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How this adoption is going to work
Hi Amy. I'm glad you decided to be adopted by me, I'm sure I'll be able to help point you in the right direction and hopefully become a great editor. I mentioned before that I run a little adoption school, and I've set you up with your own classroom - here. In that classroom, I'll drop lessons - there's one there already - and when you have a little time, I hope you can read through, clicking on any links that interest you or asking questions about the subject when you want to. When you're happy that you get the lesson, let me know and I'll drop a test onto the page. Don't worry, there's no pressure, the test is simply designed to check you've read the lesson and that you're thinking about the topic. I only ask that you explain your answers - not simply put "yes" or "no". Does that all make sense?

Finally, the classroom has an associated talk page - which is where we can chat about anything that's bothering you or anything problematic areas that need to be brought up. That can be found here. It's much less public than this page and I've put a note at the top pointing out that it's not meant as "public comment", so it's as private as you can get on wikipedia. Feel free to add these pages to your watchlist, and I'll see you on the other side! WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 09:34, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Despite the fact that Worm just posted the links to what is supposed to be a private talk page on a public talk page, this user is really experienced and I hope you are successful in being mentored.— cyberpower ( Chat )( WP Edits: 521,933,671 ) 13:42, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It's private, yes, but only so private. I'm sure other editors could find it with ease - so I intentionally posted it here to ensure that Amy would be aware that other people would be able to find it and it doesn't come as a shock when they do.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 13:46, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Just to mention, you're doing well so far... there's a few more questions to go when you get a chance :)  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 16:24, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Warning
Comments like this are completely inappropriate and if I see anything like this again from you I will be blocking your account. Your comment is especially inappropriate in light of the fact that Eagles247 has voluntarily offered to stay off your talk page for a month; your responding to that good-faith gesture with a provocative comment like that, intending to pick a fight, falls squarely in the WP:Battleground territory (something I strongly encourage you to read) and will not be tolerated. 28bytes (talk) 20:07, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Amy, if I see anything more like that, I'll block you myself. This is pretty much resolved, just get on with editing and my adoption course. Nothing else for the next few days until I'm satisfied you aren't going to get yourself into more trouble.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 20:58, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * How is that inappropriate? Others mentioned how unnecessary harsh he was being, and even suggested he was trying to run her off of Wikipedia by being rude.  And with everyone criticizing him for his behavior and it obvious how it'd turn out anyway, he agreed to stay off her page for a full month.  What happens after that?  He shouldn't be allowed on her page at all if she doesn't want him posting on it.   D r e a m Focus  23:40, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It is inappropriate and problematic for a number of reasons.
 * The discussion is stale, Eagles has not posted here for days and has given a commitment that he won't for a month, which gives her time to prove herself.
 * She has just accepted mentorship, which many editors are calling a get out of jail free card. That comment exacerbates the concept.
 * The comment was assuming bad faith - implying that Eagles no only wasn't being helpful but as actively trying to annoy her. That would be understandable in the heat of the moment, but days later?
 * The AN discussion was very close to being archived, and now will be open for days longer.
 * Let's not forget here that Androzaniamy is a hair's breadth from being indefinitely blocked. I believe she can be a great editor, she has all the skills and enthusiasm needed, but if she cannot accept fault when she's made a mistake, then she won't get very far and if you spend your time enabling faults, you will only be helping to show her the door.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:38, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Discussions aren't stale. There is no time limit to respond to things.  And she doesn't have to prove herself to anyone.  And who cares if the discussion is opened for a bit longer?  She is not close to be blocked.  She hasn't done anything worth being blocked.  I see editors in that discussion criticizing Eagle's behavior though.  Accepting mentorship seems to be a way to satisfy the win at all cost mentality of those against her, so they can feel victorious.  Isn't the entire mentorship thing just someone agreeing to post on her talk page, as many are already doing, to tell her when they think she did something wrong?  If someone is officially declared her mentor, are they the only one to do it, or does everyone keep posting as they were before?   D r e a m Focus  14:11, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If you think she's not close to being blocked, you're sorely mistaken. 28bytes has declared that his finger was hovering over the block button, and there's a strong consensus that things cannot carry on as they are, with either blocking or mentorship as the only viable options put forward at AN. I've mentored a half a dozen people in this situation and I have a good track record here, Androzaniamy has asked for me to mentor her and I'm trying to do that.
 * Mentorship doesn't involve me posting on her talk page when she does something wrong, no. It involves her running through the fundamentals of wikipedia, as I see them - You can have a look at a number of editors running through the same thing at User:Worm That Turned/Adopt. At the same time, I'll be going through her past edits and discussing what she could have done better, and what areas might be good for her to focus on to improve. All the while, she will be having input and can change how the course is going - hopefully learning to handle herself on here with knowledge of policies and how to handle disputes.
 * What's more, I'll standing up for her when she's treated unfairly. That might be an unfair editor implying she's doing far too much wrong, or it might be an editor telling her that she's done nothing wrong. If she would like to deflect all complaints on her page to me, I'm happy to take that on, the only thing she has to do if she's given a warning is to stop whatever it is until she's discussed it with me.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 14:27, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I am really ever so sorry. I did not mean any offence or bad faith at all. It was an honest question that I wanted to ask about previous edits of his. I think you might have took it the wrong way. Here's what I was trying to ask: Eagles247 gave me lots of warnings about deleting some articles that I wrote and was continuosly telling me that Wikipedia isn't right for me. I just wanted to know did he enjoy having me here or was he hinting me to make my retirement from Wikipedia. My sincere apologies for sounding offensive or like I was trying to start an argument (which by the way I hate and would never try to do). Androzaniamy (talk) 16:21, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That's good enough for me Amy. All I ask now is that you leave Eagles alone, just as he's agreed to leave you alone. That means stop commenting about him, just forget he exists. Then, let's get on with this mentoring (and normal wikipedia editing).  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 16:28, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Phew! Androzaniamy (talk) 16:29, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm glad to say that the WP:AN thread has now been archived, things should be a lot quieter now. I'm sure you've got a few people watching here, but stick to my adoption school and keep your head down (in other words, if you see something wrong, come to me first), and you should be fine.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:12, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Discussing Barnstars with mentor

 * Being one of those watchers now, I must say voluntarily asking Worm to mentor was the best choice and a very lucky one too. Had you not voluntarily asked Worm, the discussion would've been closed and it was consistently leaning back and forth between indef block immediately or mandatory mentorship then indef block.  In your case the discussion died and no community enforcement being placed on you, not even the IBAN.  Worm is a good mentor and you've been given another chance to edit Wikipedia without the community hounding you.  Use it wisely. :) BTW, you may want to get rid of those barnstars in your archives and talk page.  Barnstars are meant to be given to you by other people and what you have here is a little bit of disruption when navigating through your talk page.  Just a suggestion.— cyberpower  Chat Partially online possibly on a phone  10:31, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Was going to say the same thing. Self awarded barnstars are sneered at by the community. You'll be getting a very special one from me for doing the adoption course, and if you delete the other ones there, I'll give you another one :D  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 10:41, 16 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you mean by sneered at. Surely it is someone's choice to put barnstars up for themselves? Androzaniamy (talk) 13:34, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Amy. I hope you don't mind, but I've separated this section out to make things about easier for you and me. Below is yet another needless discussion, and I'll be talking to each and every one of those editors to see if we can reduce these sorts of needless discussions in the future. Now, "sneered" was probably the wrong word - but you'll have to know a bit about barnstars to see where I'm coming from. There is little or no way to reward editors for what they do on wikipedia, they need to volunteer for there own personal reason.
 * However, editors saw that they other editors were leaving, burnt out after a lot of hard work without much gratitude. So, the barnstar was born - a little note with a picture attached, which serves almost as an award. Many people didn't like them, finding them pointless (even though they had 5 points!... get it?) and just ignored them all together, refusing to give them. Other editors displayed them with pride. The Wikimedia Foundation (who are responsible for Wikipedia) cottoned on to the pride, and decided to make a magic heart shaped button to make it even easier to give these barnstars.
 * Now, if you work really hard on something, and don't go on about it, but someone notices and leaves you a message saying how impressed they are, it means something. Unfortunately, if another editor gives themselves the same "award", for no reason except "because I'm worth it", it somehow devalues the meaning of the award, which upsets those editors who care about them. You can read below how passionate some editors get about the subject.
 * In any case, I see they've been archived again, are you alright leaving them there? If you are, I'd be very pleased.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:52, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Other users

 * Yes, it's a choice. And like any choice by someone to present themselves with unearned compliments, people are likely to see the making of that choice to be vain, petty, and childish. Those who display barnstars generally do so in order to reflect some effort that was significant enough to gain the positive recognition of others. When someone awards themselves a barnstar, they are seen as saying nothing about their achievements as a Wikipedia editor and rather as having an ego unmatched by achievement. If an editor proves their abilities through deeds, they are apt to get the awards from others, which will then have meaning (to the degree that barnstars can have any meaning). --Nat Gertler (talk) 14:28, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Barnstars are usually meaningless. Some people just give them back and forth to themselves and members of their own little group all the time.  It doesn't really mean any great achievement was done, and most don't take them seriously at all anyway.  If you want to put them about, you can do so, and others shouldn't be rudely criticizing you for your decision.   D r e a m Focus  14:36, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Androzaniamy, I've been going through some of Dream Focus's edits and history and I believe this is not a user you should be taking advice from. This user has quite an impressive block log (not in a good way) and has similar issues you have.  I have relocated the barnstar to your user page.  P.S. I left you a message on the thread below.— cyberpower  Spill the Beans Online  14:48, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Impressive block log? One for reverting someone for what I saw as vandalism four times, breaking the three edit war, one for a simple misunderstanding, and one for political reasons most commenting on said was unfair.  You need to stop telling her what to do and let her made decisions on her own.  Stop criticizing everything she does.  If she wants to put barnstars on her page, you shouldn't be criticizing her for it.   D r e a m Focus  15:00, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm not telling her what to do, nor am I criticizing her. I am giving her suggestions and as other people have stated, you are merely (unintentionally maybe) corrupting her. Worm is her mentor and it's this editor's job to help her out.— cyberpower Confer Online  15:06, 17 March 2012 (UTC) "and others shouldn't be rudely criticizing you for your decision" said Dream Focus, rudely criticizing others for trying to help Androzaniamy. The choices you've been encouraging Androzaniamy to make have been the ones that have gotten her into various forms of hot water here. You haven't been helping, and should consider backing off. --Nat Gertler (talk) 15:12, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Dream Focus, you are being completely unhelpful here, please go away. We have an editor here who is heavily scrutinized by the community for lack of direction and all your doing is confusing her more.  She has an adopter, just leave her alone.  Go away.--v/r - TP 17:16, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Is it helpful to criticize someone constantly as they are doing now? Was there anything wrong with her playing with the barnstarn tab at the top of the page and putting barnstars on her page? I don't see how these rude people are being helpful at all. And she has the right to decide who she lets post on her talk page or not. Androzaniamy please make a list of names of anyone you don't want on your talk page anymore.  Anyone you believe is being uncivil.   D r e a m Focus  18:09, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Just my opinion, but I think you all should just step away from this page for awhile. Your constant back and forth isn't helping anyone or accomplishing anything.  GB fan 18:15, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * She has the right to put the barnstars there. She can do what ever she wants within policy to her talk page however, awarding your self a barnstar is a minor disruption to the page and placing a whole lot of them on there is a big navigational disruption. On top of that, the barnstars would have no meaning to her but would indicate to everybody else that she is either self-centered, egoistic, or delusional when it comes to her work on Wikipedia. A barnstar is a symbol of appreciation from another editor. For example. My first barnstar I got was because I reverted a huge amount of vandalism that day. My second barnstar is because I was entrusted to User:Gilderien's account, where I logged into his account to fix some .js script issues that weren't working properly. My last barnstar was given to me for sympathetical purposes since in the last month I've been going through a rough time here on Wikipedia. GB fan is right, this topic should be dropped and I'm not discussing this anymore and nobody else should either.— cyberpower Express Online  18:21, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * would indicate to everybody else that she is either self-centered, egoistic, or delusional when it comes to her work on Wikipedia. I don't agree with that. And I feel that is rather uncivil to say.  Also, don't censor other people's post!  You aren't allowed to edit out part of someone's post like you just did.  And if you want to stop discussing it, then you can do so, but don't try to silence others.   D r e a m Focus  18:54, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Archive Bot
Because Miszabot III is down and won't be up for a while, I am offering to setup Cluebot III for users as temporary replacement for Miszabot III. I will of course set it up to archive exactly like Miszabot III did. Are you interested or would you rather archive manually?— cyberpower Confabulate Online  13:12, 17 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure how to archive manually so go for it! Thanks by the way. Androzaniamy (talk) 13:19, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I set up Cluebot III but are you sure you want it to be 60 days old. That's a bit much.  I recommend 1-7 days before archival.— cyberpower  Confess Online  13:57, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * 1-7 days is too short in my opinion, around 14 days would be good presuming your talk page doesn't have too much traffic, i.e. it's not Jimbo's.  The  Helpful  One  00:41, 18 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Can someone please put it back to how the other one ran? Androzaniamy (talk) 19:29, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Better learn to do it yourself, but we'll help: How long do you want a thread to be before archiving? Nobody Ent 20:28, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

If you click edit his page at the top, you'll see some stuff which includes:

The age parameter -- currently 72, is the number of hours old a thread must be before cluebot iii archives it. Just change the number to however many hours you want. Nobody Ent 20:40, 18 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Did I do it right? I wanted it for month old discusions. Androzaniamy (talk) 16:24, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Not quite. You have it set at age=360 which works out as 15 days. If you really want 30 days you need to set it to age=720 - Happysailor  (Talk) 16:27, 19 March 2012 (UTC)


 * It's okay, I'll just leave it as 15 days. Androzaniamy (talk) 16:29, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Would you like me to set it back to 60 days? It's a bit high, very high.  How many days would you like it to be and I'll bet it for you.— cyberpower  Chat Limited Access  16:58, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You want to change it from 15 days, to 60 days because 15 days is too high? - Happysailor  (Talk) 17:02, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
— cyberpower Chat Online  20:15, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you so much! I really appreciate it. Androzaniamy (talk) 16:07, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

I thought you'd find this amusing!
Since you have other things loading in places, I thought you might like this. You can make it so whenever someone goes to post on your talk page, it'll show them a picture and a message. User talk:Androzaniamy/Editnotice is where you edit it at. I put a sample message to show you how to do it, you able to change to whatever image and text you want, or if you don't want that, just delete it. Click "edit this page" or "new section" to see what it looks like loading up.  D r e a m Focus  16:48, 26 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Coolio! I love it! Thanks for showing it to me! Androzaniamy (talk) 17:09, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Your user page "Question of the day"
Hi Amy, I see that you've updated your user page to include a "Question of the day" again. Could I suggest (Worm may or may not agree with me) that this isn't the best way to ask for help?

There are loads of standard routes, including using the Help desk or putting a help me here on your talk page (which gets it to the attention of people who like to answer "helpme"s, rather than just the group of people who've got your user page watchlisted). Editors' user pages are not generally used as a two-way communication channel (remember that you said you would "never edit another user's user page", and now you're expecting other people to edit yours). If you ask a question at the WP:Help desk, the answer goes into the archive and can help other people too: you seem to be asking people to come and spend their time giving you answers just for you (like the wonderfully detailed stuff that Harkey gave you about ... forgotten what, something or other!), which isn't such a good use of their time.

I expect there's a section in Worm's course about how to get help, anyway, all in good time. I hope this doesn't come over as a "negative message": it's just some suggestions for possibly better ways to do things. All the best, Pam  D  18:18, 26 March 2012 (UTC)


 * This just makes it a lot simpler for me since I am trying to learn something new everyday and a help me template will just bring in more traffic to here which I don't want. I would also like to point out that the reason I don't want to edit another users page is purely for my use and the only reason I put it on your talk page is because you were always watching my edits (and it appears you still do even after you said you wanted to stay off my talk page). I never asked for people to even see it, I just assumed that they wanted to. Androzaniamy (talk) 17:00, 28 March 2012 (UTC)


 * And a further suggestion about getting help: please give a bit more detail in your questions. You say that SuggestBot "... doesn't seem to work." Umm, yes, but how have you tried to get it to work, what have you done, what does it do (or "nothing"), which info have you already looked at which doesn't help, etc... so that someone helping you knows where to start. Have you looked at User:SuggestBot, which seems to be the documentation for it? The better a question you ask, wherever you ask, the easier it will be for someone to answer you usefully. Pam  D  18:25, 26 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I just assumed you already knew why. Androzaniamy (talk) 17:00, 28 March 2012 (UTC)


 * That is good advice from PamD. Even though I wanted to help, I felt very uneasy about editing your user page and now you have been adopted by Worm there is no need because you can ask him. Good luck, Harkey (talk) 18:32, 26 March 2012 (UTC)


 * If you feel uneasy about editing my user page then don't edit it! I'm not forcing you to. I can't always rely on WormTT because he's already adopting me and others and editing other articles. Androzaniamy (talk) 17:00, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you'd be surprised about quite how amazing I am...  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 17:03, 28 March 2012 (UTC)


 * It's not about you it's about how I prefer things to be laid out for my own convenience. Androzaniamy (talk) 17:26, 28 March 2012 (UTC)


 * While I appreciate the comments, I'm happy for Androzaniamy to ask questions in any way she wants - it's quite a nice way to keep mentoring, important WP discussion and general questions from Amy separate, even if it is unconventional. Unless Amy says different, I believe anyone can answer. If she'd rather ask me directly, then she can. It may not be the best use of people's time, but if they want to answer her questions in that sort of area, then I'm certainly not going to stop them.
 * Having said that, Amy, you may want to consider some of the other ways to get help - which will likely get a much faster response. helpme if you want people to come to you, or if you go to WP:Help desk or even the teahouse (which is really friendly) they will answer very quickly.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 07:55, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


 * There's a teahouse? Androzaniamy (talk) 17:00, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It's new. It's a friendly place for new users to ask questions. In fact, people there are so nice it makes me feel unfriendly - and I'm the nicest person I know! Why not wander over there - I can give you a formal invite if you like (I'm a host!)? :)  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 17:03, 28 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Still trying to get over the name. So what do you mean by host and why hasn't anyone told me about this before instead of forcing me to put myself up for adoption? Androzaniamy (talk) 17:23, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * A "host" is a friendly person who can answer questions - and it's REALLY new, only a week or so old, so it wasn't there when you were going through all that. What's more, it's not really a substitute for adoption - but it might be a great place for you to hang out.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 17:42, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Non free images
Hi Amy. We haven't got to copyright yet on my lessons, but you can't actually use File:Tenth Doctor.jpg except in the article because it's not free. I've replaced it with a free image which you can see on the right. If there's one you'd rather use, or you'd like to talk more about images free or otherwise, let me know. WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 18:39, 28 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Does that mean I have to pay for the image? Androzaniamy (talk) 18:46, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh no, you just can't use it. And now follows a very short lecture on copyright. (I explain better in the lesson) - Basically, whenever someone takes a photo or creates an image, they own the rights to it. They can produce copies, sell them or publish them however they like, whilst retaining the right to produce more. If people want to use that picture, they can buy the rights to use it. However, Wikipedia is a "free" encyclopedia, so we only use photos which are free. That means the creator has released the photo under a license such as WP:CC-BY-SA, which means we can use it as long as we say where it came from. We have lots of these pictures on Wikipedia Commons. Every one of them is free for you to use, for what ever you'd like - as long as you say where you got it from.
 * Now, there are some exceptions where we can use non-free images, and only when they meet the Non-free content critera. Such as "There is not and cannot possibly be a free equivalent", "The original produce cannot lose out" and here we go - "We use the image as little as we possibly can". So that image is allowed to be on wikipedia, in very few circumstances, and your teahouse image isn't one that is allowed. Does that make sense?  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 18:58, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

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 * Mmmm... just the right amount of chocolate and a perfect balance of meringue and nuts. Shame the Mother's Day cake I made wasn't as delicious as that. Anyway, thanks for sending it to me. Yes, I would love a female Doctor but it would take a lot of getting used to. Like pyjamas to school or eating after you brushed your teeth, a nice idea but highly unlikely. Although knowing Steven Moffatt, anything can happen. Androzaniamy (talk) 16:56, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Archive box
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Please secure account
Amy, you need to make sure your account is secure. I just reverted the vandalism of your userpage by your sibling. This could lead to a block if they continue to access your account and they vandalize articles and I would hate to see you blocked. GB fan 17:53, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * GB fan, you reverted too much for her userpage. I have fixed it.— cyberpower  Chat Limited Access  18:02, 29 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Argh how embarrasing! It's not a password problem I hink. A repair guy came to our house and was resetting some of our stuff. Normally I don't bother logging off because when I turn off my laptop then everything I was logged in is automatically logged out. I just checked and found out that the button I normally press when turning off my computer is now a hibernation button so when my little sister went on it she could acess Wikipedia with me still logged in. Guess I learned something new today: never turn off my computer until everthing is logged out. Androzaniamy (talk) 16:31, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I am going to take a wild guess here and ask if your name is Amy Androzani?— cyberpower Chat Online  16:44, 31 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Haha no, I wish. It's actually Riley. Androzaniamy (talk) 16:58, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually she has said her first is Amy and the Androzani has to do with The Caves of Androzani. GB fan 16:56, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh.— cyberpower Chat Online  17:07, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Please don't ask another user (particularly a young person) to confirm or deny personal information online. See WP:Privacy. Thanks.--Harkey (talk) 13:58, 1 April 2012 (UTC)


 * It's okay as long as they can't use it to find me out for real. Androzaniamy (talk) 16:58, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Welcome back
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Doctor Who question for you. "Resistance is futile"
Didn't the Daleks invent the phrase ""Resistance is futile", long before the borg on Star Trek did? Any idea what episode they first said that is in?  I'm looking at List of catchphrases and was thinking Daleks had it first.   D r e a m Focus  21:52, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Being a huge doctor who fan, and rarely getting to show off my knowledge, I don't think daleks ever said "resistance is futile" (though I think one may have said "it is futile to resist"). Having said that... I'm pretty sure the Master said it... I remember chuckling when I saw it. Hopefully Amy will be able to confirm.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 23:07, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Never mind. I found a site with transcripts from all the old episodes.  Two episodes have it, the Master saying it once, and then some minor one time character called Officer not even important enough to have a name.  The cybermen on the new series do say "you will be assimilated", but I don't find any mention of them doing it in the old series before Star Trek came about.   D r e a m Focus  02:14, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


 * The Daleks did say "it is futile to resist" in the Deadly Assasin but not resistance is futile. I don't remeber the Master ever saying it though. I don't watch Star Trek so I don't know if they said it or not, hope that helped. Androzaniamy (talk) 12:11, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Revelation of the Daleks is where that hapened. DALEK: You must surrender. The Earth woman must come with us. It is futile to resist. The Deadly Assassin was  MASTER: A stupid remark, Doctor. Resistance is futile now. I found  OFFICER: Please, Doctor, resistance is futile. We mean her no harm. Eight different episodes  had "Resistance is useless".  Anyway, no big deal.   D r e a m Focus  12:22, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


 * So which show had that phrase first? Androzaniamy (talk) 12:24, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Star Trek's Borg had it as their catch phrase first. Doctor Who apparently just had it said a few times in different ways, but not regularly.   D r e a m Focus  12:29, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

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Note
FWIW, in response to this comment, I didn't consider your response on the adoption page overly rude and am not at all angry about it; I'm perfectly fine with your request to wait for WTT to answer your questions and will not post on the adopt page again. Nobody Ent 02:21, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I just hope Cyberpower agrees. Androzaniamy (talk) 18:21, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I made that comment, I've removed it now. Apologies to Nobody Ent and Cyberpower. @Androzaniamy- I made that comment primarily because it saddens me when people try to help and are basically turned away in a not-so-polite manner. I can understand how you might not have meant to come over so abruptly. I'll cease my involvement here. Regards  S ' D ' 5  04:06, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I've never heared of you and you've still been on my adoption page. How many people are the same? Androzaniamy (talk) 18:21, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * It shouldn't concern you whether you've "heard of me" or not. I made a comment and then removed it. That's the point- anyone can comment anywhere. As I looked at my comment and saw that it could be seen as overly critical I took the decision to remove it. Have a nice day.  S ' D ' 5  20:25, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Just to expand on this: I didn't mean for my comment to be offensive, sometimes my style of writing comes across as nastier than it is meant to. All I meant was that you could have told them to go away in a less confrontational way ;) Ty  S ' D ' 5  21:29, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * So does mine. I know this has nothing to do with it but how did you find me, Wikipedia is a big place so the chances of you just happening to find my classroom are quite small? Androzaniamy (talk) 16:01, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I saw this question and I though I'd answer for you.  Many users found you because you are taking an adoption program with User:Worm That Turned.  His talk page has 120 watchers.  People do this because A)they gain valuable information and guidance by seeing questions answered on his page and B)they can assist Worm in answering the many questions he receives.  Ryan Vesey  Review me!  16:07, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * When I ask someone a question I mean it for them, not for random busybodies to answer. I don't want any talk page stalkers. Androzaniamy (talk) 17:55, 17 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Whenever you see a post you don't like, you erase it, and in the edit summary ask the person not to post on your talk page again. Only way to avoid those overly critical of you, and the people that drag out conversations every chance they get.   D r e a m Focus  22:15, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Tracy Beaker
The writer of the series has an official page listing information about the character. I added a link to the external links section on the article. I notice that a lot of your article was deleted as "original research" the day it went out there. You can add things in and reference them to the official character profile or the one on the BBC site  if you want. I just sorted through the Google news archive results and found some things to quote from to prove the article is notable, as I often do in the article rescue squadron. If someone ever tries to delete an article you believe should be saved, just post a link there, and help is on the way.  D r e a m Focus  23:42, 18 May 2012 (UTC)


 * A whole bunch of text just got removed by a user who's not supposed to have anything to do with me! It is not my own original research because it's from the book itself. Can I add it back in? Androzaniamy (talk) 10:36, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * If you add a reference to the book and the page number that says what you are putting in there, its perfectly fine. You can't say she is "bossy" unless the book describers her is that though.   D r e a m Focus  14:46, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, if a news sources calls her bossy, that's fine. I just Google News archive search, and searched for her name and the word "bossy".  I found some results, including one where the author calls her character bossy.   Whenever someone doubts information is true or claims its original research, you just find a place its mentioned in a book or in the news.   D r e a m Focus  16:13, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Just so you know, Template:Did you know nominations/Tracy Beaker (character). I've nominated the article for Did you know. I believe it meets the criteria - new enough, 1500 characters. If it gets accepted there will be a fact about it on the front page in a week or so (I've suggested two).  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 13:06, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

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Tracy Beaker wiki
Did you know there is a Wikipedia dedicated only to Tracy Beaker? http://tracybeaker.wikia.com/wiki/Tracy_Beaker_Wiki It only has 117 article pages so far on it, unlike the Doctor Who wiki who has 28,514 article pages on it. http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Doctor_Who_Wiki You don't have to worry about people deleting your stuff, you having far more freedom to add things on a wiki. Just register and log in to automatically block out the irritating ads. And if you think of anything you like that doesn't have a wikia yet, you can easily create one yourself. I did that with several already.  D r e a m Focus  21:29, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Exceptionally good advice, worth looking at.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 07:45, 22 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Androzaniamy (talk) 17:55, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Tracy Beaker (character)
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You are on the main page! Congradulations
The Wikipedia main page has under its "did you know" section "that 90% of Tracy Beaker fans are girls between 8 and 14?" Where it says Tracy Beaker it links to your article. Remember those who didn't think it should be an article? Its alright to laugh at them now and say "I told you so". ;) Remember, always ignore all the haters and the doubters, and do what you believe is right.   D r e a m Focus  16:07, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, while I was writing this someone else posted the same message above me. Oh well.   D r e a m Focus  16:08, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed - I got the same message on my page. What happened there was a process called "Did you know". I added a little bit more to the article you'd created, and since it had been made so recently I nominated it to go on the main page. It looks like it went through without issue and on May 27 - 28, the main page included these notes. I hope you got to see the article you created there! 3961 people did! (That number might go up with people who only saw it today, too!)  Worm TT ≡talk≡  10:38, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

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