User talk:Andyvancleve


 * Note: Before I registered this account, I made a number of edits as .

Welcome
Greetings again! I'm glad you persevered.

I'll reply here, and I've watchlisted this page, so if it's easier for you, feel free to post any questions and comments here.

I've added a note at the top of this page, pointing out your earlier edit history. Feel free to delete it, if that's not what you had in mind. (However, it is not possible to change the actual edits so that they are directly attributed to this account, if that is what you wanted. Hopefully this will suffice.)

You might want to add a further comment to the note at the top, pointing out your typing trouble. (I can copy across your previous explanation, if you'd like me to).

On the Talk:Espalier page, I can change the heading and "signature" for that block of text, to attribute it to your new account, if you'd like. Just let me know, and I'll do so :)

Quick tips: If there is a single space at the beginning of a line, like in this one that will create the odd box around the text. I can fix them easily though, and will do so now.


 * The method for indenting text on talkpages, is to add colons to the beginning of the line. Like in this one.

Regarding passwords: your web-browser should be able to remember your password, so that once you have signed in, it automatically fills in the "log-in" page whenever needed. Let me know what web-browser you are using, if you'd like specific help with that.

I'll leave it at that for now. Just reply here, if you have any questions, or would like assistance with something else. -- Quiddity (talk) 00:26, 7 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I use Saffari on a iBook G4. I train espalier professionally and have a need to correct details where I find them. I will continue to add details and edit this one page. Andyvancleve (talk) 04:35, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I want to show pictures of insect control on espalier. I swathe the fruit in Remay (not sure of the spelling) after fruit set. Its another reason why espalier training like Horizontal T and step-over are so important in the modern organic garden. Should I show pictures on the espalier page or should it be somewhere else?Andyvancleve (talk) 14:12, 9 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I tried to add a picture to Rosa damascena. I screwed up somehow. I downloaded a photo; file name: rosa_damascena_trigintipetala.jpg Its a picture of Rosa damascena trigintipetala. Its the main source of attar of roses in the world today. Andyvancleve (talk) 06:15, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Lilac walks
I am trying to start an article on Lilac walks. As a number of these exist around the country in Arboretums and Botanical Gardens pictures are not a problem. I first heard the term used by Father John Fialla who wrote "Lilacs" published by Timber Press so I'll be able to use that book for references but I would like to invite you'all to help out if you can. Andyvancleve (talk) 05:02, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I've copied this comment over to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Horticulture and Gardening, where more people will be likely to see it.
 * Also, I'll try to upload those images you emailed, later today or tomorrow. :) -- Quiddity (talk) 19:41, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Andy. I saw Quiddity's post, and I'm interested in the subject. I'll be happy to help. Please feel free to get in touch with me at my user-talk if you have any questions for me. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:13, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Writers block.Andyvancleve (talk) 22:21, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * A suggestion, if you aren't sure what to write next: Do some search engine searches for the term "lilac walk", in particular, Google News (archive search), Google Books, and Google Scholar. You'll need to find sources anyway, and this may bring up some more things to include. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:53, 19 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure I know what I want to write. I knew father Fiala when he was alive and think that his definition of a Lilac Walk should prevail as his book is probably the best existing authority on the subject. But knowing what I want to write and actually writing it down are two different things. If I do it right we may get input from members of the ILS (International Lilac Society), Arnold Arboretum etc. which would be cool. If I do it wrong they may boycott the thing and what ends up being written down may end up being less than it could be.Andyvancleve (talk) 20:06, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Since you are relatively new, I figure that I should point out (per WP:OR and WP:V) that the ILS etc. information will have to be published material that can be referenced. If you need any help, please feel free to leave a message on my talk page. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:10, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I understand the constraints of wikipedia. The problem that I have seen is people who have no personal experience referring to published material, and misrepresenting what was written because they really didn't understand what was written.Andyvancleve (talk) 20:24, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Images
How do I insert a picture. I thought I would insert a picture or two from my own web page espalier section. Andyvancleve (talk) 04:42, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


 * In order to use images in Wikipedia, they need to be uploaded to here, first.
 * To upload:
 * 1) click Special:Upload,
 * 2) click "Browse:" and select the source image on your own computer's harddrive,
 * 3) check that the "Destination filename:" is descriptive (not just something like "01000.jpg"),
 * 4) click the "Licensing:" dropdown, and select 1 of the 5 "Your own work:" licenses. (I recommend the "Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0" option)
 * 5) click "upload file".
 * Then, you can place the new image in an article, with code like this:
 * EXAMPLE.jpg
 * Change the example filename and caption, but leave the word "thumb" in there between the pipes (|).


 * Let me know if any of those steps is badly explained! I need more coffee... :) -- Quiddity (talk) 18:12, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


 * In case I really screw up downloading a picture file let me say here that I never mind people using my pictures as long as they give either me or my web site credit in a footnote. Like in an essay at school we were always required to add a footnote at the bottom of the page and a bibliography at the end.Andyvancleve (talk) 21:37, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


 * If having a long-form description would help, there's a chapter from the printed "The Missing Manual" book, at Help:Wikipedia: The Missing Manual/Formatting and Illustrating Articles/Adding Images.
 * (It explains how to add images to our sisterproject, Wikimedia Commons. If images are located there, they become available to all our other sisterprojects, such as foreign language Wikipedias, Wikiversity, etc). However, any pictures that are uploaded here with a suitable free license, are eventually copied across to Commons automatically, hence I didn't try to explain this initially!)


 * Or, if that all seems too complicated or painful, then I could try to do it for you, by either copying an image from your website (which I've been looking at), or if you have higher resolution versions available then you could email them to me. Let me know which you'd prefer; However, I do encourage you give it a go yourself, so that you can upload pictures at your own pace in the future, without having to rely on me :) -- Quiddity (talk) 03:28, 9 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I have downloaded another picture, showing belgian fence in training this time. I was going to use one of my other shots but it wouldn't download, probably because it was larger than 1 meg. Andyvancleve (talk) 05:10, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


 * If you wouldn't mind sending me an email I will try sending a better shot or two with higher resolutions.Andyvancleve (talk) 05:13, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sent :) -- Quiddity (talk) 05:31, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Rose
I tried to edit the rose page where they refer to "bloom only on two-year-old canes" should be changed to say that old garden roses generally bloom on old wood (that growth created in the previous year). Saying two year old wood suggests something entirely different. Andyvancleve (talk) 05:21, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I'm not sure why you had problems there. Did you see a banner that says "This page is currently semi-protected and can be edited only by established registered users." ?
 * Or was there a message saying something about an "edit conflict" ? -- Quiddity (talk) 18:12, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I did see the banner, but went on to find out what a registered user is. It seems to indicate that I will become a registered user soon. It was interesting the way I was allowed to edit up until I saved the page, then the screen froze and I had  to shut off my browser to get out. Andyvancleve (talk) 14:04, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Baffling! I tried to bypass the whole "autoconfirmed user" thing for you, but apparently it didn't work properly. Sorry about that.
 * If you still wish to make a change to the Rose page, you can either request it at the talkpage there, or tell me which specific sentence to change, or wait until you're autoconfirmed (just a few more edits, I think). -- Quiddity (talk) 19:42, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Stepover espalier photo
For the picture I downloaded from my website, I just had to take a break at that moment. I cant sit or stand for more than ten minutes at a time without changing position. I can walk or lie down for unlimited amounts of time but that doesn't really help with operating a computer. I have been working on my own web site since 1991, as you can see its extensive but it took a long time to create. Now I have to figure out how to open that picture in the espalier section. Please feel free to do it yourself. You can see the successive lines of espalier in the picture with step-over in front, belgian fence immediately behind, horizontal T behind that. When training espalier I initially cut the trees back to the 15 inch high wire in spring of the first year. Some trees wont develop a central stem so I train them to step-over or belgian fence. Some form the upright stem and branches just fine so those I train to Horizontal T. I don't currently train any trees to cordon so I wont have any pictures of Drapeau Marchand or Arcure at this time. Maybe next year.Andyvancleve (talk) 14:04, 9 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm glad that worked!
 * I've added and fixed a few details at File:01002stepoverbig.jpg, and added a http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ license to it, per our above discussion.
 * To add the picture to any article, you just need to add this text:


 * I've gone ahead and added it to the section Espalier, with a possibly-accurate caption. Feel free to move it around, or amend the caption. :)


 * For future reference: If you ever photograph a new/better image of the same thing, that you want to use instead of the original image, it is easy to "Upload a new version of this file" with the link at the bottom of that page, which will replace the old version in all instances.


 * Quick note: You don't need to add the ~ to your edit summaries (it's just needed in discussions). Apart from that, you're doing everything great! As always, let me know here if I can be of further help. -- Quiddity (talk) 19:42, 9 October 2010 (UTC)


 * You have been a great help. Without you I probably would have abandoned this project or at least gone on vacation from it for a while. I should probably download a picture of a Belgian Fence that I started in 1991. I am still not sure what I should do. Andyvancleve (talk) 04:31, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Belgian fence images
I've uploaded the images that you sent me. Sorry that took so long. They are at: As I said before, I'm not experienced in the topic, so I'll leave it to you to decide where in the encyclopedia they should be placed. HTH. -- Quiddity (talk) 21:11, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * File:Espalier belgianfence icestorm 121208.jpg
 * File:Espalier Belgian Fence Winter2000.jpg
 * File:Espalier Belgian Fence January.jpg

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