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Andy... again?! after all this time? Riventree (talk) 23:49, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Bridge rail for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Bridge rail is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Rolls-Royce C Range Diesels
Hi Andy

You may remember some years ago (2015?) we had a conversation about the correct title for Rolls-Royce C type diesels - "Range" or "Series". I did mange to find a photo on the www of an RR engine makes plate. This shows that they are "C Range". You can find the photo on the following page: https://www.trms.org.au/rm_engine_frame.htm

Regards Bruce

Speedy deletion nomination of Internally riffled boiler tubes


A tag has been placed on Internally riffled boiler tubes requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section R3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a recently created redirect from an implausible typo or misnomer, or other unlikely search term.

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New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022
Hello , Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.

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New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023
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New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023
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Maersk Hangzhou has an RfC
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Balloon flange girder
re - I don't think the commons link is useful, since not every photo in this Commons category will show this type of girder. I would encourage you to create a new, more specific, Commons category there instead. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Russian destroyer Admiral Levchenko
Hi Andy. My apologies - I triggered the 3RR when removing the facebook sourced material and I rolled back my own edit after the summary got mangled. See my entry on the talk page. Springnuts (talk) 12:25, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * One could argue if this is currently 2RR or 5RR. But you're certainly edit-warring. All on an article where a 1RR restriction might too be argued as being in place. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, fair point. The original revert was of the IP edits when the status was changed to “on fire” and then the tense changed to “was a ship …”. I failed to notice that your edits were  more nuanced. Time will tell whether this news is true or not. Springnuts (talk) 13:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I’m not seeing any RS of anything at all actually having happened here - just a bare assertion picked up and repeated (and overlinked). Do you still feel that this is noteworthy? Springnuts (talk) 14:25, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Why would you expect any updates? Levchenko is still at sea (burning or not) and no-one outside will know until she's back to Severmorsk. At which point this uncertainty collapses to either confirming the fire, or giving a slant on fake Ukrainian propaganda (which isn't something they've used so far). But as yet, we don't know, and there's no change since the first news. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I minded to ask for a third-party opinion about whether this information should be in the article at the moment. Would you find that helpful? Springnuts (talk) 16:33, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Andy Dingley, you obviously feel very strongly that this should stay in the article: what do you think about a third opinion? Springnuts (talk) 15:53, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You would always be at liberty to seek one.
 * But your repeated deletions of this have argued it on the basis of inadequate sourcing, which is untrue. The sourcing needs two sources to be cited, the primary one from Pletenchuk and a competent secondary commentary on that. The Kyiv Independent is entirely adequate for that. We don't even need all the others that were added, they simply duplicate this.
 * We still don't know the state of the ship. Not that we can't reliably source a rumour, we just have no idea at all. There (AFAIK) has been no further comment made from either Ukraine or Russia. A lack of denial from Russia (even AFAIK on Russian Telegram) is surprising, if it's really unaffected or the fire was minor. But as yet, still we just don't know. Until we do know, we shouldn't make major changes to this content, in either way.
 * The point is that the Pletenchuk claim is still significant enough to belong here, whether it's true or false. It isn't even the first major Russian ship fire, but as a piece of black propaganda from Ukraine it would be exceptional if it turns out to be a false claim. Obviously a major edit would be needed, but only if it turns up soon without any fire damage!
 * If you think that the claim is false (which is pure WP:OR) then I wouldn't object if you added that. Once we have any indications one way or the other, we certainly should. But what we can't do is undo the statements that have happened so far. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

"Red Flag (nuclear weapon)" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Red_Flag_(nuclear_weapon)&redirect=no Red Flag (nuclear weapon)] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:04, 23 June 2024 (UTC)