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Articles for deletion/Fake color articles
Because of the complexity of the vote at the above AfD, I have attempted to break down the individual votes on the AfD talk page. If I have misunderstood your vote with respect to any of these, please correct it. Cheers! -- BD2412 talk 12:54, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Color AfD's
Hi. The mass of colors we voted on before has been undeleted and relisted as individual AfD's. Cheers! -- BD2412 talk 01:13, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

John Nelson (convert)
Anetode, I have no problem with your point (i.e. considered) and have given reasons for changing my vote on this from delete to keep. The point I have been trying to make is that there is no scholarship or research on the existence of John Nelson. He may or may not have existed. All that is known of him is that he is mentioned in passing in a 16th century work that compiled supposed eyewitness accounts in Tripoli. Based on that work, serious and reputable scholars have cited him as an early or first known British convert to islam (and this has been relayed by the BBC and other media outlets). However, to my knowledge, the veracity of the original account has not been examined (and would be extremely difficult to verify). I raise these points because the history of travel literature, going back to Marco Polo, Mandeville or even the Greeks is rife with exaggeration or even fiction designed to appeal to readers in a sensationalistic fashion. Accounts of enslaved British sailors were bestsellers from at least the 17th century. Like Shakespeare's plays, they can not always be relied on as historical sources. --JJay 22:02, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Point well taken. Would you object to "According to Richard Hakluyt's The voyage made to Tripolis, John Nelson was the first English convert to Islam." under a ==Trivia== heading? --Anetode 22:18, 19 October 2005 (UTC)


 * That's fine, "considered" is fine too. The source, as with everything on the wiki, naturally should be cited. It would be interesting to find out more about Nelson and possible earlier converts. --JJay 23:02, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Yellow hard hat
No, the image was not appropriately licensesd. A "free" image on Wikipedia is not one that Wikipedia has been allowed to use, but one that Wikipedia is allow to distribute freely, so that it can be used for any purpose. The license on that image was restrictive, prohibiting re-sale and use for certain purposes. It would be very helpful if he agreed to license it under the GFDL, but then he'd effectively be giving up the restrictions he explicitly placed on it, so it seems unlikely to happen. ed g2s &bull;  talk  13:40, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Video Game Screens
Where is it safe to get video games screens like that Xbox 360 thumbnail set you did? I dont want to break copyright laws and such. Taladar 09:21, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Videogame screenshots are usually the copyrighted property of the game distributer/developer, meaning that any gaming website (IGN, Gamespot, etc.) which uses screenshots is asserting fair use. It is, as far as I understand, acceptable to borrow these screenshots and upload them to Wikipedia, provided that you obey the rules stated on the image tag Template:game-screenshot. --Anetode 09:35, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks I tried it out and made a similar PS3 screenshot gallery I think I got it to work right. Taladar 13:45, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Tourettes guy
Hi Anetode. Further to Howcheng's suggestion and your subsequent comment at Articles for deletion/Tourette's Guy, I've also tagged Tourettes guy for deletion - just thought I'd let you know in case you wanted to vote there too... Regards, CLW 16:12, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Re: RSoD
Consensus? What consensus? Who? The page survived Votes_for_deletion/Red_screen_of_death and in Talk:Red_screen_of_death nothing of consensus. --Mateusc 00:43, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Please look over the votes at Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Red_screen_of_death: six people suggested a merge. On the RSoD talk page, three people suggested a merge. Please add your opinion to the RSoD talk page before you begin reverting and posting accusations. --anetode¹ ² ³ 00:46, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * The page survived on vfd. No {merged} tag was placed in the article, only today you invoked with this. I advise that you nominates the article for VDF/merge again. Your attitude is based on Xbox 360 screen of death and the creation of the article and not in the RSoD article existence. --Mateusc 00:53, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * The VFD was closed with: "The result of the debate was keep or merge, but not delete. Discussion of whether to keep or merge is for the talkpage. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:54, 16 August 2005 (UTC)" Also, there is no formalized vote process for mergers (unlike deletions), lets discuss this at the relevant talk pages. --anetode¹ ² ³ 00:56, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

- By the jokes, I hope you respect the community and not commit impulse merges again. Because I will revert -again- until all the processes of consensus in the Wikipedia are finished. --Mateusc 11:16, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Don't launch these empty platitudes at me, *you* do not represent the entire Wikipedia community. Further, the merges were made as good faith efforts to improve the coverage of the SoD topic, and the decision behind proceeding with them was made with consideration of talk page discussions. You did not offer any objections to the mergers proposed on these talk pages before I acted, am I supposed to somehow read your mind? Also, your threats of an edit war are absolutely pointless, I've stated multiple times that I have no intent in getting involved in some childish revert-battle. --anetode¹ ² ³ 21:28, 7 November 2005 (UTC)


 * This is apparently going to have to come to a vote, which I fear will then be followed by a violent edit war. You know of anyone else who'd be willing to help out with this mess? --InShaneee 17:58, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I posted a link to the dispute on the videogame wikiproject, and Mateusc posted one at WP:3O. Hopefully these will attract a level-headed mediator. --anetode¹ ² ³ 23:12, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Speaking of a mediator, I'm going to see what I can do as far as mediating goes. Can you come and comment at Talk:Blue screen of death? - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 23:55, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Kameo:_Elements_of_Power
Sorry but you can not replace the Boxart of a videogame for another image in the infobox. See WikiProject_Computer_and_video_games for more details. (Or see many videogames articles around...) --Mateusc 11:50, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, the image I placed in the infobox is the box art. It is an official rendition of the cover art that was released for free use in a fansite kit (http://kameo.com/RoyalFun/FansiteSupport). Please examine Image:Kameo_boxart.jpg vs. Image:Kameo_cover.jpg. --anetode

GMA Films
Presumably, 202.65.191.134's deletions were done to respond to my point that the article, as he/she previously had it, was too much company propaganda. With the deletions, the article actually reads more NPOV and better, I think. Your mileage may vary, of course. --Nlu 09:32, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Good Faith
Trust me. I don't have nothing against you, nothing personal. I'm the uploader of toons of others boxsheets including games with Fansite Kit (Dungeon Siege II/Dungeon Siege). I think that in terms of source you are right. But it's bad see specifications and standards of a project (WPCVG) start fall in days. I think that we must hear all the WPCVG community before starting replace all covers that exist fankit/source images. Thanks. --Mateusc 17:00, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry afterall for all incovenience. I will leave for community decide this. --Mateusc 18:37, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

4.242.*.*
Who knows... I don't really try to analyze their motivations. -- Curps 07:04, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for supporting me for adminship. The RfA passed today. I look forward to working with you to make Wikipedia a better place. --Nlu 05:46, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the revert
Thanks for reverting the 'accusations' on my talk page; Jeff returns periodically avoiding his permanent block, pretending to be someone else while trying to embellish his page with what he considers flattering information. Unfortunately he acts in such a recognizable way the regular editors of his bio page recognize these edits with ease for what they are. --MJ( &#x260E; 18:39, 19 November 2005 (UTC).
 * It was my pleasure, such underhanded attempts to circumvent user blocks do little to reinforce his cause. Good luck in dealing with him in the future. --anetode╔╝ 05:51, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Scientology page additions
All of my additions to the to part of the Scientoloy page are veritable. I feel it is inappropriate for you to delete my additions that L Ron Hubbard was an Explorer's Club member and movie script writer among other veritable addition relevant to the topic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.22.52.165 (talk • contribs)
 * Your "additions" were made at the expense of deleting portions of the article that discussed criticism of scientology. The deletion of whole sections of the article, and the unilateral and dubious nature of your pro-Scientology additions make your motives suspect. Wikipedia is not a propaganda machine. --anetode╟╦╢ 11:05, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

My apologies for the deletion fo crical secitions of Scientology in the article. Thank you for re=posting my additions to the article. You have to understand that the whole "Xenu" section has nothing to do with Scientology or any Scientologist. Except in that it is an alleged incedent that is meant to be addressed throught counselling at a certain point on what is known as "the Bridge". It is totally irrelevent to the doctrines and fundamental beliefs of Scientology and is not a belief of any scientologist or the "huge secret" Scientology's critics make it out to be, in an attempt to make Scientology look like a foolish belief system in aliens. I personally find such a post as this "Xenu" section offensive and irrelevant to the subjuect of Scientology as a Religion, which is what this page is supposed to be. This is my viewpoint on the matter, and I do appreciate your actions in attempting to be a fair arbitrator of this Wikipedia page. But to make a comparison, if I posted a section on the Christianity Wikipedia page that described at length the Essene Gospel scripture (which may or may not be fabricated or altered much like the Xenu story) that describes Jeses having sex with a young boy, I'm sure it would be looked at as religious bigotry and too irrelevant to the subject of Christianity as a religion to be posted on the page.

My opinion may not be popular, since I have seen few postings to the Scientology page that are not done by critics of Scientology or ex-Scientologists, but only ask you to consider my opinion and to do what you percieve as just as an arbitrator to the Scientology Wikipedia page. Once again, I do appreicate you reposting my veritable comments about L Ron Hubbard's other professions, and I do not wish to sound antagonistic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.22.52.165 (talk • contribs)
 * I am not an arbitrator, nor any sort of protector of the page. I will, however, revert any vandalism, including contributions that try to delete cited info or attempt to obfuscate articles. If you have a qualm with the Xenu section, or any other part of the Scientology article, please discuss it at Talk:Scientology. On a side note, the Essene Gospel was not Christian scripture, but a hoax perpetrated by Edmund B. Szekeley, who attributed it to the Essenes, a Judaic sect. This "gospel" is not irrelevant, but it is also not verifiable. --anetode╟╦╢ 11:44, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

GraemeL's RFA
Hi Anetode, I am now an administrator and would like to thank you for your support on my RfA. I was very surprised at the number of votes and amount of and kind comments that I gathered. Please don't hesitate to contact me if I mess up in the use of my new powers. All hail Discordia! --GraemeL (talk) 15:22, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Please help save article RuneScape cheats
I have appreciated your help with stopping vandals very much. Jagex employees are now pushing for an official delete of the article. Please comment on the talk page so it isn't destroyed.Jonathan888 (talk) 15:20, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Ken Kutaragi
I'm requesting your opnion about this dispute. Lot of POV-Pushing, the article is currently blocked. --GroundZero 21:02, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Alkhemi and Aladin
Hi, back in October05 you participated in the deletion-discussion about a company called Alkhemi, which was subsequently deleted with your vote. Now the same deletion question is posed for another article about the man behind Alkhemi, a magician who calls himself Aladin. Despite being a truly bad article (extremely biased, outrages claims are made, and the sources used to back up those claims consist largely out of tiny newspaper snippets that are blown up out of proportion to make the subject sound like the second coming of the christ), the vote is so far flooded with "keep" votes, which might be because of dozens of sockpuppets, so I'd like to invite you to add your vote about this matter to tip the balance. The vote is here. Thank you :-) Peter S. 21:07, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

David L Cook Article
Anetode, we would like to thank you for your help with the David L cook article. we were having a great deal of trouble with Wikipediatrix. She was surely not an easy individual to deal with. We finally got to the point where we just allowed her to write the article how she wanted it and we did the revisions we felt were waranted. You were a diplomat during that and we just wanted to thank you for your help and understanding. --iamascorp 5:28, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Copyright problems with Image:YamahaBassGuitar.jpg
An image that you uploaded, Image:YamahaBassGuitar.jpg, has been listed at Copyright problems because it is a suspected copyright violation. Please look there if you know that the image is legally usable on Wikipedia (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), and then provide the necessary information there and on its page, if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. --Sherool (talk) 03:31, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup
I have assigned the taskforce item Cleanup Taskforce/Spore to your desk for copy editing and a general tune-up. Thanks.  haz  (user talk) e

Xbox 360 pic
Hey it's Delta Elite, I'd like to upload my pic of the 360 breaking down, but i just got this account and honestly, don't know how to do that. If you could help me, that would be great. Thanks. Delta Elite 22:39, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

pic @ Bill Gates
Thanks for sorting that - the vandal placed a double edit which I missed :-( Agathoclea 17:28, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

OneUp Studios
I recently created an article about OneUp Studios that was shut down. I re-opened with out realizing that I got a message saying why it was shut down. I apologize for that. But I do have a few questions about it. The reason for shutting it down was, and I quote,

"We welcome and appreciate your contributions, such as OneUp Studios, but we regretfully cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from either web sites or printed material. This article appears to be a direct copy from http://www.oneupstudios.com/faq.php. As a copyright violation, OneUp Studios appears to qualify for speedy deletion under the speedy deletion criteria. OneUp Studios has been tagged for deletion, and may have been deleted by the time you see this message. If the source is a credible one, please consider rewriting the content and citing the source.

Now I am not completely familiar with the rules here I Wikipedia but I know that the part that was a direct copies title was, "An Excerpt From OneUp Studios FAQs." If you noticed that and it was not an acceptable then I apologize again. If so than how would you like me to cite it, in bibliography form?

Also, you said, "Note also that Wikipedia is not a proper place to publicize a business as articles have to meet certain notability guidelines." I do not understand that either. I am in no was affiliated with OneUp Studios beyond being I member of their forum. My purpose of creating this was not to advertise them, but have an easy to reach database of information of them.

Kcirtap1990 02:15, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

 "Simply put, if you quote a significant chunk of text that was written by somone other than yourself and used in a commercial venture, you're violating copyright. Wikipedia is not a forum but a publication, one that requires that all the text contained within be original. Now you can link to the FAQ, even summarize what questions are addressed in the FAQ, but you can't just reprint it verbatim. 

''As for the "publicize" comment, there are some standards of notability (fame or infamy) that the potential subject of an article must possess. Your article might still be deleted, or nominated for deletion, unless you can provide evidence that the OneUps satisfy one of several specific eligibility requirements. Otherwise, as you might imagine, every garage band and kid with a turntable might put up an article about their band, and Wikipedia is not MySpace.''

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I read through the Music - Notability page. OneUp Studios meets more than one of the eiligibility requirments. I am now taking notes from the OneUp Studios FAQs and turning it into a short article. They have been...


 * Has been featured in multiple non-trivial published works in reliable and reputable media (excludes things like school newspapers, personal blogs, etc...).
 * Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or the local scene of a city (or both, as in British hip hop); note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.

The second one I am not as sure about. They are quite big in Fayetteville, Arkansas, and even bigger in the Video Game music community in the United States. They may apply to more than those two. Also, my wikipedia that I was trying to make is not only about the band, The OneUps, it is about all of OneUp Studios.

Kcirtap1990 11:07, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

re: the Dianetics introduction
your edit summary states: "Anetode (Talk | contribs) (reworded part of the lead sentense. it's important to mention the diagnosis of mental problems as hubbard's methodology differs from modern psychology)" And I want to say, the introduction of that article has been a main discussion for some while on its discussion page. Dianetics is not "mental therapy" though Hubbard's early (1950's) presentation of it, with the "patient" on a couch, much resembled mental therapy at the time. But even in those days Hubbard preferred the term "therapy" to "mental therapy" and it isn't presented as a "mental therapy." Today the Dianetics website ] doesn't present it as a therapy at all. Please feel completely free to introduce the concepts of the differences, please feel completely free to edit the article to suit your understanding of "Dianetics" but please discuss changes to the introduction on Talk:Dianetics because it has been a major point of contention for a long time. Thank you. Terryeo 11:15, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Hubbard's semantic posturing is largely irrelevant. As I noted on the talk page, what matters most is providing unbiased coverage of what Dianetics is perceived as. It is currently viewed as a type of therapy, albeit a controversial and largely discredited one. My edit elaborated on this by stating that Dianetics is a "method of diagnosis and treatment of psychological problems". Whatever Dianetics is presented as in Scientology, it still serves the same function. ˉˉanetode╞┬╡ 00:15, 9 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I appreciate that you said so, Anetode. I'm not sure how to approach the subject with you because the Dianetics website says nothing at all about "diagnosis" nor does it mention "treatment" nor "psychologogical problems" and so I'm at a loss of what the entry point of communication with you would be. Are you saying that Dianetics does some diagnosis but calls it a different word, or some kind of treatment but calls it a different term, or some sort of clarification, analysis or codification of psychological problems but calls them by different terms?  Or are you saying instead that Dianetics is viewed that way, no manner what wordage Hubbard used? Terryeo 00:24, 9 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'm glad I understand too. What Diagnosis does Dianetics do? I actually don't know of any, nor any treatment of psychological problems based on such diagnosis.  If there is a primary source on this, then it should probably be included in the introduction of the Dianetics article. Terryeo 00:31, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

You stated about this introduction, stated to me, "As I noted on the talk page, what matters most is providing unbiased coverage of what Dianetics is perceived as" and I want you to understand that is not how Wikipedia suggests articles be introduced. I'm going to do my best to introduce the subject. After that of course, anyone is free to post any controvery or point of view they can support, but the subject needs an introduction of what it is, not how it is perceived to exist.Terryeo 02:31, 12 April 2006 (UTC)


 * It would hardly be encyclopedic to introduce Dianetics as "a dubious therapy" because "dubious" is an evaluation. Better, don't you think, to introduce Dianetics, more or less as its website introduces it, monitored by the experience and viewpoint of many editors.  And then, after its introduction, present by verifications and publications, its "dubious" (or any other) nature? Terryeo 03:02, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Your post on my page, "pissing in the wind" kind of sounds like a second dismissal. My point is that Dianetics should be introduced.Terryeo 03:10, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

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