User talk:Andy Dingley/Archive 2009 June

Mark I
The book I cited (The complete guide to tanks and armoured fighting vehicles) was written by George Forty and Jack Livesey. Its proper ISBN is ISBN 978-1-84681-110-4, and, as I stated on the talk page of Mark I, I'm having difficulty with the server of that page, and I cannot edit it properly. Thanks for sorting out the ref. Brutaldeluxe (talk) 01:56, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Is rivet a metalworking article or not?
I see that you reverted my removal of the metalworking template on the rivet talk page. I think I understand where you are coming from, in that solid rivets are worked when installed. However, I removed it because the article isn't in a metalworking category. I find it one of those articles that is hard to categorize as a metalworking article, because it's mainly a fastener article. If you still think it should be a metalworking article please give it a metalworking category. I'm on the fence, so I'll defer judgment to you. Wizard191 (talk) 21:29, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The crux of this is whether the "rivet" article covers rivets, or both rivets and riveting. "Riveting" is clearly a metalworking process. Now I can't see how sensible coverage can be given to one without the other, so I think we end up with an article, whatever its name and whatever its current coverage, where "rivet" finds itself into metalworking by inheritance.
 * Secondly, do people browsing the category "metalworking" expect to find "rivet" within it? I certainly would. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:54, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. I'll give it a metalworking category. Wizard191 (talk) 00:06, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Categorisation discussion
You might like to look at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_June_7. Globbet (talk) 11:38, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Tufnol
Hi Andy, you have reverted my re-linking in the Phenolic resin article. Please note: when you click on the wikilink Tufnol in the Ph. resin article, you are redirected —- back into the Ph resin article. So this link is pointless in the first place. However, when you click on the Novotext article also found in Ph resin you end up in an article that also covers Tufnol! This is the reason why I relinked. I do see your point that the Novotext article should probably be widened into some sort of "Fibre reinforced Phenolic resins" where all trade names are listed and explained. But still, the linking of Tufnol as it stands now is not helping at all. Do you have enough knowledge about these "Fibre reinforced Phenolic resins" to set up a new article and link Novotext, Tufnol etc into it? Would be great to have that covered... Cheers, Justsail (talk) 10:26, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Self-links don't help, but neither do they hurt. We have Mediawiki and big computers to work out this sort of stuff for us, it shouldn't be wasting the time of humans. OTOH, Tufnol is neither Bakelite nor cotton and it's distinctly wrong to merge content in a way that confuses this.
 * The prospective new article probably wants to be "Phenolic resin composites" or somesuch. Paper-reinforced phenolic boards (Paxolin) are also very important (PCB substrate for years and years) and ought to be included with them. Tufnol is also used as a barstock for further machining (especially gearwheels, as it has fairly good wear properties) and so "boards" would be a bit too narrow.
 * Sorry but I've no time to spend on any wiki editing. Nor do I really have much knowledge of these materials, beyond the maker's catalogue level. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:35, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Commons scans
Your scans from Ripper et al are lovely, and should find plenty of uses. As you know, I have already used one at Slide valve.

I am trying to work up the energy to do some SVG diagrams in the valves and valve gears area. I have done a declarative animation of a piston valve cylinder, and a slide valve one is nearly done. These can be uploaded and seen running from the image page with the right browser. There is a taster here:  But really I want Mediawiki to support scripted SVG animations, then I could really start cooking. I have already done one interactive valve gear animation in which you can alter the setting while it runs. Globbet (talk) 22:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Bristol Urban culture
Hi no probs with your revert. Previously it was a stand alone link to a wiki article. I should have noticed and wikified it as you have doen. Cheers. Jezhotwells (talk) 13:36, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

James Dyson
Category:Dyson products is a sub-category of Category:James Dyson and articles there should not also be categorized with the parent. Secondarywaltz (talk) 19:31, 25 June 2009 (UTC)