User talk:Andrwsc/Archive 15

Template:Army
Any idea why this template isn't working in the infobox for Antonio Todde? PC78 (talk) 20:45, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 23:11, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! PC78 (talk) 06:41, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

ANI
I can see it looks like renaming via the back door, but it is actually not a realistic proposal. I ran the numbers when someone - xeno I think suggested that on my talk page - and was not surprised by the result. Making very liberal assumptions it would take 25 years (and eight months) for SmackBot to rename Flagicon - more realistically much much longer. Rich Farmbrough, 00:33, 22 October 2010 (UTC).


 * That's not the only template. On September 3, in the middle of an AWB run, you saw noflag used a lot and decided that you liked No flag better.  You moved the template and immediately added a rule to AWB and starting substituting your preferred wiki markup.  That template is used on ~1700 pages, so WP:Requested moves would have been more appropriate instead.  You also added this rule to SmackBot (for example, ), which I am dead certain wasn't approved for your bot.  I believe that imposing your own markup style using a semi-automated tool is clearly tendentious and must stop.  — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 02:33, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Olli Petra
Hi there, you might want to comment on the abovementioned AfD since you've been involved in past discussions on YOG notability. Thanks A NG C HENRUI WP:MSE♨ 12:38, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi
Hi, 2010 Asian Games official website is using the olympic flag for Kuwait, is it possible to add an olympic flag version to Template:Country data Kuwait ? --Mohsen1248 (talk) 17:26, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No, it should only be added to Template:Country flag IOC alias KUW, which you did. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 05:06, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * ok but what about team sports like Football, Basketball and etc, which one is better ?, Olympic flag.svg Kuwait or simply ? --Mohsen1248 (talk) 09:40, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I would say the first choice might be best. Certainly there needs to be an explanation why the Olympic flag is shown instead of Kuwait's national flag, and Kuwait at the 2010 Asian Games would be a more logical place to describe the IOC's suspension of the Kuwait Olympic Committee, rather than a redundant (and out-of-place) paragraph in each of the national football/basketball/etc. team pages. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 16:35, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * thanks, It sounds logical. --Mohsen1248 (talk) 01:14, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

2012 Summer Olympics national flag bearers
Just for my own personal knowledge, and future reference....please explain why it had to be deleted? Someone will have to recreate all that hard work. C T J F 8 3 chat 23:14, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Nobody has to recreate anything; administrators have a handy "undelete" button that restores all editing history, with full attribution to the original author per GFDL. But in the meantime, existence of the link make the 2012 Summer Olympics template behave awkwardly from the 2012 Summer Olympics article.  Clicking on the blue link returns you right back to the same article, courtesy of the redirect, which could be confusing.  A red link (such as we already have for several other articles in that template) is actually better.  — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 23:19, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * How is an IP who recreates the page suppose to know it was already created, and that they can just ask an admin to restore the old version and save them a lot of time recreating? C T J F 8 3  chat 05:00, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * An IP can't create a page. I have the page on my watchlist, so if an established editor creates it again in June/July 2012, for example, I'll see that and can restore all earlier revisions for GFDL. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 05:22, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks, C T J F 8 3  chat 18:11, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

on wiki page: Arabian Gulf rugby union team
Isnt's the name Persian Gulf the worldwide accepted name for this place since many centuries before until now? Why do you change this name intentionally? Is it legal to change an officially accepted name for a place? Please correct your mistake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RealisticWikier (talk • contribs) 15:01, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * There is no mistake. Whereas the body of water is most commonly known as the Persian Gulf, the organisation clearly and unambiguously self-identifies as the Arabian Gulf Rugby Football Union per http://www.agrfu.com/, so that's the name we use for it on Wikipedia. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 19:43, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

This is not a sensible reason for justifying that, cause the word Arabian Gulf actually is intended to refer to a physical place and is not a fantasy region; For example in case of Gulf of Mexico if some day Cuba calls it Gulf of Cuba and uses that name for naming an organization,do you still will have the same idea about it? Thanks for your response to my previous message.
 * A better analogy would be as follows: if a "Gulf of Cuba Rugby Football Union" organisation met our general notability guidelines, then that's the name by which it would appear in Wikipedia. The name of the Gulf of Mexico article is an independent matter, and would certainly remain unchanged per WP:COMMONNAME, since the name chosen by a specific sporting organisation to refer to itself would not have any significant effect on how the geographical feature is named. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 05:13, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

But what happens in reality is that the chosen name for this so-called sport union is an intentional name reflecting some intentional trends. More clue on proving this,is that it's a combined team including countries around the Persian Gulf region (Bahrain,Qatar,Kuwait,Oman,Saudi Arabia) but it was intentionally named Arabian Gulf. Another note, in title of article, the two first words start with capital letter and other next words start with lowercase letter (implicitly insisting the first two words)also happens the same in one point inside article. As my opinion, this violates Neutrality (in general). Finally,as you may know, this fake name (actually created after second half of 20th century) originates in Pan-Arabism.
 * Take it up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rugby union. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 15:50, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

This user - now calling himself by yet another name - is a persistent vandal. I call the place the Persian Gulf, but we are talking about the name of organisations here. I do NOT agree with the name "Arabian Gulf" (which is properly a name for the Red Sea), but then again nor do I agree with the use of the term "British" all the time.

Please see his sock puppet investigation here - Sockpuppet investigations/Mmboed/Archive-MacRusgail (talk) 14:21, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

You might be mistaken. How you can be so certain and judge based on some ip addresses and say which ip address belongs to which user name without sufficient knowledge. I don't need to hide my identity and ip address. This is my only user name in Wikipedia and I haven't logged in since my last comment, until today ,when I browsed this page and saw your comment. I hope you think more reasonably and don't make such uncertain accusations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RealisticWikier (talk • contribs) 13:46, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Please help
Hi, I don't know if you are aware, but the East Timor article was subject to a vote whether to keep or change its name to Timor-Leste, you can verify it in the article's talk page. The first option won and so, per Wikipedia standards, all the national sporting teams of that country should also keep the name. The problem is that if I use it links me to a redirection, since the national football team article was named Timor-Leste national football team, instead of the correct East Timor national football team. Could you please fix it, since I don't know how to do it and I doubt I could get access to such documentations? I suggest you one of two alternatives: link it to East Timor national football team and put the name East Timor along with the flag or link it to the article with the flag and the name Timor-Leste goes with it, although no redirections are made, e.g.: USA team of football, Portugal footy team, etc. You also could use the two of them, since there are aliases in the East Timor's country data template. Thanks! Tibullus (talk) 21:19, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Certainly not. The name of the article about the team is not subject to the requested move for the country article.  The team is known as "Timor-Leste" per FIFA at http://www.fifa.com/associations/association=tls/index.html so any requested move for that article ought to be made on its talk page, or at WT:FOOTY for discussion. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 03:31, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi again, I wasn't aware FIFA used that name, nevertheless thanks for clearing that out for me. I reverted the things I had changed, apart from the ones you already had reverted. I also noticed that the North Korea national football team has the Korea DPR name in it, so I guess it was a hasty decision of mine to move the page, sorry for that, no bad faith intended.  T i b u l l u s  call me |undefined 02:32, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * None assumed! No worries, — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 17:10, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Country data templates
Indeed, I am somewhat confused by the documentation seeming to say that "shortname alias" can be used to shorten the displayed name of a country when the "alias" has to be named differently for purposes of disambiguation, and yet the flag template does not work this way (although flagcountry does). However, my changes removing the redirecting of Country data La Rioja to Country data La Rioja (Spain) are in line with policy to not redirect ambiguously-named pages to only one of several entities with equal claim to the name. Lexicon (talk) 16:52, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, flag always displays the link exactly matching the input parameter to the template, whereas flagcountry displays the  value (if defined, different from  ).  That's precisely why we need the two different templates.  But I am more than a little surprised that you as an administrator would a) experiment on live templates without using a sandbox (since you are unfamiliar with these templates), and b) delete a redirect before you had changed its transclusions.  Please be much more careful in the future.  — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 17:30, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll be more careful in the future, but people experiment on live templates all the time. How many users do you think saw a messed up template in the time I was experimenting? I bet you're the only one, and that's just because you've got these things on your watchlist. And yes, I deleted the template prior to correcting the seven or so instances of its use. Again, I think everyone will survive. Lexicon (talk) 17:37, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Not true. You first deleted Template:Country data La Rioja at 16:16, which I quickly restored at 16:29 because it was in use. I left you a message at 16:33 and you started to update articles only at 16:54.  Again, all of the disruption was completely preventable with a little care, thanks. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 20:22, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Women's Champions League category
Hey again, I just noticed that there is a category for the UEFA Women's Cup, since that competition was rebranded to UEFA Women's Champions League some time ago, so to keep things in accordance I would like to ask you to delete an existing category called Category:UEFA Women's Cup, in virtue of a new one (Category:UEFA Women's Champions League) that will include all the articles from that outdated category. Thanks again!  T i b u l l u s  call me |undefined 15:30, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You don't need an administrator's help for that. You can edit all the articles in the current category, replacing the name to the new category. When you are done, the old category will be empty and you can put db-c1 in the category page.  After four days, an administrator will delete the old category. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 04:27, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Request for comment: 2014 Asian Games
Hi, Andrwsc, i need your comment, since it cannot come together and become edit warring. Revision 1, Revision 2.

The question is, should article list down the sport? At least in 3½ years time, this not going to happen. Asian Games is not like Olympic Games, which Olympic Games need qualification while Asian Games is more just registration, go and play (for most sports). A link to Olympic sports is suitable enough?

Also, bad english consider as vandalism? I didn't get why this word appear. Hope you can comment for this. Thank you. --Aleen f 1 11:57, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Miss USA articles
Hi, Andrwsc

On Miss USA articles, are you going to remove subnational flag icons? --John KB (talk) 21:40, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * That would probably be a good idea, to be in compliance with the manual of style. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 21:42, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Under-19 cricket template
Hi, I noticed you altered the parameter on this template. If it's changed to 'age' it stops the template working for a number of countries so is it possible to keep it as was? Thanks Waterhogboy (talk) 16:48, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * No. In the flag template system, the "mw" parameter is used for men's/women's teams and "age" is used for under-xx teams. The correct solution is to adjust the respective country data templates (which I have done), not to twist the meaning of "mw" into something else. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 17:15, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah well fair enough! Well thanks a lot for sorting all that out and making the changes in the articles too. Much appreciated. Waterhogboy (talk) 07:31, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

I noticed a few teams for which this is still a problem, namely Jersey, Guernsey and Isle of Man. Would you be able to change the country data template for these so that I can link to Under-19 teams in the future. Thanks. Waterhogboy (talk) 18:50, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 07:36, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Great! Thanks for that. I shouldn't think there'd be any more that need changing. Waterhogboy (talk) 12:34, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Myanmar flag
Hi Andrwsc. I was creating medal tables and saw that the 1974 flag variant through Template:Country data Myanmar was not working with the MMR or MYA shorthand templates. I can't work out what's wrong at all. Is the "related1" interfering with it do you reckon? SFB 12:17, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The shorthand templates do not support flag variations. Use the standard flag template, such as  . — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 17:20, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, right. Do you have any idea if it is technically possible for them to support the variations? I imagine I am probably not the only person expecting or desiring such a feature. SFB 21:38, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I suppose they could, but why would we want to invent a second way of accomplishing the same thing, especially since it is far more obscure? flag is widely known, and results in more readable wiki markup, so that's why it is preferable to the shortcut templates.  I know I prefer to write   instead of , even if I have to type 9 more characters. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 22:29, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough then. Thanks for taking the time to satisfy my curiosity! SFB 00:00, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, no worries! — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 16:41, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

deletion of Uiolentapneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosising
why was my page on Uiolentapneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosising deleted. it is a real word with a real meaning. the long string of characters is due to the legnth of the word and is not vandalism, can you please un-delete it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samsam1993 (talk • contribs) 19:38, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It it is a real word, then there will be mention of it in an external WP:reliable source. No source, no article.  But even if it was, Wikipedia is not a dictionary, so it wouldn't merit an article on that basis either. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 19:41, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You can try to edit this article to Uiolentapneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosising-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 20:37, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Help
Hi, Andrwsc, i need your comment, I have a problem with a user on Asian Winter Games, especially because he can't discuss without personal attacks.
 * Source
 * The Japanese Olympic Committee will make a formal request that the cities of Sapporo and Obihiro bid to co-host the 2017 Asian Winter Games, sources said Tuesday. JOC President Tsunekazu Takeda, who received a request from the Olympic Council of Asia (OCA) to host the winter event, is scheduled to visit Sapporo on Dec 3.
 * The 2017 Asian Winter Games will be decided at an OCA general assembly at the 7th edition of the Winter Asiad being held in both Astana and Almaty, Kazakhstan, from Jan 30-Feb 6 next year.

is this enough to write Sapporo and Obihiro as the official host of 2017 Asian Winter Games on wikipedia ? --Mohsen1248 (talk) 20:46, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Country data Côte d'Ivoire
Could you please adjust this template with the following to reflect the new title used in rugby articles as discussed on this talk page Talk:Ivory Coast national rugby union team

| link alias-rugby union = Ivory Coast

Cheers. --Bob (talk) 01:28, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ (properly), but what a horrible consensus. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 18:12, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Fred Robson - First Welshman top play in Ryder Cup?
I noticed the little problem you've had with this. I wonder if this explains it.  Topcardi (talk) 15:51, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I've been referring to http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/waleshistory/2010/05/welsh_ryder_cup_players.html, which says that "The first Welsh Ryder Cup golfer ... was Bert Hodson ... in the 1931 Ryder Cup", which would imply that Fred Robson in 1927 and 1929 wasn't Welsh.  I don't really care, but either way, we need a reliable source.  My issue is that the IP editor is making unreferenced changes without any discussion whatsoever, not even edit summaries.  — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 18:57, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Persian/Arabian Gulf
The note is on the article due to constant vandalism (at least once a month), and the fact that it is a loaded name. Personally I think the IRB should not have allowed the use of "Arabian Gulf", but it is not the only example of international insensitivity in rugby.--MacRusgail (talk) 16:57, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know, that's why I have it on my watchlist. I don't really care what they call themselves, but the point is that this article should not be a WP:Content fork of the Persian Gulf naming dispute article.  An article on this rugby football union should not have a reference to a book on "The Exodus itinerary sites: their locations from the perspective of the biblical sources" unless that book specifically mentions the rugby football union.  At most there should be a link from the AGRFU article to the dispute article, and a single sentence summary of the linked article, which is what my edit has.  I'm puzzled why you reverted my edit a couple of days ago, but restored it today.  What version do you support? — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 19:15, 11 January 2011 (UTC)


 * " this article should not be a WP:Content fork of the Persian Gulf naming dispute article." - Too late, it already is, if you haven't noticed. Whether or not the naming dispute is mentioned. Now one of the articles has an even more bizarre name. I've had to revert vandalism on this and related articles DOZENS of times. I believe that the vandalism is the work of one or two editors and that Dr Persi is probably the new name of one of them. Really the pages need to be semi-protected.


 * Personally I think the solution is to split the articles (where possible) into "rugby union in [individual state]". I believe that AGRFU is being disbanded anyway.--MacRusgail (talk) 13:30, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Country data Northwest Territories
Hello again. Could you please perform the edit request I have made to Template talk:Country data Northwest Territories. I don't know why it has stood for two days, this is much longer than I have had to wait before. Thanks, 117Avenue (talk) 02:17, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Template:ISO 3166 name DE-HB
Now relisted here. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 17:56, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I shall post messages to draw more attention to the discussion. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 18:17, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

How can i help You?
I wanted to make up for any sore feelings by doing chores for You. Warmest Regards, :)—thecurran Speak your mind my past 12:08, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I have no authority to direct other editors to do "chores" for me, nor should I. Just find something interesting or useful to work on. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 17:19, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Template
Do you have any idea why some of the template have blown up in size? For example, Template:2011 World Aquatics Championships and Template:SwimmingAt2008SummerOlympics. They are suppose to be fitting not twice the size. I tried to fix Template:SwimmingAt2000SummerOlympics. It looks good but when you click on a specific event (like Swimming at the 2000 Summer Olympics – Men's 50 metre freestyle), it comes up to the left of the Infobox. It's suppose to be below it. This just happened recently, I have no idea what happened to these template.Philipmj24 (talk) 04:19, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The problem is that these templates were all using  from MediaWiki:Common.css, and that got changed to specify a 22em width. One solution is to avoid that CSS class altogether, like I did here. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 07:04, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * A lot of templates got affected by this. Can you or someone else run a bot to fix this with all templates?Philipmj24 (talk) 15:55, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ On Sunday, I repaired all Olympic templates (~378 of them). If the other athletic event templates are easily found in a central category, I can repair them also. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 17:32, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Appreciate the help. Thanks.Philipmj24 (talk) 22:05, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Dispute resolution
Please continue to comment in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics. I'm not sure where he get that word centralise (except his own editing), is ridiculous he claimed my computer messed-up. Are you get that? Thank you --Aleen f 1 10:44, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually you are the ridiculous one for some calendars I NEVER even touched the word cermeonies, the word ceremonies is centralized. Like seriously stop acting like a child and stop. Intoronto1125 (talk) 15:58, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * You are both behaving poorly here. This dispute of yours belongs on Lamest edit wars.  Personally, I think that it looks silly to have one table entry center-justified while the remainder are left-justified.  Claiming that the distinction between "ceremonies" and "events" is justification for this formatting difference is a non sequitur.  I do not see consensus for the changes Intoronto1125 has been making, and under no circumstances would there ever be justification for the personal attacks that have developed in this dispute.  Keep it civil, or I will start blocking for tendentious editing.  — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 17:30, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Andrwsc, i get your point that "I do not see consensus for the changes Intoronto1125 has been making". I want to standardize the templates, but since Intoronto1125 keep rolling back, i can't just keep edit-war with him. Also, he said in Nlu talk page "Incase Aleenf1 cannot see I AM THE ONE WHO CREATED most of those calendars, so obviously I am going to be putting that tag. This guy is acting like a child." Obviously here, he put the things OWNED and make me more difficult to working around it. Sounds like threat. I need your final words. Thank you. --Aleen f 1 17:18, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Please stick to the content-related discussion. As for Intoronto1125's assertion that he is "THE ONE WHO CREATED most of those calendars", he couldn't be more wrong.  User:Jonel, one of the finest editors to work on the Olympics project, created the calendar format back in June 2006.  Intoronto1125 is simply copying that work and appears to have ownership issues over a format he/she didn't invent.  You'll also note that in the original version—which had strong approval and consensus from WP:OLY members at the time—all the text in the first column was properly left-aligned.  Color coding was (and still is) used to indicate the difference between ceremonies and events.  This is clearly more effective than the weak assertion that an off-balance text alignment somehow expresses the difference between ceremonies and events to the casual reader of the article.  — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 18:59, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, i can see more discussion. So, shall that should be left-aligned? I still can't see whether Intoronto1125 will keep warring with me if i change it, like this this article. This make all meaningless as he keeps all way he like/want. --Aleen f 1 17:14, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * There seems to be consensus now. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 17:46, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Calendar
For example, most multi sports events calendars have the word "ceremonies" capatlized. Why? because that is what the majority of people believe is the best way to keep it. Secondly, for the 2010 Asian Games calendaer in which I have no edits clearly shows Aleenf1 editing it, yet the word ceremonies is centralized. Why is it that he has not changed it to "the way" he thinks is right? This all started with a editing war over the 2011 Asian Winter Games, and Aleenf1 (at least in my opinion might not be true) is picking out edits I make, and changing them to drive me crazy. I already have apologized to him many times but he has refused to accpet it,. What is your opinion? Intoronto1125 (talk) 18:58, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * My opinion is that you are being terribly rude to Aleenf1, such as needling him with unnecessary jabs at his English. Please remain civil in this debate, or risk a block for tendentious editing.  You also seem to have strong ownership issues over a table format that was created long before you started on Wikipedia.  Why is it so important for you to have asymmetric alignment on those table columns?  — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 19:06, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * My point is I already apologized to him for that, and he will not accept it, so I said that (even though it seems rude now, I am terribly sorry). Secondly, what do you mean by ownership issues? I do not own the table at all. And for asymmetric alignment "ceremonies" are not a medal event, and considering if the word was not centralized, it would be aligned with the sports, but that is not correct and should be distinguished from medal events. Do get what I am saying? Intoronto1125 (talk) 19:14, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, for the point "I am the one who created it" that is not the end of the story, what I said after that was I created it obviously, I am going to put the word in the centre, because that is how I formatted it, not because I on it. My argument about the ceremonies/sports is not week at all, please go ahead and look at the various calendars and you will see calendars that have not been edited by me have the word ceremonies centrealized. Again you have also not addressed the issue relating to Aleenf1 only removing the centralize tag from calendars in which I have put i work compared to ones I have not. Intoronto1125 (talk) 19:21, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * (ec) I haven't seen an actual apology yet in the diffs I've browsed through, but if there is one, then ok. With respect to "ownership issues", your comments on User talk:Nlu that "I AM THE ONE WHO CREATED" the calendars certainly points to that.  On Wikipedia, it doesn't make any difference who "created" anything (expect for editors who have WP:Editcountitis or WP:Barnstaritis, I suppose). What matters is the process of improvement of the latest (visible) version. As for your last question, no I don't get what you are saying at all.  I think it is a complete non sequitur to associate text alignment with the difference between medal events and ceremonies.  There is no relation between the concept and the formatting.  Why don't you think the table legend (with color coding) makes the difference clear?  — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 19:27, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * That is what it might seem like, but if you read in between the lines, I said that, because I was trying to make a point that since I created I was going to put it as centralized, how else would you expect me to do it? That is what I meant. DO you not understand this part,"Again you have also not addressed the issue relating to Aleenf1 only removing the centralize tag from calendars in which I have put i work compared to ones I have not"? and although it makes a difference, ceremonies are not a medal event and should be distinguished. The apology . Intoronto1125 (talk) 19:45, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The ceremonies are distinguished from medal events; the table cells have distinct colors for them. As for Aleef1's apparent selective choice of editing, if you think he is wikihounding you, I would suggest filing a report at WP:WQA and get some additional eyes to look at the matter.  Lastly, there is no apology in the diff you provided.  You told Aleenf1 to "go see some examples", but at no point did you address your own uncivil comments to him. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 19:55, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Wrong link sorry . Now can you explain the proccess to file a report. Although they are distinguished, i do not necesarily think its right to have medal events and ceremonies togther like that, because they are different. Intoronto1125 (talk) 20:35, 2 March 2011 (UTC):::::::Wrong link sorry . Now can you explain the proccess to file a report. Although they are distinguished, i do not necesarily think its right to have medal events and ceremonies togther like that, because they are different. Intoronto1125 (talk) 20:37, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Template:Country_data_Putrajaya
You removed the Putrajaya flag image on the Country template page. While the image page says it is under copyright, all of the other state flags of Malaysia are under CC. Instead of consistently deleting the flag image from the country template, why don't you actually fix the real problem, which is that the license is incorrect?? I don't understand why the flag can't be used if all other state flags can be. . . They should fall under the same license. If you somehow believe that all flags fall under a copywritten work, why is the use of flag icons ubiquitous across wikipedia? Please clarify why the PJ flag is so special as to not be eligible for a flagicon template. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dancgreer (talk • contribs) 20:56, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The Putrajaya flag is special because it includes the Malaysian coat of arms, which is copyrighted until 2013. See the discussion at commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Coat of arms of Malaysia.svg.  — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 21:05, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Get back to work
This is the hound case you suggested I should start if I felt i was being followed. Intoronto1125 (talk) 18:47, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * That comment was more directed at Aleenf1, for starting an edit-warring report. But the advise to disengage is good for both.  There is no reason for you two to continue to provoke each other. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 21:41, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * We are hounding each other. If he felt his behaviouring are not wrong, why ALWAYS he hit the "undo" button? A simple cleanup which meet the guidelines also denied, what else can i do here incase he always keep reverting? --Aleen f 1 05:33, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Tabasco
Thanks for your assistance!  Alex Covarrubias  ( Talk? )  22:01, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries!!
 * Oh, do you know what can be done (an how) to fix the links leading to Tabasco (Mexican state). I know it can be done manually, but there's a lot of links!  Alex Covarrubias  ( Talk? )  22:03, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Per WP:REDIRECT, we don't need to do anything. I've just fixed all the double redirects. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 22:17, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Flags on template
Should I go and remove the flags on all the templates? Intoronto1125 (talk) 17:20, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I only saw it on the one YOG navbox. None of the Olympic navboxes have them, per WP:MOSICON. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 17:23, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, I meant like Pan American Games they have them (I put them there, so I guess I am wrong?). Intoronto1125 (talk) 03:30, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't really care about the Pan American Games, so I don't look there. I guess you should decide whether or not consistency with the Olympic templates is important or not.  Also, per WP:MOSICON singular decorative flag icons like that are discouraged.  There is no navigational value in putting that icon adjacent to the link to Austria. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 03:39, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh interesting, I wonder why you are not interested in the Pan American Games? Intoronto1125 (talk) 04:49, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * It's a minor event, with little media coverage, and only a very small fraction of the world's best athletes. I'm only interested in the Olympic Games.  — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 08:19, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Also I need help with formatting the article for the from the Athletes Netherlands Antilles at the 2011 Pan American Games. Any idea of where I can ask/or request help? Intoronto1125 (talk) 04:53, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * What type of formatting help? Let me know what you need.  But in the meantime, I've prodded the article since it doesn't really make sense to have it now... — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 08:19, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * You know how Kuwait was formatted with the IOC flag for the 2010 Asian Games,becuase they were suspended the same needs to be done with this article. The IOC said they will be competing under the IOC flag under that designation, so I do not think AFD tage is needed. Intoronto1125 (talk) 13:52, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * We need a reliable source that says that. The only source in the article now doesn't say anything like that. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 14:11, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * And about the formatting? - This source says they will compete under dutch or IOC flag as well as this one saying 42 teams (there would be 42 with the Netherlands Antilles) . Intoronto1125 (talk) 18:26, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * For the formatting, the infobox meta-template needs some work. More than a two-minute fix, so I will work on that when I have some more time.  But I still see no sources to support the existence of that article; the first one you provide talks about the 2012 Olympics.  There is absolutely no mention of the 2011 Pan-Am Games whatsoever.  And for the second source, it is WP:original research to deduce that Netherlands Antilles would compete just because the text mentioned "42 NOCs". — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 22:36, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know if this world qualify, but on technical manuals released by the organizing commitee, the Netherlands Antilles is listed as well as qualifying for a couple of sports . Intoronto1125 (talk) 22:47, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, actually that is a very good source. Much better than blogs, etc.  I will withdraw the prod. But I still think you are getting way ahead of yourself creating virtually empty articles, far too in advance of the Games.  It makes no sense to have empty medal winner tables with redlinks to per-event results articles, for example. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 22:52, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I did that, because I do not want to that during the games when the results have to be done, so I did this in advance. We can always hide it if needed. Also for the volleyball events to we keep them seperate, or together? Intoronto1125 (talk) 22:54, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I suppose whatever was done on the previous Pan-Am volleyball articles would be fine for 2011. I don't know if that is different or not than they way we did Olympic volleyball articles.  — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 23:10, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * It is different from the Olympics (both beach and indoor merged into one), while Pan Am's have them seperate. It is in the olympuc discussion thread if you like to put your opinion there. Intoronto1125 (talk) 23:19, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Template:Country data Western Australia
Out of interest, why is the noinclude needed in calls to country showdata? I understand that it is just for the purpose of documentation, but what is the harm of not using noinclude? &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:46, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Per WP:Template limits, the "preprocessor node count" of an article that transcludes flag templates increases by 1 for each extra parameter. With country data templates, since they are often transcluded many times on a single page (unlike infoboxes or navboxes, for example), there is motivation to remove unused parameters, or in this case, keep documentation-only parameters within noinclude sections. I realize that the limit for the preprocessor node count is 1,000,000 but there have been a small number of instances where flagicon-heavy pages run into the limit, so I just keep this uniform template style as a matter of principle. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 00:06, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Another strike, again...
I hit by another strike, i think this is enough for me. Sorry. --Aleen f 1 18:04, 12 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't get it why you want to keep changing the format!!
 * Here is Beijing 2008,, here is my revision of 2012 and here is Aleenf1's . Does it make any sense no! Intoronto1125 (talk) 18:25, 12 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't get why you want to revert a good revision and consistent format!! 90% font and 100% font size, also unbalance col width! Does it make any sense no! I can repeat your nonsense here, yes! --Aleen f 1 18:32, 12 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I can repeat your (insert word) here! You do not see the difference between your edit and the mine's and the 2008 calendar? Intoronto1125 (talk) 18:43, 12 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I can only see a nonsense editor, wait and see how Andrwsc comment! --Aleen f 1 05:16, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Calling me nonsense? When I do not even understand you half the time!! First you changed it to 60% thats why I reverted it back, now its back it 90 thats perfectly fine. Intoronto1125 (talk) 15:39, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Flag templates - Palestine
Sorry to bother you, but I don't see any new activity at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Flag_Template. Could you do the changes described there or explain to me how to do it without breaking something? Alinor (talk) 08:01, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Replied there. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 18:47, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for cleaning up my mess
Hey A-

Sorry I screwed up the Olympics redirects and templates: now I understand what is going on. Thanks for fixing them. UnitedStatesian (talk) 13:18, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

2012 Summer Olympics
I was thinking of listing all the countries that have qualified for these games on the main page? What do you think? Intoronto1125 (talk) 21:24, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think all of these articles are virtually useless at this point, and aren't needed for at least another year, but you seem to be on a mission creating them all... — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 21:46, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * LOL! I am only creating the ones that have qualfied at least one athlete, so I do not think its pointless. SO what is your answer to my first question. Intoronto1125 (talk) 22:04, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I think they are pointless because they say nothing that the event qualification pages don't say. You don't need to link TBD for unknown athletes...  But I have no opinion on the main page.  — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 22:09, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Why don't you join WikiProject Multi-sport events? Intoronto1125 (talk) 15:14, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Because I am not interested in any of the events covered by that project. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 16:21, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The Olympics? Intoronto1125 (talk) 16:30, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, which is why I work on WP:OLY from time to time. But the scope of the "Multi-sport events" project is explicitly stated as This WikiProject covers all multi-sport event articles on Wikipedia, except for Olympic and Paralympic articles. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 16:32, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

WP:IMOS FLAGS
Is this correct? Does this mean Northern Ireland national football team, FIFA related articles, international sports events, all sorts of competitions shouldn't have this flag: ? --John KB (talk) 14:43, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * There is longstanding consensus that the use of the Ulster banner is acceptable for sport-related instances where the flag has contemporary usage, such as the football team, Commonwealth Games, golf, etc. I presume that is covered by the statement in "IMOS" that: In those instances, if an organisation uses a flag or banner to represent the island of Ireland or Northern Ireland, use that flag or banner to represent teams, bodies or people under its aegis. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 16:21, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * An editor involved in Ireland/Northern Ireland,  British Isles edits, Special:Contributions/Bjmullan removed the Northen Ireland flag from the Miss World article without an edit summary, then when the edit was undone, cited WP:IMOS as the reason (this time giving an edit summary) If he's correct, all those flags should be removed from Miss World articles.  --John KB (talk) 23:20, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Does the Miss World pageant use flags? If so, then you've got a reliable source to keep it, if not, I agree they should all go.  We certainly have reliable sources for their use by FIFA for football, by the PGA for golf, etc.  I took a quick look at the Miss World website and don't see any flags, just country names. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 23:27, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * No, no flags. Agree they should go, that's why I needed clarification on this. --John KB (talk) 23:44, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

List of countries by future Human Development Index projections of the United Nations
Note that when I created the page above, I didn't use the, but rather I used the   - on purpose, because: from an aesthetic point of view, every country should occupy one slot only, whereas the   makes South Korea occupy two slots; That's why I thought - and still think - that the   is more preferable. Note also that before I decided to use the, I had been trying many other options, e.g. changing the tabulation etc. - but then - other problems arose, e.g. the fifth (last) column became partly hidden (i.e. it by-passed the HTML page). If you think you can fix the problem without the  - then it's fine; Otherwise, the   will probably turn out to be the best solution. Hope you see what I mean. Cohneli (talk) 09:34, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
 * No, actually I don't see what you mean. What is "two slots"?  There is one table cell used for every country, South Korea included.  The problem with   is that a screen reader will say the name twice, so you'd hear "South Korea South Korea" for that table cell.  This is why flag is strongly preferred in this situation; the name is only read once. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 14:45, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the misinterpretation. By "slot" I meant "line"; Please have a look at your version - being the current version of the article: The words "South Korea" accupy two lines: The "Korea" being under the "South". Really, this is not that a big problem, however, from an aesthtic point of view, "South Korea" occupying one line only - is more preferable (isn't it?), and I achieved that - by using the.
 * As I indicated in my prior response: before I decided to use the, I had been trying many other options, e.g. changing the tabulation etc. - but then - other problems arose, e.g. the fifth (last) column became partly hidden (i.e. it by-passed the HTML page). If you think you can fix the problem without the   - then it's fine; Otherwise, the   will probably turn out to be the best solution. Hope you're now seeing what I mean.
 * Cohneli (talk) 19:25, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, this really depends on the monitor resolution you are viewing the page with, doesn't it? On a 1920×1200 widescreen display, there is no wrapping to two lines.  On a 1440×900 laptop, I see wrapping for both South Korea and the Netherlands.  What size monitor are you using? Do you only see a problem with South Korea? (and not the Netherlands?) The biggest problem is that the page has five (!) tables aligned horizontally, so this will certainly cause problems for small screen resolutions.  One solution would be to remove the flag icons altogether, but I certainly think using an abomination like "SouthKorea" is a bad idea. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 20:00, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, I forgot to add the blank space - in my previous response (I've added it just now). Anyways, when I edited the article, I didn't use  - but rather:  . I use a 1024x768 laptop (96 dpi), in which I don't see a problem with Netherlands, but rather with South Korea only; while - with   - I don't see a problem with South Korea either. Cohneli (talk) 20:30, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I did a couple of things to improve the table formatting for smaller screens, but I still see lots of wrapping at 1024×768 (Australia, Switzerland, Netherlands, Hong Kong, etc.) Must be a difference in font sizes, browser, etc. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 22:40, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Netball at the Olympics
An article that you have been involved in editing, Netball at the Olympics, has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Racepacket (talk) 05:20, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:DTTR. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 05:25, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Category:Olympic sports
Hello Andrwsc, I'm really confused about this category's scope. Category's description says "This category contains articles about past and present Olympic sports and links to the categories for those sports", but it also contain recognized sports. According to IOC's definition "Olympic sports" and "recognized sport" are completely different terms, following this we can't place them together. Please enlighten me, thanks. undefinedBill william compton Talk   05:44, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Protect request
Please protect this template: Template:Country data TBD. Thanks. Chanheigeorge (talk) 03:55, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * There's no reason to do that; this abomination in only transcluded on 7 pages. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 04:04, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Category: Olympic Recognized Sports
I would like your advice. We have a long-established Category:IOC-recognised international federations, but a week ago a new category Category:Olympic recognised sports was added. It seems as though they are co-extensive except that some people have placed some sports articles into the latter category. Technically the IOC recognizes the federations, and if it takes the second step, the sports become Olympic sports. The word "Olympic" should not be used for non-Olympic sports. What should be the next step to fix this? Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 19:01, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * That's not a good category name. The phrase "Olympic recognised" is a misnomer; it is the IOC that,  Also, these sports do not appear on the IOC's website even as a subcategory of "Olympic sports" ; they show up under the list of international federations in the "Olympic Movement Directory" drop-down list .  — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 16:19, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

I am coming under a lot of pressure to refrain from raising any issue. For example, we have the French-speaking Genevieve2 accusing me of harassment. We have Hawkeye7, who admits that the netball article should not be in Category:Olympic sports but has been reverting the removal of the article from the category.April 5 March 23 by co-editor March 20. There have been unsuccessful efforts to work this out on talk pages: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject_Olympics and User_talk:Hawkeye7. So, it is really left to you if this is going to be fixed. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 16:01, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Philippine flags
Will I change it to "unofficial" flags? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jap2k11 (talk • contribs) 04:41, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't understand your question. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 05:22, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm back (hopefully)
It's been a while since i've had any time to edit but hopefully i'll have some opportunity in the coming weeks. As you seem to have kept active on Olympic articles whilst i've been gone I thought I'd ask if there were any particular articles or areas that you think could use my attention? Cheers - Ba se me nt 12  (T.C) 01:34, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I've also been busy with real-life recently, so I haven't done a lot of Olympic work in the past few months either. I would say that our priority is still getting all the "Sport at the year Olympics" pages complete, with all per-event subpages, and then get the "Nation at the year Olympics" pages similarly completed.  — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 17:41, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Template help
I need help fixing the template on the right of this article Bids for the 2015 Pan American Games, as I can't link the cities names to their respective section and I cannot put in a election venue. Intoronto1125 (talk) 14:47, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Flag-related dispute at WikiProject Mixed martial arts
Hello, would you mind doing us a favour at WT:MMA? You're the most active admin at MOS:ICON, so I figure you'd be a good, knowledgeable person to ask. We're looking for an uninvolved admin's opinion or advice on the dispute. It's a pretty long read, but please let me know if you'd be willing to help. In brief, a number of editors have agreed to follow MOS:FLAG and therefore remove all flags from martial artists' record tables. On the other hand, a larger number of editors oppose the guidelines, but don't have many arguments to offer. Many editors don't participate in the discussion in spite of being informed of it, but continue to enforce their preference. One editor wishes for a bot to make changes in favour of one side (WT:MMA). Any input would be appreciated. Thanks. — LOL T/C 19:28, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Retiring from Wikipedia
I just wanted to let you know that I am retiring from Wikipedia effective this weekend. This is not to issues with policy, other users, or Wikipedia itself. My personal priorities have changed in the sense that I am now engaged to be married and preparing for a job-related exam that will take place in October.

Thank you for working with me during the Olympics projects. I appreciate it. Chris (talk) 14:30, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Chris, we will miss your efforts! You have done some great work for the Olympics project, but I wish you all the best in your real-life future!  ;)  — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 17:38, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Country data
Hi, Andrwsc, can you fix the link for all field hockey team from this Category:National field hockey teams in country data [nation]? Many link is become redirect since article had been moved by someone. Thanks! --Aleen f 1 11:10, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 17:37, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Undelete?
'01:01, 6 March 2007 Andrwsc (talk | contribs) deleted "List of Olympic sports" ‎ (unlikely redirect)'. That's actually precisely what I was looking for and still haven't found since you deleted probably the single most likely redirect. I'm not sure what sports-geeky name it is really under. I guess I'll have to start at Olympic Games and work from there... — SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ  Contribs. 18:13, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The target for that unused redirect was Olympic sports. Seems more obvious to search for that term by itself instead of also typing "List of ", I would think. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 18:25, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Template:Country data Putrajaya
Hi, I noticed you removed the flag image from Template:Country data Putrajaya (here) due to copyright issues. I'm not familiar with this stuff, but how can we remedy this problem (get a free-to-use image) so that the template can have a flag? - Yk (talk) 00:49, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The problem is that the flag of Putrajaya includes the coat-of-arms for Malaysia, and that is under copyright until 2013, as explained in commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Coat of arms of Malaysia.svg. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 16:46, 22 April 2011 (UTC)