in accordance with this other source that you brought:
 * —Androvie (talk) 13:11, 21 February 2023 (UTC) Androvie (talk) 13:11, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * —Androvie (talk) 13:11, 21 February 2023 (UTC) Androvie (talk) 13:11, 21 February 2023 (UTC)


 * The source disputes the assertions in the same way as supporters of Sahih al-Bukhari would. I included it since it refers to the opposing side's allegations; I only omitted it in response to your complaint that it did not adhere to WP:RS. And it's funny that you did the same thing by using islamiqate which is in no way a neutral or reliable source.
 * Once more, we are simply giving the arguments for both viewpoints without making a judgement about which is superior or correct. The sources I have gives reflects the views of dozen of scholars as well as writers on the sunbject's age. StarkReport (talk) 11:00, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Funny how you dispute Sahih Bukhari because it is Sunni, yet your Shia scholar source, Ayatollah Qazvini, recalculates Aisha's age using Sunni narrations that are far weaker (such as those from Ibn Abi Zinad).
 * It was already refuted by your other source though.
 * If they wish to use Sunni narrations, why disregard the stronger ones, such as Sahih Bukhari, in favor of the very weaker ones? You allege that the Wiki page on Aisha contains cherry-picked information, yet it turns out that your source is the one who did it. Androvie (talk) 12:23, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Again, you are missing the point. We are acknowledging the contradictions between hadiths and the lack of consensus among many scholars and simply mentioning it on the page. The current info is cherry picked and it fails to present the complete picture. For example read the source its just to demonstate to you that there is indeed incompatible claims and while it's true that Sunni traditionalists disagree with some of the claims. We have already touched upon that matter in the article. StarkReport (talk) 10:25, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
 * So it is true that your shia scholar sources use sunni hadiths, but cherrypicked them, right? There are some scholars who say that the earth is flat, but that doesn't mean that there is no consensus that the earth is an ellipsoid. There is no contradiction in the saheeh hadith about Aisha's age, the report about the age of Asma in the theory you put forward is simply from a weak narrator that contradicts with other reliable narrators. Please read hadith authenticity evaluation. Androvie (talk) 12:30, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Again, you are missing the point. We are acknowledging the contradictions between hadiths and the lack of consensus among many scholars and simply mentioning it on the page. The current info is cherry picked and it fails to present the complete picture. For example read the source its just to demonstate to you that there is indeed incompatible claims and while it's true that Sunni traditionalists disagree with some of the claims. We have already touched upon that matter in the article. StarkReport (talk) 10:25, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
 * So it is true that your shia scholar sources use sunni hadiths, but cherrypicked them, right? There are some scholars who say that the earth is flat, but that doesn't mean that there is no consensus that the earth is an ellipsoid. There is no contradiction in the saheeh hadith about Aisha's age, the report about the age of Asma in the theory you put forward is simply from a weak narrator that contradicts with other reliable narrators. Please read hadith authenticity evaluation. Androvie (talk) 12:30, 23 February 2023 (UTC)